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#1 WildCard

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 03:30 PM

Free Agency starts today our fan in NS mentioned we should make a new thread and because I agree with him, here it is!

View PostWildCard, on 11 March 2014 - 02:44 PM, said:

So NFL Free-Agency starts today, here's a quick rundown of apparent interests the Bill's might have
http://www.buffalobi...26-038f899eae74

The future of Jairus Byrd is still unknown, but with him declining an initial offer it seems more likely that he would sign for more money elsewhere (although Whaley insists there is still communication going on)

My question then is what does this board think the Bill's need to upgrade in in FA as opposed to the draft? Do we target a LB now and save our pick to address another need? Are we content with keeping Aarron Williams at safety and leaving it at that? Do we get a big receiver/tight end now or draft one later?

Any thoughts?

Well we're not totally limited at $22 million in cap space, but we're not going to be able to thrown money around like the Dolphins($38 million in space) or Browns($55 million in space). That being said if we resign Byrd, who was a $6.9 million hit last year after the tag, would probably get something around $7.5-8 million if he came back to the Bills. That's not the highest in the league, which is what he reportedly may get, but a team like the Bills isn't going to do that for an injured safety (plus they didn't tag him which would have been an $8.4 million dollar hit so I assume they want a lower payment)

Here's a list of all safeties and they're cap-hits
http://www.spotrac.c...cap-hit/safety/

I agree with Tank though, I want to shore up that O-line now while we can and make sure 1)EJ doesn't miss half the season again and 2)He feels comfortable so he can develop

Draft a LB in the 1st round (Mack or Barr) and get a bigger receiver in the 2nd/3rd round. I want to see Woods offensive role sky-rocket this season so WR isn't a pressing need in my books.


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Report: Ravens expected to be "strong potential landing spot" for Jairus Byrd http://wp.me/p14QSB-9qP8

View PostTankalicious, on 11 March 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

I think they should take care of their own guy and bring Byrd back into the fold.

I also think there are a lot of very good offensive linemen available and they should get at least one of them. But they'll be in the bargain market again.

Edited by WildCard, 11 March 2014 - 03:30 PM.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 03:42 PM

Looks like the Browns are putting that cap-space to use-signing both Carlos Dansby and Donte Whitner. Sounds like Pettine is going to have some fun this season

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 03:47 PM

What?

No midfielder for a draft choice?  

We all know that it's the midfield that control every footbal match.

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Wrong thread ...

Carry on ...

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 03:52 PM

I'd draft LeBron James to play power-forward in the Premier League but I think his transfer-fee would be absurd and some d-bag team like Man United might get him and forget that he can only do corner kicks with certain nike skates on and only on a one-timer from the goal-line :thumbsup:

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 03:54 PM

Can't we just cut the posts from the 2013 thread, paste them here. change player names and opponents as appropriate and call it a season on the 2014 Bills?

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 04:01 PM

View PostClaude_Verret, on 11 March 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

Can't we just cut the posts from the 2013 thread, paste them here. change player names and opponents as appropriate and call it a season on the 2014 Bills?
I will not have yet ANOTHER 6-10 season!!!!

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 04:07 PM

I'm calling it now: Bills will go 6-10 (+-1) this season. That's the prediction I've been making since 1996.

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 04:10 PM

Last year I thought we'd have a legit shot at the playoffs, but losing Byrd and Pettine really worries me.  I like getting Schwartz to replace Pettine, but Pettine was just so damn good at putting players in a position to succeed I don't think he's easily replaced, even if Schwartz is pretty good.  I'm not going to vote yet because I want to see what happens in free agency and the draft.  If I were in charge, I'd be doing everything possible to get Manuel some weapons and improve the offensive line.  Even with losing Byrd/Pettine I think the defense will still be good enough, even if it's not spectacular.  But the offense needs some serious love.  EJ may still fail to become a good starter, but I hope they at least set him up with the best possible chance to develop.

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 05:08 PM

So I don't know what rock I crawled out from under, but I just found out this week that Pettine left..  Sheesh..

This team can't catch a break.

