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#1 pi2000

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 05:28 PM

https://www.youtube....h?v=cpYkgFGl8b4

This guy has very good hands and skating ability.   He's killing it in the OHL.  

With all the defensive prospects the Sabres have, I would consider moving Zadorov to the wing... ala Brent Burns.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 05:33 PM

View Postpi2000, on 26 March 2014 - 05:28 PM, said:

https://www.youtube....h?v=cpYkgFGl8b4

This guy has very good hands and skating ability.   He's killing it in the OHL.  

With all the defensive prospects the Sabres have, I would consider moving Zadorov to the wing... ala Brent Burns.
No.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 05:47 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 26 March 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

No.

I think that sums it up.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 05:49 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 26 March 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

No.

I have a small itch to elaborate on this.  Will I scratch it?

View PostLGR4GM, on 26 March 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

No.


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Posted 26 March 2014 - 06:01 PM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 26 March 2014 - 05:49 PM, said:



I have a small itch to elaborate on this.  Will I scratch it?

Don't do it man.  Not worth it.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 06:04 PM

I'm not in favor of it but hey you never know!

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 06:08 PM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 26 March 2014 - 05:49 PM, said:

I have a small itch to elaborate on this.  Will I scratch it?
Elaboration...

###### no.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 06:50 PM

No, however if we loaded with injuries to the offense I might dress 7 D and have him play some 4th line minutes.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 06:57 PM

I'll say it again for those who weren't listening when someone asked this about Myers. Burns was drafted as an RW/D. He had played both positions before and frequently. There is a reason most players stay within the unit they were drafted (psst - it's because the NHL is so unforgiving you don;t have time or space to make the errors you would do in a new position).

The only successful move I can think of is Ericksson - Detroit drafted him as a centre and instantly moved him to D

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 06:59 PM

View PostThirtyEight, on 26 March 2014 - 06:57 PM, said:

I'll say it again for those who weren't listening when someone asked this about Myers. Burns was drafted as an RW/D. He had played both positions before and frequently. There is a reason most players stay within the unit they were drafted (psst - it's because the NHL is so unforgiving you don;t have time or space to make the errors you would do in a new position).

The only successful move I can think of is Ericksson - Detroit drafted him as a centre and instantly moved him to D

I think some special players are able to switch positions, but it's a rare thing for sure.  I don't think zadorov or ristolainen could be forwards.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 07:02 PM

View PostThirtyEight, on 26 March 2014 - 06:57 PM, said:

I'll say it again for those who weren't listening when someone asked this about Myers. Burns was drafted as an RW/D. He had played both positions before and frequently. There is a reason most players stay within the unit they were drafted (psst - it's because the NHL is so unforgiving you don;t have time or space to make the errors you would do in a new position).

The only successful move I can think of is Ericksson - Detroit drafted him as a centre and instantly moved him to D

There have been a few just in the Sabres org, but none that really made a name. Gragnani, Paetsch, John Scott, and Deslauriers just recently. With the style the game is played, I don't see the huge upside. D leading rushes isn't uncommon, so I'm not sure how much it buys you.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 07:06 PM

View PostMattPie, on 26 March 2014 - 07:02 PM, said:

There have been a few just in the Sabres org, but none that really made a name. Gragnani, Paetsch, John Scott, and Deslauriers just recently. With the style the game is played, I don't see the huge upside. D leading rushes isn't uncommon, so I'm not sure how much it buys you.

Sorry, I should have been clearer - by successful, I meant capable of holding down a job in the NHL. Deslauriers hasn't proven anything yet, plus he was never a great D-man to begin with.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 07:10 PM

View Postpi2000, on 26 March 2014 - 05:28 PM, said:

https://www.youtube....h?v=cpYkgFGl8b4

This guy has very good hands and skating ability.   He's killing it in the OHL.  

With all the defensive prospects the Sabres have, I would consider moving Zadorov to the wing... ala Brent Burns.

Yes. We should absolutely ruin the development of the best defensive prospect in our system.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 07:28 PM

He still wouldn't be the physically dominating/goal-scoring machine that Kassian was for us :nana:

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:58 PM

He actually has the same skillset as Pronger and Stevens. While everyone wanted Myers to be that, here is a guy who might actually be able to come close some day. I think we choked on pick #8, but evened it out at #16.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 09:02 PM

no

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 10:36 PM

We should probably move him to goaltender... 'cus he's big.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 11:30 PM

View Postthewookie1, on 26 March 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

No, however if we loaded with injuries to the offense I might dress 7 D and have him play some 4th line minutes.
What?  How ignorant are you sir?  Nikita #1 center.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 01:24 AM

no

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 01:29 AM

I'd much prefer if we put a forward with good hands at forward.

I want opposing forwards worrying about crossing our blue line when Zadorov is on the ice.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 06:28 AM

Kristian beat me to it. Does this just keep coming up (Tyler Myers) because we don't have any forwards with hands and size?

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 06:33 AM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 26 March 2014 - 05:49 PM, said:



I have a small itch to elaborate on this.  Will I scratch it?

I don't believe moving zads to the forward ranks is beneficial to the team overall. I love the kids defensive game. If he stays the course development wise I believe it gives management a degree of flexability when it comes to making moves, particularly with Myers.

I'm not advocating they will move Myers mind u, I'm merely stating zads as a d-man offers that possibility is all.

So, what's your itch?

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 07:51 AM

With Chara playing in front of net on PPs, that I think might be the only role forward that Z might have.  Otherwise, keep him on D.  Still need someone that can move the puck and shoot while on the PP for it to work.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 07:52 AM

sure.. make Tyler a center too..  He likes to skate up the middle with the puck anyways...

