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#1 WildCard

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 02:51 PM

With the deadline only a two months away, and rumors already heating up, I figured it was time we created a separate thread for all trades leading up to the deadline so we don't clutter up others. Plus, wanted to have one place to discuss all rumors instead of two different threads.

Enjoy the poll, and the thread. I'm taking the last few relevant posts from other threads and putting them in here, just give me a second.

View PostLGR4GM, on 15 January 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

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The Oilers have been working the lines pretty heavily lately, I suspect we'll see at least one more move fairly shortly.

Seems that Edmonton is trying to make additional moves as their last trade doesn't really address their primary need of legit goaltending.  However if I had to think in terms of Buffalo, I would think Jhonas Enroth with another year on his deal would be more of a target for them than Ryan Miller.  Speculation on my part of course.

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WHO WILL THE NEW SABRES GM TRADE?
The Buffalo Sabres recent hiring of former Senators assistant GM Tim Murray as their new GM has some observers pondering the moves he could have in store for his new club.
CBC’s Elliotte Friedman reports Murray, in the press conference announcing his hiring, indicated there were no untouchables on his new team. However, teams with interest in young Sabres like Zemgus Girgensons, Tyler Myers or Rasmus Ristolainen should expect to pay a high price to acquire them. That should discourage any rival GM hoping to fleece Murray, who has years of front office experience with several NHL clubs.
Murray’s biggest challenge will be determining the fate of pending free agents like Moulson, Ott and goaltender Ryan Miller. Murray is expected to speak with Miller before the March trade deadline about re-signing with the Sabres. If the netminder intends to test this summer’s free agent market, Murray could shop him for the best possible return.
COULD THE PANTHERS LAND MILLER?
Harvey Fialkov of sun-sentinel.com notes Miller has family living in Florida, suggesting the Panthers could consider pursuing the 33-year-old goalie via free agency in July.

Vinnie Viola, the Panthers new owner, has given GM Dale Tallon permission to spend up to the cap ceiling this summer, which is projected to be $71.1 million for 2014-15. The Panthers currently have$40.4 million invested in 12 players, leaving them more than $35 million to pursue free agent talent like Miller in July.
It remains to be seen, of course, if the Panthers succeed in landing Miller or any of this summer’s top free agents. While they will bid competitively, that might not be enough to attract a veteran like Miller, who would likely prefer signing with a Stanley Cup contender. Indeed, Tallon should avoid pursuing veterans more interested in a big payday than in building a winner.
At the very least, the Panthers willingness to spend puts an end to speculation they’ll engage in a roster fire sale by the deadline.



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With the post-season now a realistic possibility for the surging Ottawa Senators, general manager Bryan Murray seems ready to make a deal.

"We are available to make a deal," he said in a conference call Tuesday.

However, Don Brennan of the Ottawa Sun writes that one of the prized names on the market, Buffalo Sabres forward Matt Moulson, may be a little too pricey for the nation's capital.

Brennan says one NHL executive believes a deal between the Senators and Sabres "makes sense", but another executive said the Sabres would likely ask for too much in the form of "a minimum of a first (round pick) and a top young player. And I'm not even sure they even want a first in this draft."

Moulson is making $3.13 million this year and is said to be looking for a long-term deal and double his current wage. The Senators likely won't be willing to give up the pieces or dollars for a deal going forward.

Edited by WildCard, 04 February 2014 - 07:38 PM.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:00 PM

My question would be... If the Oilers offered you their Conditional 1st rounder in 2015 for Enroth, the condition being he signs an extension next season, would you do it? You either get a 2015 1st rounder or you get a 2015 2nd rounder if he doesn't resign.  What is your play?

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Sounds like Craig MacTavish is hard at work today. Dubnyk trade to Preds and perhaps, more action on the goalie front. Stay tuned.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:02 PM

I went with Blues, Senators, Kings on question 1 and Blues for question 2. I think we trade Ott to the Kings, Miller to the Blues, and Moulson to Ottawa. Blues make the biggest splash with Miller and I'm guessing another trade with another team. We'll see how it plays out though.



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:07 PM

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Edmonton finalizing 1 more trade today. We shall see.

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Sounds like Ben Scrivens has been traded from LA to EDM, 3rd round pick headed back to LA.

Well there you go the market for a decent backup/possible starter GT is a 3rd round pick roughly.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:07 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 15 January 2014 - 03:00 PM, said:

My question would be... If the Oilers offered you their Conditional 1st rounder in 2015 for Enroth, the condition being he signs an extension next season, would you do it? You either get a 2015 1st rounder or you get a 2015 2nd rounder if he doesn't resign.  What is your play?