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 05:33 PM

View PostMattPie, on 11 March 2014 - 04:07 PM, said:

I'm calling it now: Bills will go 6-10 (+-1) this season. That's the prediction I've been making since 1996.

And it has been accurate every year ........ :wallbash:

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 06:11 PM

View PostMattPie, on 11 March 2014 - 04:07 PM, said:

I'm calling it now: Bills will go 6-10 (+-1) this season. That's the prediction I've been making since 1996.

Those are some lofty expectations.

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 08:27 PM

Byrd is officially a Saint

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 10:23 PM

View PostBRAWNDO, on 11 March 2014 - 08:27 PM, said:

Byrd is officially a Saint
Good thing we didn't tag him and trade him for a 1st :doh:

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 11:14 PM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 11 March 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

Good thing we didn't tag him and trade him for a 1st :doh:

Wouldn't have gotten a first out of him, but they still could've gotten SOMETHING. I don't care if it was a fourth rounder.

They'll regret the Aaron Williams deal more than they end up regretting not topping that Byrd offer. Williams was a product of Pettine's defense. I hope that's not true, but we'll see.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 09:55 AM

View PostTankalicious, on 11 March 2014 - 11:14 PM, said:

Wouldn't have gotten a first out of him, but they still could've gotten SOMETHING. I don't care if it was a fourth rounder.

They'll regret the Aaron Williams deal more than they end up regretting not topping that Byrd offer. Williams was a product of Pettine's defense. I hope that's not true, but we'll see.
Well they could end up getting a 3rd in a compensatory pick just because of the deal he signed
people have to remember that contracts in Sports have to have agreements from both sides. The Bills could have tagged Byrd, but he would also have to have signed the tag, and they would have had to also find a team that would then agree to give up something for him. The Saints only had to give up money in his contract, they don't give up any picks to get him. Who knows if they would have been willing to sign him if they had to give up draft picks to the Bills in order to get him.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:08 AM

View Postapuszczalowski, on 12 March 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

Well they could end up getting a 3rd in a compensatory pick just because of the deal he signed
people have to remember that contracts in Sports have to have agreements from both sides. The Bills could have tagged Byrd, but he would also have to have signed the tag, and they would have had to also find a team that would then agree to give up something for him. The Saints only had to give up money in his contract, they don't give up any picks to get him. Who knows if they would have been willing to sign him if they had to give up draft picks to the Bills in order to get him.

Good call on the compensatory pick. Makes more sense letting him walk with that in mind.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 04:38 PM

The more I think about it today, the more I realize that this team is farther away from the playoffs than it has been in a while. Manuel is terrible, the offensive line is even worse (they just signed a guy who has been one of the worst offensive starters in the league for a while now) and the defense will be a question mark.

As much as the defense improved last season you have to question what the loss of Byrd and Pettine will mean to its production.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 04:56 PM

I do like this signing, though... Corey Graham, corner from the Ravens, signed with Buffalo. Four years, $16 million.

He was born and raised in Buffalo.

Edited by Tankalicious, 12 March 2014 - 04:57 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 05:20 PM

Letting Byrd go makes not signing Levitre even more of a head scratcher.  We're just stockpiling cap space for nothing.  I wonder which of Dareus, Glenn, Spiller, and Gilmore will walk?

Grrr.  I still think our defense can be better this year than it was last year if we add a couple quality LBers.  It'll require Schwartz to have his ###### together.

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 12 March 2014 - 10:08 AM, said:

Good call on the compensatory pick. Makes more sense letting him walk with that in mind.
Bills are still going to be signing people though.  Can they still get a comp pick?

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 06:24 PM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 12 March 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

Bills are still going to be signing people though.  Can they still get a comp pick?

Yea, but the signing of Corey Graham alone will make Byrd's comp pick not worth much. Can't justify the Byrd move even with the comp pick now since it'll be like 5th at best.

Signed Keith Rivers who is a bust out of USC. Hasn't really done anything important. Rotational at best. Will likely be the starter somehow.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 07:29 PM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 12 March 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

Letting Byrd go makes not signing Levitre even more of a head scratcher. We're just stockpiling cap space for nothing.  I wonder which of Dareus, Glenn, Spiller, and Gilmore will walk?

