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#1 Glass Case Of Emotion

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:00 PM

So there has been a lot of talk about how good the Vanek Trade has been/could be for us. At the same time it has been/will be terrible for the Islanders.

But what is the WORST trade a team has made since the Sharks began the modern expansion era?

It could be a fleecing, a team that traded away a critical cog, or just a plain head scratcher.

After we get a dozen or so nominations, I'll throw up a poll so we can have a vote.

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My first nomination is the Islanders Chara and the 2nd overall (Spezza) for Yashin.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:05 PM

1992 - Hasek to Buffalo for Stephane Beauregard and a conditional pick (Eric Daze)

Edited by BuffaloSoldier2010, 09 July 2014 - 09:06 PM.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:10 PM

View PostBuffaloSoldier2010, on 09 July 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

1992 - Hasek to Buffalo for Stephane Beauregard and a conditional pick (Eric Daze)

If trades where you could almost never project what the player (Hasek) became then yes.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:13 PM

hindsight vs realtime could definitely be a judgement criteria.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:14 PM

LIndros trade '91.  Lindros to the Flyers and the Nords get back Peter Forsberg, Steve Duschene, Kerry Huffman, Mike Ricci, Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Philly’s first-round pick in 1993 and 1994, and $15 million in cash.   Jocylen Thibault with Philly’s 1993 pick. = Philly Phail.

Edited by Jeanbe, 09 July 2014 - 09:17 PM.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:17 PM

View PostJeanbe, on 09 July 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

LIndros trade '91.  Lindros to the Flyers and the Nords get back Peter Forsberg, Steve Duschene, Kerry Huffman, Mike Ricci, Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Philly’s first-round pick in 1993 and 1994, and $15 million in cash.   Jocylen Thibault with Philly’s 1993 pick.

Great example of the point I was trying to make in the Summer Trades thread.
Even if you absolutely love the player you are getting, if you trade away enough decent prospects, odds are good you are going to lose the trade.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:19 PM

Totally agree with you.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:19 PM

On the Sabres front, this one was pretty poor:  
  
Toronto Maple Leafs acquire    Dave Andreychuk, Daren Puppa 1993 1st round pick (#12-Kenny Jonsson)                                                     

Buffalo Sabres acquire
Grant Fuh, 1995 5th round pick (#119-Kevin Popp)

Edited by dudacek, 09 July 2014 - 09:22 PM.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:21 PM

Puppa.

That's just funny to say.

Puppa.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:22 PM

View PostTankalicious, on 09 July 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

If trades where you could almost never project what the player (Hasek) became then yes.
true, although Chara wasn't much of anything other than a project at the point of the isles ottowa trade mentioned above either.  I think they're of similar ilk.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:22 PM

Or how about this one:
Buffalo Sabres acquire
Vyacheslav Kozlov
2002 1st round pick (#30-Jim Slater)
2003 conditional pick (not exercised)

Detroit Red Wings acquire Dominik Hasek

Edited by dudacek, 09 July 2014 - 09:23 PM.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:23 PM

View Postdudacek, on 09 July 2014 - 09:19 PM, said:

On the Sabres front, this one was pretty poor:  
  
Toronto Maple Leafs acquire    Dave Andreychuk, Daren Puppa 1993 1st round pick (#12-Kenny Jonsson)

Buffalo Sabres acquire
Grant Fuh, 1995 5th round pick (#119-Kevin Popp)

but it opened the door for the Dominator :-)

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:24 PM

View PostBuffaloSoldier2010, on 09 July 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

1992 - Hasek to Buffalo for Stephane Beauregard and a conditional pick (Eric Daze)
That was tecnically the trade.  For all intents & purposes it was Ruuttu & 4th round pick (Daze) for Hasek.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:27 PM

Here's one I had complete forgotten about:
Buffalo Sabres acquire
Michal Grosek
Darryl Shannon

Winnipeg Jets acquire
Craig Muni
1996 1st round pick (#24-Daniel Briere)

Edited by dudacek, 09 July 2014 - 09:31 PM.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:27 PM

View Postdudacek, on 09 July 2014 - 09:19 PM, said:

On the Sabres front, this one was pretty poor:  

Toronto Maple Leafs acquire                                                                                                                                                                           Dave Andreychuk, Daren Puppa 1993 1st round pick (#12-Kenny Jonsson)                                                                                    

Buffalo Sabres acquire
Grant Fuh, 1995 5th round pick (#119-Kevin Popp)
IF that somehow doesn't appear to be an example of Muckler getting fleeced, remember HE ALREADY HAD HASEK. :doh: :doh: :doh:

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:46 PM

Not to derail the thread, but it's hard to think of a trade where 2 players as good as Lindros and Forsberg were traded for each other.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:01 PM

View Postnfreeman, on 09 July 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Not to derail the thread, but it's hard to think of a trade where 2 players as good as Lindros and Forsberg were traded for each other.
Lemaire for Perreault? ;)

Middleton for Hodge
Espo & Vadnais for Park, Ratelle, & (throw in) Zanussi.
Hodgson for Kassian. :P

Clark & a bunch for Sundin & a bunch

LeClair, Desjardins, & Dionne for Recchi & a pick.  (See what I did there - kept thread on track & helped the hijack. ;))

Nieuwendyk for Iginla

That was present assets traded for equal value in future assets.  (Millen was adder from Dallas)

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:03 PM

View Postdudacek, on 09 July 2014 - 09:27 PM, said:

Here's one I had complete forgotten about:
Buffalo Sabres acquire
Michal Grosek
Darryl Shannon

Winnipeg Jets acquire
Craig Muni
1996 1st round pick (#24-Daniel Briere)


Don't forget though that only a few years later ......

we traded Chris Gratton, 2004 fourth round pick (#112-Liam Reddox) to the Coyotes for Daniel Briere, 2004 third round pick (#71-Andrej Sekera)

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:59 PM

Gonna nominate the Lindros-Forsberg trade or, as it's apparently called, "Le Trade:"

-To the Avs: Patrick Roy and captain Mike Keane

-To the Canadians: Jocelyn Thibault, Martin Ručínský, and Andrei Kovalenko.

Only problem with this one is that Roy wanted out so badly; backed Montreal into a corner really.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:05 AM

Mike Peca for Tim Connolly and Taylor Pyatt,

On paper, there are much worse trades than this one, but for me it marked the day Darcy told us all :

"We no longer believe in grit and hard work, but are going to be a smallish finesse team, full of one-dimensional underachievers".

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:38 AM

Joe Thornton from boston to San Jose in exchange for Wayne primeau,  Marco Sturm,  and brad Stuart was pretty bad.

Messier and Beukeboom from the Oilers to the  New York Rangers for Bernie Nicholls,Steven Rice, and Louie DeBrusk

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:47 AM

View Postdudacek, on 09 July 2014 - 09:27 PM, said:

Here's one I had complete forgotten about:
Buffalo Sabres acquire
Michal Grosek
Darryl Shannon

Winnipeg Jets acquire
Craig Muni
1996 1st round pick (#24-Daniel Briere)

How about, moving Grosek for Doug Gilmour and JP Dumont? Very lopsided...

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:51 AM

View PostKristian, on 10 July 2014 - 12:05 AM, said:

Mike Peca for Tim Connolly and Taylor Pyatt,

On paper, there are much worse trades than this one, but for me it marked the day Darcy told us all :

"We no longer believe in grit and hard work, but are going to be a smallish finesse team, full of one-dimensional underachievers".

Peca held out for a year, seeking (what I think was a bit of an over)payment of $4M/year.  It wasn't a disrespect for size- both Connolly and Pyatt are bigger than Peca.  I won't dispute the grit point, but then again, those skilled players gave us quite a run post-lockout.

I don't think the '06-'07 teams were full of one-dimensional underachievers.

Edited by IKnowPhysics, 10 July 2014 - 12:51 AM.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 01:05 AM

Anders Hakansson for Kevin Stevens

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 05:36 AM

View PostTaro T, on 09 July 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

That was tecnically the trade.  For all intents & purposes it was Ruuttu & 4th round pick (Daze) for Hasek.

