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Posted 15 July 2014 - 10:57 AM

So a lot has been said over time and in particular recently about Darcy Regier's infatuation with small skill players.  I for one think this line of thinking is invalid.  I will preset to you all the players taken in rounds 1-3 from 1998-2013 and let you be the judge.

Risto, Zadorov, Compher, Hurley, Bailey, Baptiste, Grigs, Girgs, McCabe, Kea, Armia, Catenacci, Pysyk, JGL, Sundher, MacKenzie, Kassian, McNabb, Myers, Ennis, Adam, Fienhage, Brennan, Scheistel, Tropp, Persson, Enroth, Weber, Zagrapan, Gogulla, MAG, Stafford, Funk, Sekera, Vanek, Fabry, MacArthur, Ballard, Paille, Tessier, Adams, Novotny, Roy, Thorburn, Pomminstein, Kryukov, Dicaire, Heisten, Bartovic, Janik, Zigomanis, Preston, Kalinin, Peters, Milley, Kristek, Pandolfo

Please lets not revisit why the Sabres were good from 06-08.  It was a small window where the NHL decided to enforce all their rules and the Sabres has benefitted from having a speedy team.  Darcy did not have the premonition to build a team knowing they would enforce the rules as they did, he lucked into it.

Edited by inkman, 15 July 2014 - 10:58 AM.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 10:59 AM

I think Darcy was just really bad at drafting.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:04 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 15 July 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

I think Darcy was just really bad at drafting.
Darcy...bad...Fire..bad....Murray...good.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:11 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 15 July 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

I think Darcy was just really bad at drafting.
Picking in the teens every year really lowers the chance for success.  I by no means think he was a great drafter but I'm unsure how different he is from most GM's.

Edited by inkman, 15 July 2014 - 11:12 AM.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:12 AM

View PostPromoTheRobot, on 15 July 2014 - 11:04 AM, said:

Darcy...bad...Fire..bad....Murray...good.

But, Fire Darcy... good. Proof that two bads (or wrongs) make a good (right).

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:36 AM

I get sick of hearing Darcy 'lucked into it'. Guess what, every team that is successful benefitted by luck at some point. Can't the guy get some credit?

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:39 AM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 15 July 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

I get sick of hearing Darcy 'lucked into it'. Guess what, every team that is successful benefitted by luck at some point. Can't the guy get some credit?

burn him.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:39 AM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 15 July 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

I get sick of hearing Darcy 'lucked into it'. Guess what, every team that is successful benefitted by luck at some point. Can't the guy get some credit?

His ineptitude post-2006 is how we can almost guarantee that the success of the Sabres post lockout could not have been his design. He lucked into it. It's not a theory, it's the truth.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:41 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 15 July 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

I think Darcy was just really bad at drafting.

Darcy  was a very good drafter from the perspective of finding NHL players.


drafting
http://nhlnumbers.co...ing-for-success

Finding elite talent. Who knows. Keep in mind that 2013 was Darcy's draft too.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:42 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 15 July 2014 - 11:39 AM, said:

His ineptitude post-2006 is how we can almost guarantee that the success of the Sabres post lockout could not have been his design. He lucked into it. It's not a theory, it's the truth.

You could have just said 'no'. But I know that doesn't fit the 'Darcy sucks' narrative. Your 'truth' might hold water if speed wasn't the trend pre-lockout.

Edited by JJFIVEOH, 15 July 2014 - 11:43 AM.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:45 AM

Darcy could find P*ssy easier than the 7th fleet on a weekend pass in Thailand........

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:47 AM

My 2 cents: He failed at providing the final piece of that puzzle called "team".

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:50 AM

View PostSpndnchz, on 15 July 2014 - 11:47 AM, said:

My 2 cents: He failed at providing the final piece of that puzzle called "team".

That I can agree with. But I don't think he walked into a successful team.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:50 AM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 15 July 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

I get sick of hearing Darcy 'lucked into it'. Guess what, every team that is successful benefitted by luck at some point. Can't the guy get some credit?

What was so succesful about that team? They didn't win anything. Didn't even make the finals.

The '07 team even struggled to put away a most average Rangers team, and were 7 seconds away from playing an elimination game against them, at Madison Square Garden.

Sure, they were fun as heck to watch compared to what've seen pretty much ever since, but I don't for one second buy that we would've just walked over the Oilers in the final, had we not lost our entire D to injury.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:52 AM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 15 July 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

Darcy could find P*ssy easier than the 7th fleet on a weekend pass in Thailand........

