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#1 X. Benedict

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:09 PM

http://thehockeywrit...ospect-profile/


https://www.youtube....h?v=nzNrbR6WhQg

Edited by X. Benedict, 28 February 2014 - 08:10 PM.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:12 PM

Apparently pronounced "Cair-ee-AY"

Who was it that said we need more French Canadians?

Edited by Tankalicious, 28 February 2014 - 08:11 PM.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:13 PM

Seems like he's having a lousy year this year too.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:14 PM

From HF: http://www.hockeysfu...illiam-carrier/

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An all-weather forward who struggled with injuries in his draft year, Carrier combines good size with offensive skill and tops it off with a burning desire to leave it all out on the ice every night. He isn't afraid to play a physical style, or to take punishment in the corners or in front of the net to make a play, but has fallen victim in the past to trying to do too much on the ice. With great hands and a cannon of a shot, Carrier has already started working hard to improve his skating.

Sounds like a lower grade Zemgus, with a little less focus on Zemgus' strong backchecking.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:16 PM

Great compilation...looks like the guy has some great wheels! Thanks!

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:21 PM

Red Line Report on Carrier:

June 2013

"“We absolutely loved second rounder William Carrier and he was easily the draft’s biggest steal all the down at#57.Even with longterm injury absence, he was a no-doubt first rounder for us: a physical force who is big, competitive, coach-able, and a scorer.”

View PostRobviously, on 28 February 2014 - 08:13 PM, said:

Seems like he's having a lousy year this year too.

39 games played  12 29  41  -3   and he's missed 21 games.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:24 PM

View PostX. Benedict, on 28 February 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

39 games played  12 29  41  -3   and he's missed 21 games.
Then traded to Drummondville to score 15 points in 20 games?  These aren't eye-popping numbers for the Q.  Not that you can take the Q stats seriously, but you'd expect more from a scorer.

Maybe he'll seem better when he's healthy again and playing in a real league.

http://www.hockeydb.....php?pid=129676

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:30 PM

https://www.youtube....G0yt8K7148#t=18

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:32 PM

Seems like a low risk high reward guy.

Enough intangibles coupled with size that he could be a decent bottom 6 player if he turns out just OKAY.

Injuries really could have masked a diamond in the rough here as well.   Seems like he put a pretty big emphasis on improving his skating this year.  Nice to see individual drive like that from a kid his age.  You can never have too many kids with work ethics like that.

Edited by BuffaloSoldier2010, 28 February 2014 - 08:36 PM.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:33 PM

Carrier's development (and for that matter Stewart's play, if he stays with the Sabres) will be an interesting barometer of TM's talent evaluation skills.

I'm willing to give TM the benefit of the doubt and say that the blurbs/numbers look promising -- although I'm not that psyched about his apparent lack of speed.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:36 PM

Always thought this song sounded like it was about someone with the namesake of our new prospect



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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:40 PM

View Postnfreeman, on 28 February 2014 - 08:33 PM, said:

Carrier's development (and for that matter Stewart's play, if he stays with the Sabres) will be an interesting barometer of TM's talent evaluation skills.

I'm willing to give TM the benefit of the doubt and say that the blurbs/numbers look promising -- although I'm not that psyched about his apparent lack of speed.

Ya, the speed thing is a pretty big deal. The Black Hawks win with mostly speed, not size

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:41 PM

Coachable strong winger plus teddy is a chance I like. Mispronouncing your own last name? That's just bad form.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:43 PM

View PostX. Benedict, on 28 February 2014 - 08:09 PM, said:

He sort of looks like Briere

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:53 PM

The fact that this board, many members of which watch every hockey game they can, doesn't know this guy?  That tells me enough.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:55 PM

View Postbob_sauve28, on 28 February 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

He sort of looks like Briere

It'd be the ###### if Tim Murray's superpower was finding hidden talent like that.  Having a superpower is unlikely, but if TM had one, with his devotion to player evaluation, it'd be that.  Like a Super Scout.

"That's no ordinary 2nd round pick... it's a 90-point player in disguise!"