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Sounds like Craig MacTavish is hard at work today. Dubnyk trade to Preds and perhaps, more action on the goalie front. Stay tuned.

I don't trade Enroth unless Miller signs an extension first. If he does, I'd make the deal though.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:08 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 15 January 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

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Edmonton finalizing 1 more trade today. We shall see.

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Sounds like Ben Scrivens has been traded from LA to EDM, 3rd round pick headed back to LA.
Crap, well there goes a significant trading partner in the goalie market.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:14 PM

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Kings clear a bit more cap space by moving Scrivens to EDM (did so earlier by moving Carcillo to NYR). They're looking hard for scoring LWer

Paging Matt Moulson... Matt Moulson to Tim Murray's office, thank you.

Edited by LGR4GM, 15 January 2014 - 03:15 PM.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:21 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 15 January 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

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Kings clear a bit more cap space by moving Scrivens to EDM (did so earlier by moving Carcillo to NYR). They're looking hard for scoring LWer

Paging Matt Moulson... Matt Moulson to Tim Murray's office, thank you.

for what in return? a low 1st round pick?

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:24 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 15 January 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

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Edmonton finalizing 1 more trade today. We shall see.

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Sounds like Ben Scrivens has been traded from LA to EDM, 3rd round pick headed back to LA.

Well there you go the market for a decent backup/possible starter GT is a 3rd round pick roughly.

Gah!  I was just about to post about there being NFW anyone would give up a #1 for Enroth.

Even though it's a rumor thread -- I implore you to keep your pants on.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:31 PM

View Postnfreeman, on 15 January 2014 - 03:24 PM, said:

Gah!  I was just about to post about there being NFW anyone would give up a #1 for Enroth.

Even though it's a rumor thread -- I implore you to keep your pants on.
I said no rumor I asked a question.  The value for a backup keeper is a high 3rd round late 2nd rounder.  Is Enroth a backup?  That is question to ask yourself now.  The other question is what is Miller worth.

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Cam Ward trade is possible, but Carolina requires great return to consider in-season. He should return to action next week.

Okay what the ###### is going on?  There has been very limited trade talk up until now.  Now we have Cam Ward's name out there from a reliable source.  This could be highly entertaining.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:34 PM

The asking price for cross eyed mary is steep according to whats been said rumored.  I believe he will be moved but for less than what the brass wants

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:38 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 15 January 2014 - 03:00 PM, said:

My question would be... If the Oilers offered you their Conditional 1st rounder in 2015 for Enroth, the condition being he signs an extension next season, would you do it? You either get a 2015 1st rounder or you get a 2015 2nd rounder if he doesn't resign.  What is your play?

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Sounds like Craig MacTavish is hard at work today. Dubnyk trade to Preds and perhaps, more action on the goalie front. Stay tuned.
I don't think trading Enroth is worth it given the returns noted above for Dubnyk/Scrivens. We wouldn't be expecting anything more than a 2nd rounder. Why not keep him as a 'Goalie Purgatory' stop-gap until we are finally good. Trading Enroth assumes keeping Miller which throws a wrench into the tank in 2015 strategy. To me it's trade Miller or keep all goalies...

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:43 PM

View PostWildCard, on 15 January 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:

Crap, well there goes a significant trading partner in the goalie market.

Edmonton never had a chance to get Miller anyways, so it doesn't change anything for us.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:47 PM

Moulson to LA for Toffoli has been rumored

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:51 PM

View PostdEnnis the Menace, on 15 January 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

for what in return? a low 1st round pick?

View PostLGR4GM, on 15 January 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

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Kings clear a bit more cap space by moving Scrivens to EDM (did so earlier by moving Carcillo to NYR). They're looking hard for scoring LWer

Paging Matt Moulson... Matt Moulson to Tim Murray's office, thank you.
Sign me up for Martin Jones and a pick :beer:

View PostLoyalty, on 15 January 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

Edmonton never had a chance to get Miller anyways, so it doesn't change anything for us.

Figured for Enroth really, but that would only be if Miller resigned or we got a goalie to replace them both

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:25 PM

My semi-bold prediction: Matt Moulson plays in an outdoor game this season. For the Kings, Rangers or Senators. Would mean he would be moved soon.



And if Scrivens, an upcoming UFA with mediocre talent, can get moved for a third round pick then expect at least a first for Miller. If the market follows Edmonton, that is.