Zemgus, Risto, Nikita, Compher, McCabe.....Babtiste, Kea, Kassian McNabb, Foligno.....all Darcy draft boys.

Before we start giving Murray credit.



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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:52 AM

And like Inkman pointed out, the small player label might be just a myth. Some blame needs to be put on the coach as to why some of these sizeable players didn't always play big.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:55 AM

View PostX. Benedict, on 15 July 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

Darcy  was a very good drafter from the perspective of finding NHL players.


drafting
http://nhlnumbers.co...ing-for-success

Finding elite talent. Who knows. Keep in mind that 2013 was Darcy's draft too.

This chart pretty much says: "It's all about the Elite Talent."

View PostX. Benedict, on 15 July 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

Zemgus, Risto, Nikita, Compher, McCabe.....Babtiste, Kea, Kassian McNabb, Foligno.....all Darcy draft boys.

Before we start giving Murray credit.

Woah. Pump the breaks there buddy,,,Murray hasn't had any of these boys extradited to Siberia and killed in a gypsum mine "accident".

Which I believe to be his default method of freeing up contract slots for new prospects.

For that alone, I think he deserves more credit than Darcy.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:57 AM

View PostKristian, on 15 July 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

What was so succesful about that team? They didn't win anything. Didn't even make the finals.

The '07 team even struggled to put away a most average Rangers team, and were 7 seconds away from playing an elimination game against them, at Madison Square Garden.

Sure, they were fun as heck to watch compared to what've seen pretty much ever since, but I don't for one second buy that we would've just walked over the Oilers in the final, had we not lost our entire D to injury.

President's trophy....... Consecutive conference final appearances....... I can think of about 28 teams that would have loved to have been in that situation.

The Kings were one period away from being eliminated in the first round this year, that must mean they're not successful either.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:01 PM

View PostGlass Case Of Emotion, on 15 July 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:



This chart pretty much says: "It's all about the Elite Talent."



Woah. Pump the breaks there buddy,,,Murray hasn't had any of these boys extradited to Siberia and killed in a gypsum mine "accident".

Which I believe to be his default method of freeing up contract slots for new prospects.

For that alone, I think he deserves more credit than Darcy.

we are talking draft right?

Were they Darcy/Devine draft picks or not?

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:02 PM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 15 July 2014 - 11:57 AM, said:

President's trophy....... Consecutive conference final appearances....... I can think of about 28 teams that would have loved to have been in that situation.

The Kings were one period away from being eliminated in the first round this year, that must mean they're not successful either.

After playing Alamo hockey against the Sens in 06, and being clobbered by them next season, I really don't see what's to be all excited about?

Would that be the same Kings who have two cups now?

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:07 PM

Who turned back the clock?
Holy ###### déjà vu Inkman!

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:07 PM

View PostKristian, on 15 July 2014 - 12:02 PM, said:

After playing Alamo hockey against the Sens in 06, and being clobbered by them next season, I really don't see what's to be all excited about?

Would that be the same Kings who have two cups now?

Yup, that would be the same Kings. You proved my point. It ain't always pretty, but they did it. I don't see you saying the Kings aren't successful because they almost lost the first round. You're just taking away from the Sabres success in those two years in a poor attempt to trash Darcy.......... Stop grasping at straws.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:11 PM

I think we can give Darcy credit for some things without wishing him back.



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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:15 PM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 15 July 2014 - 12:07 PM, said:

Yup, that would be the same Kings. You proved my point. It ain't always pretty, but they did it. I don't see you saying the Kings aren't successful because they almost lost the first round. You're just taking away from the Sabres success in those two years in a poor attempt to trash Darcy.......... Stop grasping at straws.

Mentionning a team capable of winning the Stanley Cup twice in three years in the same sentence as a team that made the ECF twice in a row? Really?

I don't need to trash Darcy. The man is gone. I don't care.

I just don't see the love for the post-lockout team. The rules were in their favor. The deeper the playoffs went on in 06, the more that team struggled, as the refs swallowed their whistles. Same thing in 07. It's not exactly rocket science.

They were wildly entertaining, but the ´75 and ´99 teams came a damn sight closer to winning anything than the 06-07 teams.