Grrr.  I still think our defense can be better this year than it was last year if we add a couple quality LBers.  It'll require Schwartz to have his ###### together.


Bills are still going to be signing people though.  Can they still get a comp pick?

This is the frustrating part.  During the  2009 Draft the Bills selected three very good players in Wood, Levitre and Byrd and only one is still on the roster.

And then there is Maybin... :wallbash:

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 07:47 PM

I get my hopes up all the time about the future of the Bills. There are bright spots in Spiller, Wood, Jackson, Glenn and half the defense. But when I sit down and really think about it I realize that this franchise is constantly separating itself even further from any chance at a Lombardi Trophy.

I just don't understand how it's humanly possible to be this consistently bad and get consistently worse. The decision making is atrocious.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 08:11 PM

View PostTankalicious, on 12 March 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

The more I think about it today, the more I realize that this team is farther away from the playoffs than it has been in a while. Manuel is terrible, the offensive line is even worse (they just signed a guy who has been one of the worst offensive starters in the league for a while now) and the defense will be a question mark.

As much as the defense improved last season you have to question what the loss of Byrd and Pettine will mean to its production.

You can keep stating your opinion of Manuel as fact but it still doesn't make it true Don't know you are wrong, just know its way too early. And before Pettine was the hot coordinator, Schwartz was even more so.
On the other hand, good thing you decided against betting on Glennon being better unless you think he will progress sitting behind McCown.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 08:21 PM

View Posttom webster, on 12 March 2014 - 08:11 PM, said:

You can keep stating your opinion of Manuel as fact but it still doesn't make it true Don't know you are wrong, just know its way too early. And before Pettine was the hot coordinator, Schwartz was even more so.
On the other hand, good thing you decided against betting on Glennon being better unless you think he will progress sitting behind McCown.

Again... Everybody states opinion as fact. Qualifiers like "I think" are pointless. Obviously if I'm saying it then it is my opinion, therefore the qualifier isn't necessary. Even "Peyton Manning is great" is an opinion, but you won't see anybody complaining when somebody doesn't qualify it as their opinion.

Glennon has showed MUCH more than Manuel. Obviously Lovie Smith doesn't believe in him, but that's an opinion. :P Doesn't mean that Glennon doesn't have a bright future if he's given another shot. I'd take him over Manuel right now without hesitation. I THINK that Manuel was a terrible decision. Period. He was a forced pick, and Buffalo will pay for it until its fixed. They don't have the weapons to hide his ineptitude, nor the offensive line to allow him to progress.

I defend the "blind faith" of Tim Murray that many people call it because Murray has the credentials. Manuel never had the credentials to warrant a high pick. The outlook on him would be FAR different if he were selected where most projected him and where he should've been... The third round or later. Instead, many fans show blind faith in him because he was picked in the first round.


Sorry, I've just been extremely annoyed about everything Bills related today. The Graham signing is the only move the team has made so far that'll have an impact. It's just watching other teams actually know what they're doing, have eight home games every year, somehow make big additions after their roster is already stacked with elite talent WHILE locking up their own players and all that has just made me realize how bad this organization currently is.

Edited by Tankalicious, 12 March 2014 - 08:30 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 09:50 PM

View PostTankalicious, on 12 March 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:



Again... Everybody states opinion as fact. Qualifiers like "I think" are pointless. Obviously if I'm saying it then it is my opinion, therefore the qualifier isn't necessary. Even "Peyton Manning is great" is an opinion, but you won't see anybody complaining when somebody doesn't qualify it as their opinion.

Glennon has showed MUCH more than Manuel. Obviously Lovie Smith doesn't believe in him, but that's an opinion. :P Doesn't mean that Glennon doesn't have a bright future if he's given another shot. I'd take him over Manuel right now without hesitation. I THINK that Manuel was a terrible decision. Period. He was a forced pick, and Buffalo will pay for it until its fixed. They don't have the weapons to hide his ineptitude, nor the offensive line to allow him to progress.