Edited by IKnowPhysics, 28 February 2014 - 08:55 PM.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:55 PM

View PostEleven, on 28 February 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

The fact that this board, many members of which watch every hockey game they can, doesn't know this guy?  That tells me enough.

You're so grouchy tonight. But yea, I'd like to think many among us have also heard of this guy.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 09:02 PM

View PostEleven, on 28 February 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

The fact that this board, many members of which watch every hockey game they can, doesn't know this guy?  That tells me enough.
I remember reading about him leading up to the 2013 draft.  But, like most of the 2013 picks, I stopped paying much attention when someone else got him.

Not a glowing endorsement but it's not like he's a total nobody.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 09:50 PM





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Posted 28 February 2014 - 09:55 PM

View PostEleven, on 28 February 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

The fact that this board, many members of which watch every hockey game they can, doesn't know this guy?  That tells me enough.

He is a 19 year old 2nd round pick of 2013 playing in the Q......

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 09:57 PM

View PostNumark, on 28 February 2014 - 09:55 PM, said:

He is a 19 year old 2nd round pick of 2013 playing in the Q......

That scares me more!  Liger watches the CHL like a dog guarding a meth lab, FFS!

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 09:58 PM

View PostEleven, on 28 February 2014 - 09:57 PM, said:



That scares me more!  Liger watches the CHL like a dog guarding a meth lab, FFS!

Haha.  But honestly this seems like the kid could develop into a hard working 3rd liner with playmaking skills.  Girgenson's future partner in crime on a line with Larson?

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:00 PM

View PostNumark, on 28 February 2014 - 09:58 PM, said:

Haha.  But honestly this seems like the kid could develop into a hard working 3rd liner with playmaking skills.  Girgenson's future partner in crime on a line with Larson?

Very well could be.  Where are the Sabs' future FIRST liners?  That's what I want, and I don't like Murray's suggestion that they're only available in the draft.

But yeah, that's nothing on Carrier, I guess.  I just really wanted Rattie coming back.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:03 PM



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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:11 PM

View PostEleven, on 28 February 2014 - 10:00 PM, said:



Very well could be.  Where are the Sabs' future FIRST liners?  That's what I want, and I don't like Murray's suggestion that they're only available in the draft.

But yeah, that's nothing on Carrier, I guess.  I just really wanted Rattie coming back.

I would've wanted rattie as well instead of carrier/2015 pick.  I agree with you, but if the blues weren't budging, we still got good value.  But yea just not win now value

Edited by Numark, 28 February 2014 - 10:11 PM.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:15 PM

View PostEleven, on 28 February 2014 - 10:00 PM, said:



Very well could be.  Where are the Sabs' future FIRST liners?  That's what I want, and I don't like Murray's suggestion that they're only available in the draft.


I don't think I've heard Murray say that.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:30 PM

View Postsizzlemeister, on 28 February 2014 - 10:15 PM, said:

I don't think I've heard Murray say that.

Today at noon.  The link is somewhere around here.  I'm just too tired to find it right now!

Edited by Eleven, 28 February 2014 - 10:31 PM.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:39 PM

View Postsizzlemeister, on 28 February 2014 - 10:15 PM, said:



I don't think I've heard Murray say that.

He kind of said it. Says you find them in the draft. I'd expect his opinion is like most people's: if they're a true first-liner they're not going to be traded

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:44 PM

Well, if we're looking on the bright side, Hockey Prospectus had Carrier ranked as the Blues' #3 prospect as of September 2013 -- and they said he has good speed:

http://www.hockeypro...?articleid=1581

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3. William Carrier, Left Wing
2011-12 Ranking: N/A
Date of birth: 12/20/1994
Age: 18
Height:6'2''
Weight: 198
Shoots: Left
Statistics: 34 GP, 16 G, 42 P (Cape Breton, QMJHL)
Acquired: Second round, 57th overall in 2013 by St. Louis
Year in Review: Carrier missed a significant part of the season due to an ankle injury, but when healthy, he was a pretty quality player.
The Good: Carrier is a really good skater, as he has an explosive first step and the ability to pressure defenders really well off the rush. He has solid ability with the puck, and he makes above-average plays as a playmaker. He has the physical tools in terms of size and strength, and he has the battle ability to be an asset in that area of the game. Carrier also has a very good shot, and he can score from mid-distance.
The Bad: Carrier's consistency is his most notable issue, as scouts note that he can disappear for long stretches. His puck skills are fairly average, and he could show a little better effort in his all-around play.
Projection: He could be a top-six forward, but he carries above-average risk.
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View PostTankalicious, on 28 February 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Apparently pronounced "Cair-ee-AY"