Outside of being a lopsided trade, this was the most blurred trade of all time.  Very few people remember it was really Christian Ruuttu traded for Hasek.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 06:22 AM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 10 July 2014 - 12:51 AM, said:

Peca held out for a year, seeking (what I think was a bit of an over)payment of $4M/year.  It wasn't a disrespect for size- both Connolly and Pyatt are bigger than Peca.  I won't dispute the grit point, but then again, those skilled players gave us quite a run post-lockout.

I don't think the '06-'07 teams were full of one-dimensional underachievers.

Peca wanted Jere Lehtinen money, which was about 3.5 mill a year. Not off the charts in any way, as Lehtinen was a Selke winner also.

Or am I remembering this wrong? One of the parties certainly brought the Jere Lehtinen contract into the picture, but it's been so long now, my memory escapes me.

And to be honest, who knows what the 06-07 teams were full of? I don't think the two post-lockout seasons are a solid foundation for an assesment of how good that team was - The game was being called vastly different from the norm, which benefitted the Sabres immensely. Why did it benefit the Sabres immensely?

Perhaps because we had our fair share of small, skill players who no longer could be man-handled off the puck, or interfered with? Who knows, really?

The further we progressed into the post-lockout era, and the more the officials reverted back to calling the game pre-lockut style, the more the Sabres struggled.

Yes, they lost the captains, but does anyone here really think the team would've made another Presidents Trophy push even with both Drury and Briere in the lineup in '08, as much as the game changed again?

All I know is, Drury and Briere didn't get us to any playoff appearences, pre-lockout, and after Dumont, McKee and Grier left in '06, the team IMHO certainly didn't become any *less* one-dimensional.

But I guess it's all subject to opinion.

Personally, I look at the two ECF years as an anomoly, due to the way the game was called then. Fun as heck sure, but also very much out of the ordinary, NHL-wise.

Edited by Kristian, 10 July 2014 - 06:24 AM.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 07:33 AM

View PostPotato, on 09 July 2014 - 09:21 PM, said:

Puppa.

That's just funny to say.

Puppa.
It's way more funny for swedes, puppa is ###### in swedish. EDIT: I was not allowed to spell that word (the thing between the female gender legs)

Edited by Dannepanne, 10 July 2014 - 07:36 AM.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 07:35 AM

Can we get a separate Mike Milbury division?

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 07:53 AM

View Postdudacek, on 09 July 2014 - 09:22 PM, said:

Or how about this one:
Buffalo Sabres acquire    
Vyacheslav Kozlov
2002 1st round pick (#30-Jim Slater)
2003 conditional pick (not exercised)

Detroit Red Wings acquire                                                                                                                                                                                                                Dominik Hasek

I am lost on this one...I don't remember Slater at all....either being drafted ,traded, not signed.....just anything

Hockey reference has him drafted by Atlanta in pick 30....did the sabers trade the pick or how did that work.

I usually remember first round picks , I am just at a total blank on this.


(Edit). Okay, I found a ten year old thread on another board about this trade. We traded the pick, ended up with Paille

Here is from the thread

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We more or less indirectly got Paille + Hecht + a pick that later became John Adams + for Hasek + Pandolfo + a pick that later became Jarrett Stoll + a pick that later became Joakim Lindstrom.

I don't know, I'm pretty happy to have Paille and Hecht for the next 10-12 years rather than Hasek for 1-2 years.


Edited by plenzmd1, 10 July 2014 - 08:00 AM.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 07:59 AM

View Postplenzmd1, on 10 July 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

I am lost on this one...I don't remember Slater at all....either being drafted ,traded, not signed.....just anything

Hockey reference has him drafted by Atlanta in pick 30....did the sabers trade the pick or how did that work.

I usually remember first round picks , I am just at a total blank on this.

We drafted Dan Paille with the pick we got through that trade.  We actually got the 20th overall pick from Detroit that year, which they had previously acquired from Columbus.