I defend the "blind faith" of Tim Murray that many people call it because Murray has the credentials. Manuel never had the credentials to warrant a high pick. The outlook on him would be FAR different if he were selected where most projected him and where he should've been... The third round or later. Instead, many fans show blind faith in him because he was picked in the first round.


Sorry, I've just been extremely annoyed about everything Bills related today. The Graham signing is the only move the team has made so far that'll have an impact. It's just watching other teams actually know what they're doing, have eight home games every year, somehow make big additions after their roster is already stacked with elite talent WHILE locking up their own players and all that has just made me realize how bad this organization currently is.

In my opinion, good writers qualify their statements with in my opinion.
Secondly, the top teams tweak their roster and keep their own but build mainly through the draft. Denver is desperate and will end up a mess once Peyton turns human again. What other good teams are spending wildly?
Thirdly, it's extremely arrogant to believe that all Bills fans are showing "blind faith" just because he was drafted were you don't think he should have been drafted.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:11 PM

View Posttom webster, on 12 March 2014 - 09:50 PM, said:



In my opinion, good writers qualify their statements with in my opinion.
Secondly, the top teams tweak their roster and keep their own but build mainly through the draft. Denver is desperate and will end up a mess once Peyton turns human again. What other good teams are spending wildly?
Thirdly, it's extremely arrogant to believe that all Bills fans are showing "blind faith" just because he was drafted were you don't think he should have been drafted.

I don't want the team to spend wildly. That's not my issue.

And AGAIN with this ###### reference to my career. Get off it. If you were a plumber I wouldn't criticize how much toilet paper in a public bathroom you use because it's not relevant nor is it my place. Good writers usually don't qualify with "in my opinion" because they either don't say it or stuff like that is reserved for op eds. You won't see it in anything but places where it's clear. Good writers usually do NOT qualify with "in my opinion."
This is an online discussion forum. Almost everything is opinion. You can't whine just because you disagree. You would NEVER argue with somebody who says "Ville Leino is terrible" and make them qualify it, because you agree with it. That simple.

Edited by Tankalicious, 12 March 2014 - 10:14 PM.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 05:52 AM

Good  communicators (an education-free term) do so in a fashion that most successfully gets their audience to understand the point they are making.  So far your style has resulted in more grief than success.  You play to the crowd in front of you.

I'll add, this format is not just op-ed.  It is a healthy mix of posted fact, opinion, and thoughts posted as fact even though they are opinion.  Without obvious clues or expressly stated intent of a post we are are left to decide for ourselves which category a post falls under.  In the end, the written word tends to get taken literally because we don't have anything else to weigh the words we see.  

And with that I am going to try like hell to avoid the temptation to continue this line of conversation.  Probably unsuccessfully.

Edited by weave, 13 March 2014 - 06:07 AM.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 06:20 AM

View PostTankalicious, on 12 March 2014 - 10:11 PM, said:



I don't want the team to spend wildly. That's not my issue.

And AGAIN with this ###### reference to my career. Get off it. If you were a plumber I wouldn't criticize how much toilet paper in a public bathroom you use because it's not relevant nor is it my place. Good writers usually don't qualify with "in my opinion" because they either don't say it or stuff like that is reserved for op eds. You won't see it in anything but places where it's clear. Good writers usually do NOT qualify with "in my opinion."
This is an online discussion forum. Almost everything is opinion. You can't whine just because you disagree. You would NEVER argue with somebody who says "Ville Leino is terrible" and make them qualify it, because you agree with it. That simple.

Actually my comment had nothing to do with your career. To me you are just another poster on this board. In my mind you have a long way to go before i consider you anything more. Like a lot of people from your generation, you write like you text and/or talk and I just don't find it very communicative . Just my opinion.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 06:57 AM

View Postweave, on 13 March 2014 - 05:52 AM, said:

Good  communicators (an education-free term) do so in a fashion that most successfully gets their audience to understand the point they are making.  So far your style has resulted in more grief than success.  You play to the crowd in front of you.