Fact.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:18 PM

View PostX. Benedict, on 15 July 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

Zemgus, Risto, Nikita, Compher, McCabe.....Babtiste, Kea, Kassian McNabb, Foligno.....all Darcy draft boys.

Before we start giving Murray credit.

I think some (much?) of the recent draft success has to do with the rehiring of scouts and perhaps the promotion of Devine to AGM three years ago.

To me, one of Darcy's biggest shortcomings was he was absolutely abysmal at dealing with player contracts.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:18 PM

View PostX. Benedict, on 15 July 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

I think we can give Darcy credit for some things without wishing him back.

Certainly.

He made some very good trades in his tenure here.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:19 PM

Darcy's teams pretty much soured me on Sabres hockey for the last 5 years. Really never much to get excited about. Just couldn't get into the club he had built after the runs in 2005 and 2006

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:24 PM

View PostKristian, on 15 July 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

Mentionning a team capable of winning the Stanley Cup twice in three years in the same sentence as a team that made the ECF twice in a row? Really?
That's not even remotely close to the point I was making. You're downplaying the Sabres success those two years by saying one of those series wasn't dominant enough for you to be satisfied. Using YOUR logic, the Kings must not be good either because they thoroughly got their ###### kicked most of that seies.

View PostKristian, on 15 July 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

I don't need to trash Darcy. The man is gone. I don't care.
I can tell by your posts. :P

View PostKristian, on 15 July 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

I just don't see the love for the post-lockout team. The rules were in their favor. The deeper the playoffs went on in 06, the more that team struggled, as the refs swallowed their whistles. Same thing in 07. It's not exactly rocket science.
I just don't see the hate. It's a typical excuse used by the haters. Any reasonable person would give Darcy some kind of credit. He was building a speedy team as speed was the trend BEFORE the lockout. Most teams were doing the same thing. Stop coming up with lame reasons to downplay anything he did.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:49 PM

When the Isles 1st next year turns into one half of McEichel, then I'm prepared to erect the DR statue downtown.  At this point I'm prepared to give DR credit for a few deep playoff runs and many, many years of running on the treadmill of mediocrity.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:53 PM

View PostKristian, on 15 July 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:



Mentionning a team capable of winning the Stanley Cup twice in three years in the same sentence as a team that made the ECF twice in a row? Really?

I don't need to trash Darcy. The man is gone. I don't care.

I just don't see the love for the post-lockout team. The rules were in their favor. The deeper the playoffs went on in 06, the more that team struggled, as the refs swallowed their whistles. Same thing in 07. It's not exactly rocket science.

They were wildly entertaining, but the ´75 and ´99 teams came a damn sight closer to winning anything than the 06-07 teams.

Fact.
Those '70-'75 Sabres HAD NEVER WON IN FILLY.  How was that team, that needed to find a way to win at minimum 1 there, and, considering they lost game 6 at home, realistically needed to win 2 in Filly 'a damn sight closer to winning' than the '06 Sabres that were less than 20 minutes away from facing the 8th place Eulers?

The Canes didn't lose a single player to injury on their way to the finals.  Every player that was available to them on April 22, 2006 was still available when the finals started on June 5.  The Sabres were down 4 D & Connolly.  The Canes had an astounding amount of luck that year and were down to the Sabres in the 3rd period of Game 7.

That Sabres team was closer to hoisting the Chalice than Gilbert's squad.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:55 PM

View PostX. Benedict, on 15 July 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

I think we can give Darcy credit for some things without wishing him back.

Completely reasonable.

Which is not what this thread is trying to be.

We've discussed every point brought up so far ad nauseum at some time or another.  Darcy's drafting was well above average; according to some analysts it was near the top of the league.  Not making the finals and not skating over Edmonton to the Cup was due to a disastrous string of fluky injuries.  The '06-'08 team was goodgreat and well-coached by Lindy Ruff, but its downfall was the fault of tight purse strings and whatever the ###### Larry Quinn was doing.  Efforts to remain competitive after the departure of Drury, Briere, and Campbell stalled with Connolly injuries, as Regier relied on him and Roy to be "two number one centers."

What really ###### Darcy Regier was the inabillity to acquire quality free agents, either through his own impotence, the publicly-visible lack of a large roster budget that was perceived as a hindrance to success, the post-lockout changes in the free agent market system causing a shortage of free agents, or the lack of interest by free agents to sign in Buffalo for any number of reasons.  This slide show summarizes the free agent history of the Buffalo Sabres 2009-present.  Atrocious.

