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#1 716

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 07:43 AM

This is outrageous! Three Sabres goalies down with long term injuries in the last few weeks. Never saw anything like it. We're 30th out of 30...are teams taking intentional runs at our goalies "because they can?"  Are our d-men so bad that they let them run the goalies? Why can't the Sabres protect their goalies better? Is our team so without heart that we don't stand up for the goalies after they get run?

Seems the Lucic incident has really defined our team and there was no transformation after that, just decomposing.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 08:38 AM

I think our players are just trying to survive the season, seeing as we are losing a player per game. It's insane. It might also be a lot to expect when you have a team with a foot on the bus already.

Welcome to the Tank! What did you expect? Get ready for more of the same.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 08:39 AM

I don't think Enroth and Hackett are out because of being run? I think it is just bad luck

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:17 AM

View PostThirtyEight, on 08 April 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

I don't think Enroth and Hackett are out because of being run? I think it is just bad luck
Hacketts not out, isn't Lieuwen the guy thats out?

Also, I don't know how many can really be called long term injuries this late in a garbage season, If they were in the hunt or earlier in the year, these guys would be back much sooner
Right now a hang nail could keep you out for the rest of the season.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:25 AM

View PostPromoTheRobot, on 08 April 2014 - 08:38 AM, said:

Welcome to the Tank! What did you expect?

A lot of losing, fans complaining about losing with a roster incapable of winning and high draft picks.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:02 AM

View Postapuszczalowski, on 08 April 2014 - 09:17 AM, said:

Also, I don't know how many can really be called long term injuries this late in a garbage season
The ones that would/should/could be playing in Rochesterfor additional 1+ weeks after Sunday.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:53 PM

Helm had no problem taking down Hackett tonight.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 05:08 AM

View PostThirtyEight, on 08 April 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

I don't think Enroth and Hackett are out because of being run? I think it is just bad luck

Maybe the intent wasn't there to injure, but both Enroth and Lieuwen got hurt because the opposing players had no fear of crashing the net without any concerns of taking out the Sabres goalie. Also in both cases the player that 'caused the injury' did not even receive a dirty look from the Sabres players. I just can't see either of those incidents going unnoticed on any other team.
https://www.youtube....h?v=crwpkGBVwLo

View PostAndrew Amerk, on 08 April 2014 - 11:53 PM, said:

Helm had no problem taking down Hackett tonight.

The Sabres and their coach also had no problem looking the other way.   "Hey look up there, it's Sabretooth".

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 06:02 AM

It just seems like when you're down, you're going to get kicked.  Just have to make it through the next 6 days or so alive.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 07:19 AM

I'n betting Ryan's pretty happy not having to worry about that anymore.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 08:57 AM

View PostKristian, on 09 April 2014 - 07:19 AM, said:

I'n betting Ryan's pretty happy not having to worry about that anymore.

I think you're right: Lucic Pt. 2 might have been even uglier with no resistance at all. However the lack of shots with the Blues may have given Miller a false sense of security; even with 15-25 shots a game, he still has the low save percentage over there and he's on a losing streak when a President's Trophy is on the line. Let's hope it's just a bump in the road on the way to at least the Conference Finals for him anyway.

Further I say get Ekblad if possible. The defense needs all the help it can get.

Edited by 716, 09 April 2014 - 09:03 AM.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:14 AM

View Postkishoph, on 09 April 2014 - 05:08 AM, said:

Maybe the intent wasn't there to injure, but both Enroth and Lieuwen got hurt because the opposing players had no fear of crashing the net without any concerns of taking out the Sabres goalie. Also in both cases the player that 'caused the injury' did not even receive a dirty look from the Sabres players. I just can't see either of those incidents going unnoticed on any other team.
https://www.youtube....h?v=crwpkGBVwLo



The Sabres and their coach also had no problem looking the other way.   "Hey look up there, it's Sabretooth".
In their defence, Sabretooths antics can be entertaining............

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:14 AM

View PostAndrew Amerk, on 08 April 2014 - 11:53 PM, said:

Helm had no problem taking down Hackett tonight.

And where was the response from the Sabres?  That could have injured Hackett.   Why does nothing provoke a fight from this team?  Why is Nolan so complacent?  

If I were in that locker room between periods after that shot on Hackett, I'd be like.... "Hey, guys - Helm yanked the feet right out from under our goalie,  when the puck was already down ice!!!   It was a dirty, cheap shot and Helm was trying to hurt Hackett and disrespect him!!!   How much more of this are we gonna take sitting down?  We need to be stomping some ass!!!!  Get out there and make Helm pay a price this period, and make sure he understands WHY!"