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 08:10 AM

Good idea.  Then we draft Ekblad.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 08:13 AM

View PostClaude_Verret, on 27 March 2014 - 08:10 AM, said:

Good idea.  Then we draft Ekblad.

Perfect.

Then the year after we draft him we can all talk about moving him to forward too.

For what it's worth, I don't like this idea.  No sir, I don't like it one bit.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 08:19 AM

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 27 March 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

Perfect.

Then the year after we draft him we can all talk about moving him to forward too.

For what it's worth, I don't like this idea.  No sir, I don't like it one bit.

Same here..was just playing along.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 08:32 AM

View PostClaude_Verret, on 27 March 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

Same here..was just playing along.

Same here ... was just playing along.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 08:40 AM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 26 March 2014 - 08:58 PM, said:

He actually has the same skillset as Pronger and Stevens. While everyone wanted Myers to be that, here is a guy who might actually be able to come close some day. I think we choked on pick #8, but evened it out at #16.

Choked?  Have you seen Ristolainen play?  The kid is going to be a stud.  They are loaded on defense for the future.  Now the target becomes Connor McDavid in 2015 and whomever they pick first overall this season.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 08:43 AM

View PostBuffalOhio, on 27 March 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

Choked?  Have you seen Ristolainen play?  The kid is going to be a stud.  They are loaded on defense for the future.  Now the target becomes Connor McDavid in 2015 and whomever they pick first overall this season.
I'm guessing GoDD wanted either Bo Horvat at 8 or Valeri Nichushkin and that is what he meant by choked on the pick.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 10:03 AM

View PostHopefulFuture, on 27 March 2014 - 06:33 AM, said:

So, what's your itch?

Liger's initial response was clear and concise.  My itch to elaborate was for me to more thoroughly explain why it was a bad idea to make Zadorov a forward, reinforcing Liger's repsonse.

Am I going to?

View PostLGR4GM, on 26 March 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

No.

View PostDerrico, on 26 March 2014 - 06:01 PM, said:

Don't do it man.  Not worth it.

Edited by IKnowPhysics, 27 March 2014 - 10:04 AM.


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Posted 27 March 2014 - 10:48 AM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 27 March 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:



Liger's initial response was clear and concise.  My itch to elaborate was for me to more thoroughly explain why it was a bad idea to make Zadorov a forward, reinforcing Liger's repsonse.

Am I going to?

Point taken :-p

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 11:49 AM

I'd prefer Zadarov to score like a forward while playing defense.  Problem solved.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 12:36 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 27 March 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:


I'm guessing GoDD wanted either Bo Horvat at 8 or Valeri Nichushkin and that is what he meant by choked on the pick.

Yes...on a team depleted at forward and grit, there were 3 or 4 options. Zadarov seems to be good value at #16 at this point and looking at the 2 together, it looks ok. If someone came knocking and said, "We will give you a bonafide #1 center for Hodgson and your choice of Zadorov or Ristolainen"....who would you give up in that deal right now? Sort of like last year with Grigorenko and Girgensons.....we seem to be hitting homeruns with gritty, big boy hockey players with not as much offensive upside which is a refreshing change.

That being said, if Myers really does have his head out of his A, I would be very tempted to grab Ekbald this year and keep trading for forward prospects in numbers, hoping you hit on a few. A defense of Ekbald/Zadorov/Myers/Ehrhoff/Ristolainen/Pysyk the next 5+ years and a little luck in net...and maybe you are a real perennial contender 3-4 years out.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 01:40 PM

Our top line is gonna be Risto - Zad - Blad

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 02:09 PM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 27 March 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

Our top line is gonna be Risto - Zad - Blad

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 02:32 PM

View PostBuffalOhio, on 27 March 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

Choked?  Have you seen Ristolainen play?  The kid is going to be a stud.  They are loaded on defense for the future.  Now the target becomes Connor McDavid in 2015 and whomever they pick first overall this season.

I'm just not that impressed with Ristolainen.   What does he do out there that makes him a special player?   He looks slow to me, slow footed, lacking quickness and top end speed.  When he turns from backward to forward guys are blowing right by him.     Sure he's got good size and can pass pretty well, but it's not like he's a shutdown guy or is generating any scoring chances.    I see him as the second coming of Dmitri Kalinin.

I also don't get why they didn't recall Pysyk instead... is he injured?    I mean, I think Risto could benefit more from playing in Roch.    Pysyk is more NHL ready IMO.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 02:44 PM

Wait you don't like ristolainen, but you want to convert zadorov to a forward because we have a lot of defensive prospects....?

So pysyk and McCabe and that's it?

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:12 PM

View PostNumark, on 27 March 2014 - 02:44 PM, said:

Wait you don't like ristolainen, but you want to convert zadorov to a forward because we have a lot of defensive prospects....?

So pysyk and McCabe and that's it?

Pysyk, McCabe, Myers, Ristolainen, Ehrhoff and Ruhwedel/Ekblad

move Zadorov to forward, yes.    Ristolainen is servicable, but I just don't see all-star potential there.    Maybe an Alex Edler at best?

Sekera.   What happened there?   He has 44 points (top 10 in D scoring), and is a +1.   Shea Weber has 46 points and is a -9.    I mean... really?

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:19 PM

View Postpi2000, on 27 March 2014 - 04:12 PM, said:

Pysyk, McCabe, Myers, Ristolainen, Ehrhoff and Ruhwedel/Ekblad

move Zadorov to forward, yes. Ristolainen is servicable, but I just don't see all-star potential there. Maybe an Alex Edler at best?

Sekera.   What happened there?   He has 44 points (top 10 in D scoring), and is a +1.   Shea Weber has 46 points and is a -9. I mean... really?

He played on a Regier team.