Edited by shrader, 10 July 2014 - 08:02 AM.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 08:08 AM

this site covers it fairly well

http://www.nhltradet...abres/2002-03/1

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 08:20 AM

View PostJeanbe, on 09 July 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

LIndros trade '91.  Lindros to the Flyers and the Nords get back Peter Forsberg, Steve Duschene, Kerry Huffman, Mike Ricci, Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Philly’s first-round pick in 1993 and 1994, and $15 million in cash.   Jocylen Thibault with Philly’s 1993 pick. = Philly Phail.

That built a Cup winner for the (evntual) Avs.

View PostPotato, on 09 July 2014 - 09:21 PM, said:

Puppa.

That's just funny to say.

Puppa.

I watched him in college (I went to RPI.)

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 09:20 AM

I am going the Moulson for Vanek trade.  Think about it.  We gave up Vanek and got Moulson, a 1st round pick 2015 (NYI), a 2nd round pick 2015 (NYI), then also got Torrey Mitchel, 2014 2nd (WNP) and 2014 2nd (Minn) (Those picks were Eric Cornel, Vaclav Karabacek, and due to a draft day trade that involved that WNP pick, Brycen Martin)

I include the 2nd part of that solely because we resigned Moulson and he is here for another 5 years which in my mind is part of the same deal.

So Vanek trade netted us: Moulson, Mitchell, NYI 2015 1st, NYI 2015 2nd, Eric Cornel, Vaclav Karabacek, Brycen Martin.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:30 PM

View PostNaulter8, on 10 July 2014 - 12:38 AM, said:

Joe Thornton from boston to San Jose in exchange for Wayne primeau,  Marco Sturm,  and brad Stuart was pretty bad.

Messier and Beukeboom from the Oilers to the  New York Rangers for Bernie Nicholls,Steven Rice, and Louie DeBrusk
Depends how you look at it.  Since Thornton left Beantown, B's have been in the finals twice and :sick: won it once.  Snarks rarely make it past the 2nd round w/ big Joe and have never been to the finals.  When viewed from that perspective, how bad was the trade for the B's?  (If you meant it was bad for SJ, the as Emily used to say, nevermind.)

View PostMoulson26, on 10 July 2014 - 12:47 AM, said:



How about, moving Grosek for Doug Gilmour and JP Dumont? Very lopsided...
Don't forget to add in Chicago paying 1/2 of Doug's salary.  
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Posted 10 July 2014 - 01:17 PM

View PostDHawerchuk10, on 10 July 2014 - 05:36 AM, said:



Outside of being a lopsided trade, this was the most blurred trade of all time.  Very few people remember it was really Christian Ruuttu traded for Hasek.

Actually I would argue that most people think it was Ruuttu for Hasek.

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 10:20 AM

Skimming a lot since my return.

This thread has been fun.

How about ...

March 4, 1991 ...

Hartford Whalers ... John Cullen, Jeff Parker and Zarley Zalapski.

Pittsburgh Penguins ... Ron Francis, Grant Jennings and Ulf Sameulson.

We were living in the Pitts Burgh at the time, so I loved this trade.

A few months later the Penguins won their first of back-to-back Cups.

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 03:16 PM

A few years ago. Montreal acquired Scott Gomez from the NY Rangers and in that deal the Rangers that included D Ryan McDonagh who could be a perennial Norris candidate for the foreseeable future.
What a TERRIBLE move by the Habs

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 06:42 AM

Guess we have to wait a bit, but if that ny islanders 1st round pick turns into a top 5.
The moulson - Vanek trade ranks high on my list :P

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 11:30 AM

View Posttom webster, on 10 July 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

Actually I would argue that most people think it was Ruuttu for Hasek.

I suppose it depends on what circles you run.  This lost me a bet once, and everybody looked at me like I was a crazy person for even suggesting Ruuttu was traded for Hasek.

View Post(E5), on 29 July 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

A few years ago. Montreal acquired Scott Gomez from the NY Rangers and in that deal the Rangers that included D Ryan McDonagh who could be a perennial Norris candidate for the foreseeable future.
What a TERRIBLE move by the Habs

Yeah, this ranks pretty high with me as well...definitely top 10, especially seeing that McDonagh is developing into an all-star.

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 02:03 PM

Barnaby for Stu Barnes jumps out at me.  So happy to get rid of that punk for a solid player and a leader.





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