I'm sorry - but seeing more and more of this, game after game, I'm starting to wonder about Ted Nolan's leadership in that locker room.  Some will be leaving, but they're still competitive alpha males or they wouldn't be professional athletes in one of the physically toughest sports there is!    Why is there no retaliation?  No fighting?   They have nothing to play for at this point except respect - and they're getting DIS-respected by the other teams on the ice - blatantly so!

And last night - you have both Stewart and Foligno back in the roster - who are big, tough guys!  Hackett gets cheap shotted,  they need to crack some heads!    And you can't say it's because they're not staying, because I'm thinking there's a good chance they'll be back.  

Some have speculated that Nolan himself is ordering them not to retaliate - that's seeming more likely to me.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:56 AM

View PostJsixspd, on 09 April 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

And where was the response from the Sabres?  That could have injured Hackett.   Why does nothing provoke a fight from this team?  Why is Nolan so complacent?  

If I were in that locker room between periods after that shot on Hackett, I'd be like.... "Hey, guys - Helm yanked the feet right out from under our goalie,  when the puck was already down ice!!!   It was a dirty, cheap shot and Helm was trying to hurt Hackett and disrespect him!!!   How much more of this are we gonna take sitting down?  We need to be stomping some ass!!!!  Get out there and make Helm pay a price this period, and make sure he understands WHY!"

I'm sorry - but seeing more and more of this, game after game, I'm starting to wonder about Ted Nolan's leadership in that locker room.  Some will be leaving, but they're still competitive alpha males or they wouldn't be professional athletes in one of the physically toughest sports there is! Why is there no retaliation?  No fighting?   They have nothing to play for at this point except respect - and they're getting DIS-respected by the other teams on the ice - blatantly so!

And last night - you have both Stewart and Foligno back in the roster - who are big, tough guys!  Hackett gets cheap shotted,  they need to crack some heads! And you can't say it's because they're not staying, because I'm thinking there's a good chance they'll be back.  

Some have speculated that Nolan himself is ordering them not to retaliate - that's seeming more likely to me.
True, but they are also coming off of injuries and are probably not 100%

I have a feeling they are under strict orders from management, probably coming from the NHL, not to "goon things up" against teams in the playoffs/playoff hunt
We have seen how the NHL treats Sabres players (Kaleta, Scott, etc.) that try and stick up for teammates and fight back

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:52 AM

The Lieuwen injury was a blatant elbow to the head. Now he's concussed for the 3rd time (at least) in the last few years. One has to wonder if he has a future.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 03:24 PM

View Postapuszczalowski, on 09 April 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:

True, but they are also coming off of injuries and are probably not 100%

I have a feeling they are under strict orders from management, probably coming from the NHL, not to "goon things up" against teams in the playoffs/playoff hunt
We have seen how the NHL treats Sabres players (Kaleta, Scott, etc.) that try and stick up for teammates and fight back

Even so, how much can they take ? Along with the Hackett trip, Foligno got big time 'slew footed' and  the ref wasn't the only one that did nothing about it.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 08:56 PM

STOP IT, YOU BUNCH OF MEANIES!!!  NO!!  NO MEANS, NO!!!

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:54 PM

View PostJsixspd, on 09 April 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

And where was the response from the Sabres?  That could have injured Hackett.   Why does nothing provoke a fight from this team?  Why is Nolan so complacent?  

If I were in that locker room between periods after that shot on Hackett, I'd be like.... "Hey, guys - Helm yanked the feet right out from under our goalie,  when the puck was already down ice!!!   It was a dirty, cheap shot and Helm was trying to hurt Hackett and disrespect him!!!   How much more of this are we gonna take sitting down?  We need to be stomping some ass!!!!  Get out there and make Helm pay a price this period, and make sure he understands WHY!"

I'm sorry - but seeing more and more of this, game after game, I'm starting to wonder about Ted Nolan's leadership in that locker room.  Some will be leaving, but they're still competitive alpha males or they wouldn't be professional athletes in one of the physically toughest sports there is! Why is there no retaliation?  No fighting?   They have nothing to play for at this point except respect - and they're getting DIS-respected by the other teams on the ice - blatantly so!

And last night - you have both Stewart and Foligno back in the roster - who are big, tough guys!  Hackett gets cheap shotted,  they need to crack some heads! And you can't say it's because they're not staying, because I'm thinking there's a good chance they'll be back.  