I'll add, this format is not just op-ed.  It is a healthy mix of posted fact, opinion, and thoughts posted as fact even though they are opinion.  Without obvious clues or expressly stated intent of a post we are are left to decide for ourselves which category a post falls under.  In the end, the written word tends to get taken literally because we don't have anything else to weigh the words we see.  

And with that I am going to try like hell to avoid the temptation to continue this line of conversation.  Probably unsuccessfully.

And twitter posts.  Don't forget about the twitter posts.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 07:56 AM

I honestly don't understand the Levitre situation.  Can someone amplify?  Byrd sat out part of last season.  It is easier to understand his departure.  Was Levitre not worth the money?  What did he do/not do that made him jetsam?

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:01 AM

View Postwjag, on 13 March 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

I honestly don't understand the Levitre situation.  Can someone amplify?  Byrd sat out part of last season.  It is easier to understand his departure.  Was Levitre not worth the money?  What did he do/not do that made him jetsam?
Two things I have heard discussed;

1) Bill's hierarchy does not place guard in the high premium position category
2) they were also concerned with his long term health prospects due to some existing condition
For whatever that's worth

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:14 AM

I liked 2 of the 3 signings today.  If the OL Williams pans out, it'll be great.  

We needed more depth at LB, and I'm guessing we'll draft one in the first two rounds.  

lastly, Byrd is a great safety, but $9+mil/year is a lot to pay a guy that has persistent feet problems.  Plantar Fasciitis is not something that is just cured, and for two seasons in  a row he's had the issue.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:24 AM

The Bills have said they don't value the guard or safety position. The near death of all their quarterbacks last year showed that they were wrong in not valuing the guard position... We'll see what the safety position has in store for this team. Easier to hide a bad safety.

It's almost like they're just going to keep saying whatever expensive free agents they have coming up are playing positions they don't value.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 01:15 PM

View PostTankalicious, on 13 March 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

The Bills have said they don't value the guard or safety position. The near death of all their quarterbacks last year showed that they were wrong in not valuing the guard position... We'll see what the safety position has in store for this team. Easier to hide a bad safety.

It's almost like they're just going to keep saying whatever expensive free agents they have coming up are playing positions they don't value.

Yeah, it's ridiculous. Until we have a franchise QB who warrants a 9 figure ($100 million +) contract we should never let a star player walk out the door because we can't afford to pay him or we don't think he's worth the money. Hell, even teams that pay out those big QB contracts manage to have a handful or other big money guys and they still manage to fill out the rest of the roster and stay under the cap.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 01:17 PM

Really it's almost scary how football comes right down to the QB position. Until you figure that out then everything else really doesn't matter.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 01:42 PM

View PostTankalicious, on 13 March 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

The Bills have said they don't value the guard or safety position. The near death of all their quarterbacks last year showed that they were wrong in not valuing the guard position... We'll see what the safety position has in store for this team. Easier to hide a bad safety.

It's almost like they're just going to keep saying whatever expensive free agents they have coming up are playing positions they don't value.

Then again, the relatively low franchise numbers for those two positions seem to indicate the rest of the league agrees.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 01:46 PM

View Posttom webster, on 13 March 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:

Then again, the relatively low franchise numbers for those two positions seem to indicate the rest of the league agrees.

They are saying they don't value these guys where the rest of the league values them. They aren't willing to pay them what the rest of the league pays premium players at their position...

Edited by Tankalicious, 13 March 2014 - 01:46 PM.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 03:13 PM

View PostTankalicious, on 13 March 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

Really it's almost scary how football comes right down to the QB position. Until you figure that out then everything else really doesn't matter.

Yep.

Byrd stays:  6-10

Byrd leaves: 6-10.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 03:16 PM

View PostClaude_Verret, on 13 March 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

Yep.

Byrd stays:  6-10

Byrd leaves: 6-10.

I really think Byrd would have gotten us up to 6-9-1.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:15 PM

My prediction right now for Buffalo is 4-12...
Likely losses: New England twice, at least two of four losses to the Jets/Dolphins, Green Bay, Chicago, Houston, Detroit, Denver, Kansas City, San Diego, Cleveland.





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