Edited by Tankalicious, 15 January 2014 - 04:26 PM.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:33 PM

View PostBills12Sabres11, on 15 January 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

Moulson to LA for Toffoli has been rumored
Toffoli was making some noise as a young forward toward the end of last year but I haven't heard anything buzzworthy from him this season. It's possible I don't follow LA/west coast hockey as closely but is he having a good year?

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:35 PM

View PostTouched by Boyes, on 15 January 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

Toffoli was making some noise as a young forward toward the end of last year but I haven't heard anything buzzworthy from him this season. It's possible I don't follow LA/west coast hockey as closely but is he having a good year?
17pts in 33gp for LA.  I wouldn't mind seeing him in our system.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:40 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 15 January 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

17pts in 33gp for LA.  I wouldn't mind seeing him in our system.
Plus he fits the young NHL player mold that I would be looking for to accelerate the rebuilding process a bit. Even with McDavid/Reinhart we aren't going to be playoff competitors if all of our players are less than 25yrs old.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:40 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 15 January 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

17pts in 33gp for LA.  I wouldn't mind seeing him in our system.

Yep I'd make that move if available.  You can only have so many draft picks and this year seems like a weaker class.  I also don't think too many teams are going to offer up their 2015 1st so let's see if we can turn Moulson into a young player with upside.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:40 PM

As far as Toffoli for a rental forward in Matt Moulson: LA fans would riot. He's still a very highly regarded prospect who hasn't broken through just yet. We'd be more likely to target the next crop of forwards they have behind Pearson and Toffoli. If we could get Linden Vey that would be awesome.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:43 PM

View PostTankalicious, on 15 January 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

As far as Toffoli for a rental forward in Matt Moulson: LA fans would riot. He's still a very highly regarded prospect who hasn't broken through just yet. We'd be more likely to target the next crop of forwards they have behind Pearson and Toffoli. If we could get Linden Vey that would be awesome.
Isn't that exactly the type of player that TM should be targeting? The ones that are on the precipice of NHL top-6 level but have yet to show it. That's what we brought TM and his player evaluation skills in to do.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:43 PM

View PostTankalicious, on 15 January 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

As far as Toffoli for a rental forward in Matt Moulson: LA fans would riot. He's still a very highly regarded prospect who hasn't broken through just yet. We'd be more likely to target the next crop of forwards they have behind Pearson and Toffoli. If we could get Linden Vey that would be awesome.
If Toffoli is not available, Zykov would be my next target with Vey a close 2nd to him. We will have to see what Murray will do.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:48 PM

And the goalie purgatory continues in Edmonton.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:50 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 15 January 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

If Toffoli is not available, Zykov would be my next target with Vey a close 2nd to him. We will have to see what Murray will do.

I'd put Vykov right there with Toffoli and Pearson as not available in a trade for a rental. I know that with Pearson and Toffoli multiple reporters have said there's no way they move them for anything less than a big package. I'd think that Vykov is there, as well.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:56 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 15 January 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

And the goalie purgatory continues in Edmonton.

Let's hope Ben can give Edmonton some better goaltending then they've had this year (which he should).  A few more Oil wins will certainly help #TankNation

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:59 PM

If we trade Moulson without getting him to telling us he'd resign here I can't see Miller resigning.

Toffoli & marginal prospect for Moulson and the Sabres 2nd rounder might work.  I wouldn't be willing to take players with 3 to 4 year wait periods.  I'd want at maximum players who'll be able to play for us in the 2015-2016 season along with "McDavid." Any later and you start making the Sabres, Bills 2.0 which = continuous rebuild.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 05:00 PM

View PostTankalicious, on 15 January 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

As far as Toffoli for a rental forward in Matt Moulson: LA fans would riot. He's still a very highly regarded prospect who hasn't broken through just yet. We'd be more likely to target the next crop of forwards they have behind Pearson and Toffoli. If we could get Linden Vey that would be awesome.

Could we toss in a 2nd rounder from this year as well to help sweeten the pot?  We have so many 2nd and you see so many traded at the deadline that we should be able to package some things together.  TM just has to identify who he wants to go after.  As for Toffoli I don't know much more than his stat line and I'm not up on Kings prospects but if he is worth trading for then we could try Moulson plus some pick(s).

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 05:09 PM

View PostDerrico, on 15 January 2014 - 05:00 PM, said:



Could we toss in a 2nd rounder from this year as well to help sweeten the pot?  We have so many 2nd and you see so many traded at the deadline that we should be able to package some things together.  TM just has to identify who he wants to go after.  As for Toffoli I don't know much more than his stat line and I'm not up on Kings prospects but if he is worth trading for then we could try Moulson plus some pick(s).