Some have speculated that Nolan himself is ordering them not to retaliate - that's seeming more likely to me.
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I agree - go crack some heads, you bunch of morons!

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:24 PM

View PostJsixspd, on 09 April 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:



And where was the response from the Sabres?  That could have injured Hackett.   Why does nothing provoke a fight from this team?  Why is Nolan so complacent?  

If I were in that locker room between periods after that shot on Hackett, I'd be like.... "Hey, guys - Helm yanked the feet right out from under our goalie,  when the puck was already down ice!!!   It was a dirty, cheap shot and Helm was trying to hurt Hackett and disrespect him!!!   How much more of this are we gonna take sitting down?  We need to be stomping some ass!!!!  Get out there and make Helm pay a price this period, and make sure he understands WHY!"

I'm sorry - but seeing more and more of this, game after game, I'm starting to wonder about Ted Nolan's leadership in that locker room.  Some will be leaving, but they're still competitive alpha males or they wouldn't be professional athletes in one of the physically toughest sports there is!    Why is there no retaliation?  No fighting?   They have nothing to play for at this point except respect - and they're getting DIS-respected by the other teams on the ice - blatantly so!

And last night - you have both Stewart and Foligno back in the roster - who are big, tough guys!  Hackett gets cheap shotted,  they need to crack some heads!    And you can't say it's because they're not staying, because I'm thinking there's a good chance they'll be back.  

Some have speculated that Nolan himself is ordering them not to retaliate - that's seeming more likely to me.

Rather than targeting Helm specifically, I would ordered someone, anyone, to do THE SAME EXACT THING to Jimmy Howard.

Then, see how a team about to enter the playoffs feels about potentially losing their starter, just because one of their players wanted to be an idiot.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 06:19 AM

And as I mentioned in the GDT,  Matt Hackett played his ass off last night, and got speared with a stick by a Rangers player - no on-ice response from the Sabres.  The whole team is a bunch of wimpy cream-puffs, from the coaches on down.  Even if the coaches are 'instructing' the players not to retaliate, if I were a player I wouldn't give a hoot in hell myself.  The hell with orders.  Coach or no coach,  I'd go right out and put a hit on Lundqvist, see how much they like it.

Are the Sabres the "Low-T" team or what?

Edited by Jsixspd, 11 April 2014 - 06:19 AM.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 12:35 PM

View Post716, on 08 April 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

This is outrageous! Three Sabres goalies down with long term injuries in the last few weeks. Never saw anything like it. We're 30th out of 30...are teams taking intentional runs at our goalies "because they can?"  Are our d-men so bad that they let them run the goalies? Why can't the Sabres protect their goalies better? Is our team so without heart that we don't stand up for the goalies after they get run?

Seems the Lucic incident has really defined our team and there was no transformation after that, just decomposing.

Teams take liberties with the Sabres not because they are soft, but because they can't score.
No worries running a few guys if they can't convert their PP opportunities.
If you can't convert a 5-3 ...........not only does your goalie get run, everyone gets run.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 04:41 AM

Hopefully Hackett make it out of tonight's Bruins game without getting injured.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 06:15 AM

No one on this team or on the bench apparently would do anything about it if he were.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 02:32 PM

View Postkishoph, on 12 April 2014 - 04:41 AM, said:

Hopefully Hackett make it out of tonight's Bruins game without getting injured.

And then there's this....

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 02:46 PM

Sabres' Goalies = Spinal Tap Drummers

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 04:03 PM

View PostJsixspd, on 12 April 2014 - 06:15 AM, said:

No one on this team or on the bench apparently would do anything about it if he were.

They weren't allowed to.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 05:29 PM

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone and another one gone
Another one bites the dust, eh
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 05:55 PM

Suggestion for next season: put medical alerts right on the back of the goalie mask.

Edited by X. Benedict, 12 April 2014 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 07:02 PM

Thank you McBain for personally taking care of Enroth and Hackett.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 07:25 PM

Sign a Hasek to a 1day contract... DO IT!

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 09:13 PM

View Post716, on 12 April 2014 - 07:02 PM, said:

Thank you McBain for personally taking care of Enroth and Hackett.
:angry: I am Labbat level angry at  mcBoner

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 09:50 PM

View Post716, on 12 April 2014 - 07:02 PM, said:

Thank you McBain for personally taking care of Enroth and Hackett.

I want Mendoza to take McBain out.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 09:16 AM

View Postwjag, on 12 April 2014 - 05:29 PM, said:

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone and another one gone
Another one bites the dust, eh
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

Awesome post ...

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