Drafting, trading, and signing free agents comprise the all-important trifecta of player acquisition, and Regier was arguably very good at the first two. However, at different times throughout his tenure, he was either extremely bad or not allowed to be any good at the last one.  And it killed him.

Edited by IKnowPhysics, 15 July 2014 - 12:56 PM.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:00 PM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 15 July 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

That's not even remotely close to the point I was making. You're downplaying the Sabres success those two years by saying one of those series wasn't dominant enough for you to be satisfied. Using YOUR logic, the Kings must not be good either because they thoroughly got their ###### kicked most of that seies.

Has nothing to do with me being satisfied. The Sabres won nothing. The Kings did. Twice. The difference is astounding.

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 15 July 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

I can tell by your posts. :P

Apparently not.

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 15 July 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

I just don't see the hate. It's a typical excuse used by the haters. Any reasonable person would give Darcy some kind of credit. He was building a speedy team as speed was the trend BEFORE the lockout. Most teams were doing the same thing. Stop coming up with lame reasons to downplay anything he did.

The fact that I couldn't stand Darcy is no secret. He's gone, I no longer care, regardless what you may think.

The 05-07 team benefitted immensely by the rules. You're claming Darcy, as the only GM in the league had a crystal ball to see those rules coming, when nobody else did. I don't believe that, hence I don't give him credit for it.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:02 PM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 15 July 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:



Completely reasonable.

Which is not what this thread is trying to be.

We've discussed every point brought up so far ad nauseum at some time or another.  Darcy's drafting was well above average; according to some analysts it was near the top of the league.  Not making the finals and not skating over Edmonton to the Cup was due to a disastrous string of fluky injuries.  The '06-'08 team was goodgreat and well-coached by Lindy Ruff, but its downfall was the fault of tight purse strings and whatever the ###### Larry Quinn was doing.  Efforts to remain competitive after the departure of Drury, Briere, and Campbell stalled with Connolly injuries, as Regier relied on him and Roy to be "two number one centers."

What really ###### Darcy Regier was the inabillity to acquire quality free agents, either through his own impotence, the publicly-visible lack of a large roster budget that was perceived as a hindrance to success, the post-lockout changes in the free agent market system causing a shortage of free agents, or the lack of interest by free agents to sign in Buffalo for any number of reasons. This slide show summarizes the free agent history of the Buffalo Sabres 2009-present.  Atrocious.

Drafting, trading, and signing free agents comprise the all-important trifecta of player acquisition, and Regier was arguably very good at the first two. However, at different times throughout his tenure, he was either extremely bad or not allowed to be any good at the last one.  And it killed him.
Don't forget the corrolary of never changing his mind about an acquired 'rental.'  Once considered a rental, no player was ever extended, regardless of how circumstances may have changed.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:05 PM

View PostTaro T, on 15 July 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

Those '70-'75 Sabres HAD NEVER WON IN FILLY.  How was that team, that needed to find a way to win at minimum 1 there, and, considering they lost game 6 at home, realistically needed to win 2 in Filly 'a damn sight closer to winning' than the '06 Sabres that were less than 20 minutes away from facing the 8th place Eulers?

Philly was an outrageous team back then, there's no deyning that. But the fact that Gilbert's team were in the finals means they were closer by definition..

View PostTaro T, on 15 July 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

The Canes didn't lose a single player to injury on their way to the finals.  Every player that was available to them on April 22, 2006 was still available when the finals started on June 5.  The Sabres were down 4 D & Connolly.  The Canes had an astounding amount of luck that year and were down to the Sabres in the 3rd period of Game 7.

No denying the Canes luck that year, but the fact remains that barring a colossal meltdown in game 1, and the Canes hurting Roloson, the Oilers take game 1. They were up 4-1 when Rollie was hurt. They weren't the pushovers everyone like to make them out to be, hence I am not in the "Sabres would've walked all over them" camp.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:15 PM

View PostX. Benedict, on 15 July 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:



Zemgus, Risto, Nikita, Compher, McCabe.....Babtiste, Kea, Kassian McNabb, Foligno.....all Darcy draft boys.

Before we start giving Murray credit.

Uh huh........and I ate some Kale after my 3rd heart attack.....

View PostX. Benedict, on 15 July 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

I think we can give Darcy credit for some things without wishing him back.

Yes.....like we can give credit to the weasel for aerating the lawn next to the chicken coups.....