Who was it that said we need more French Canadians?

Does anyone remember the last Sabre who pronounced his name that way?

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:51 PM

View Postnfreeman, on 28 February 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

Does anyone remember the last Sabre who pronounced his name that way?

Regier?

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:53 PM

View Postnfreeman, on 28 February 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

Well, if we're looking on the bright side, Hockey Prospectus had Carrier ranked as the Blues' #3 prospect as of September 2013 -- and they said he has good speed:

http://www.hockeypro...?articleid=1581


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Does anyone remember the last Sabre who pronounced his name that way?

I know who you mean, but I'm proud not to remember seeing him play.  I'm not THAT old!

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:02 PM

Upon taking a closer look, this kid has a ###### ton of upside. Something Murray said in his press conference tipped me off... he said that they considered him to be a first round talent that had injury trouble the year before his draft, which lowered his draft position.  And it's true.

THW said he was top-30 initially, then lowered him only to 38th:

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Entering the season as a top-30 prospect for the upcoming 2013 NHL Entry Draft, left winger William Carrier saw his stock drop largely because of a high ankle sprain suffered on December 14th, 2012, that forced him to miss the remainder of the 2012-13 campaign.
Prior to the injury, Carrier had recorded 16 goals and 26 assists for 42 points in only 34 contests with the lowly Screaming Eagles.


CSS ranked him 18th among North American skaters in their Final 2013 Rankings, and listed him as an 'A' skater in their 2013 preliminary rankings (check out his peers in the 'A' category here).  Those final rankings put him above Max Domi, above Zadorov, above Lazar, above Morin, and well above Compher and Bailey.

If TM knows his young talent, this could turn out to be a much bigger piece of the trade than it seems on the surface.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:15 PM

The reason Carrier Big Stick dropped in the draft was due to injuries in his draft year.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:19 PM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 28 February 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

had injury trouble the year before his draft, which lowered his draft position.

View PostTankalicious, on 28 February 2014 - 11:15 PM, said:

The reason Carrier Big Stick dropped in the draft was due to injuries in his draft year.

Good call.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:21 PM

View PostEleven, on 28 February 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

The fact that this board, many members of which watch every hockey game they can, doesn't know this guy?  That tells me enough.

A pretty accurate summary.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:30 PM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 28 February 2014 - 11:19 PM, said:





Good call.

Thanks. My sources informed me that my information was accurate.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:50 PM

View Postnfreeman, on 01 March 2014 - 07:04 AM, said:

Well, if we're looking on the bright side, Hockey Prospectus had Carrier ranked as the Blues' #3 prospect as of September 2013 -- and they said he has good speed:

http://www.hockeypro...?articleid=1581


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Does anyone remember the last Sabre who pronounced his name that way?
Was too young to realize HE pronounced it that way.  We all pronounced it as carry-air.

He ended up getting traded for the worst lush the Sabres ever dressed.  Hopefully this one isn't fated that way.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:55 PM

This kid is starting to sound like Grigorenko Mark II.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 12:10 AM

View Postsizzlemeister, on 28 February 2014 - 11:55 PM, said:

This kid is starting to sound like Grigorenko Mark II.

The only similarities between the two is that they wear numbers that start with two.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 12:16 AM

View PostTankalicious, on 01 March 2014 - 12:10 AM, said:



The only similarities between the two is that they wear numbers that start with two.

That doesn't have to be a bad thing: Grigorenko came into the draft with high risk/high upside.  It could be like an experiment; the player being the control, the development the variable.