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:20 PM

View PostKristian, on 15 July 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:



Has nothing to do with me being satisfied. The Sabres won nothing. The Kings did. Twice. The difference is astounding.



Apparently not.



The fact that I couldn't stand Darcy is no secret. He's gone, I no longer care, regardless what you may think.

The 05-07 team benefitted immensely by the rules. You're claming Darcy, as the only GM in the league had a crystal ball to see those rules coming, when nobody else did. I don't believe that, hence I don't give him credit for it.

I'm sorry you can't comprehend the comparison. I wasn't comparing the teams I was comparing your logic that wins apparently don't count in your opinion. The Sabres were successful and you downplayed it by saying they weren't dominant enough so it doesn't count. The Kings were far from dominant in both of their Cup wins in some cases. Darcy could have won a Cup and you would have trashed him for not doing it in 16 games.

Darcy wasn't the only GM post-lockout. The Sabres weren't the only fast team post-lockout The Sabres weren't the only team in which the rules applied to. Darcy must have done something right to get to two consecutive CF's and a President's trophy because everybody else was in the same boat. If Darcy had that much success simply by luck then that doesn't say much for the rest of the league, does itk

If you don't care, you have a funny way of showing it.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:21 PM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 15 July 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

I get sick of hearing Darcy 'lucked into it'. Guess what, every team that is successful benefitted by luck at some point. Can't the guy get some credit?

I give him credit for being a very shrewd trader.  While there were some guys he brought in at the deadline that didn't pan out as well we all hoped, he usually got really good value for the players he shipped out.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:27 PM

View PostKristian, on 15 July 2014 - 01:05 PM, said:



Philly was an outrageous team back then, there's no deyning that. But the fact that Gilbert's team were in the finals means they were closer by definition..



No denying the Canes luck that year, but the fact remains that barring a colossal meltdown in game 1, and the Canes hurting Roloson, the Oilers take game 1. They were up 4-1 when Rollie was hurt. They weren't the pushovers everyone like to make them out to be, hence I am not in the "Sabres would've walked all over them" camp.
Didn't say they 'would've walked all over' the Eulers, but the Eulers would have had absolute fits w/ the Sabres' team speed.  They would have had to win at least 1 more game in Buffalo than Buffalo won in Edmonton.

At a minimum, w/ Filly's Spectrum being the Sabres official house of horrors, that '06 squad was close to where the '75 team was.  I'd still contend they were as close or closer than the '75 team.  Had the '75 team gotten 1 more point in the regular season, they'd've been closer to winning.  That team didn't win in Filly until '77 and it took 3 more years to get their next win there.

Those Sabres from that team claim they were the favorites heading into that series, it simply wasn't the case.  It was, IF THEY CAN FIND A WAY TO WIN 1 THERE, they've got a chance.  They couldn't and they didn't.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:32 PM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 15 July 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

I'm sorry you can't comprehend the comparison. I wasn't comparing the teams I was comparing your logic that wins apparently don't count in your opinion. The Sabres were successful and you downplayed it by saying they weren't dominant enough so it doesn't count. The Kings were far from dominant in both of their Cup wins in some cases. Darcy could have won a Cup and you would have trashed him for not doing it in 16 games.

Darcy wasn't the only GM post-lockout. The Sabres weren't the only fast team post-lockout The Sabres weren't the only team in which the rules applied to. Darcy must have done something right to get to two consecutive CF's and a President's trophy because everybody else was in the same boat. If Darcy had that much success simply by luck then that doesn't say much for the rest of the league, does itk

If you don't care, you have a funny way of showing it.

No, I just find it funny when I'm being told I should be praising a team that never won anything, let alone made the finals.

Funny thing is, that Sabres team wasn't all that fast. Sure, they had some great skaters like Afinogenov, Briere, Roy, Drury, and others, but guys like Kalinin, McKee, Vanek, Teppo, Grier, Pyatt and Dumont were never all that fast.

The Sabres for some reason that year just gelled, which is why I believe it was luck - I simply don't believe anyone could've had the foresight to get all those pieces into place, before even knowing how the game would be called, I'm sorry.

Call me a pessimst, call me whatever, I just don't believe anyone is hockey genious enough to build that team on purpose.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:35 PM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 15 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

Uh huh........and I ate some Kale after my 3rd heart attack.....

Fish has lots of omega 3s, so good for you. And Kale.