Tyler Toffoli 9g 8a in 33 games. However in his last 11 games he hasn't had a point. He put up 2g and 4a in 12 playoff games last year.  

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 05:15 PM

You'd think the Flyers would be looking for goaltending considering they have a couple of spaghetti strainers in net now.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 11:36 PM

View Postthewookie1, on 15 January 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:




Tyler Toffoli 9g 8a in 33 games. However in his last 11 games he hasn't had a point. He put up 2g and 4a in 12 playoff games last year.  

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And if I'm not mistaken has been sent down as a result.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 11:59 PM

I've been meditating on this a little lately.  I can't see how they possibly think any of Zemgus Girgensons, Tyler Myers or Rasmus Ristolainen would be on the market.  I consider Myers, Girgs, and, realistically, Hodgson, part of the new core.

I would like Miller and Ott to stick around to help the young guys transition for another season or two, at least.

Moulson, I think, should be traded for someone young with upside.  

I could see Stafford being traded for a small return just to move him somewhere else, maybe using that pick (assuming it's a pick) and someone like Ennis for a Hodgson/Kassian style trade.

I guess, other than the five I mentioned initially, I think anyone is up on the block, and I'd rather see a lot more warm bodies in return than just picks...unless it's a 2015 first rounder.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 01:21 AM

Stafford will get traded to montreal , they somehow like him there,   We'll get Briere + 2nd round or prospect in return.

Moulson is rumoured for Nashville, Ottawa and LA.   If its nashville I would try to make a trade for forsberg, maybe throw in Adam.

Miller i'd trade to washington for neuvirth + 2nd round pick.

Ott i would sign.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 07:10 AM

View PostHeimdall, on 16 January 2014 - 01:21 AM, said:

Stafford will get traded to montreal , they somehow like him there,   We'll get Briere + 2nd round or prospect in return.

Moulson is rumoured for Nashville, Ottawa and LA.   If its nashville I would try to make a trade for forsberg, maybe throw in Adam.

Miller i'd trade to washington for neuvirth + 2nd round pick.

Ott i would sign.

Don't think a rental and Adam will get you Forsberg. Miller I could see as a possibility. Stafford might get you a 2nd but not with a prospect. If you want a prospect probably wouldn't get much more than a 4th included with it. Either of those scenarios doesn't include Briere. I sign Ott as well.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 07:18 AM

So, talk this AM is that Matt Moulson may be the most highly coveted rental this season.  I find it interesting that the talk involved Moulson, Hemsky, and Setoguchi.  And that Vanek wasn't really mentioned.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 07:26 AM

View Postweave, on 16 January 2014 - 07:18 AM, said:

So, talk this AM is that Matt Moulson may be the most highly coveted rental this season.  I find it interesting that the talk involved Moulson, Hemsky, and Setoguchi.  And that Vanek wasn't really mentioned.

I have to give DR props on this. The Vanek trade is going to net is a big return.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 07:28 AM

View Postsicknfla, on 16 January 2014 - 07:26 AM, said:

I have to give DR props on this. The Vanek trade is going to net is a big return.

Personally, I hope we re-sign him.

edit- I mean I hope we re-sign Moulson, not Vanek.  F that guy.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:07 AM

View Postweave, on 16 January 2014 - 07:28 AM, said:



Personally, I hope we re-sign him.

edit- I mean I hope we re-sign Moulson, not Vanek.  F that guy.

For a split second I thought you meant DR.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:21 AM

View Postsizzlemeister, on 15 January 2014 - 11:59 PM, said:

I've been meditating on this a little lately.  I can't see how they possibly think any of Zemgus Girgensons, Tyler Myers or Rasmus Ristolainen would be on the market.  I consider Myers, Girgs, and, realistically, Hodgson, part of the new core.

I would like Miller and Ott to stick around to help the young guys transition for another season or two, at least.

Moulson, I think, should be traded for someone young with upside.  

I could see Stafford being traded for a small return just to move him somewhere else, maybe using that pick (assuming it's a pick) and someone like Ennis for a Hodgson/Kassian style trade.

I guess, other than the five I mentioned initially, I think anyone is up on the block, and I'd rather see a lot more warm bodies in return than just picks...unless it's a 2015 first rounder.

Yep, I like this analysis.  I know we're in last place but really this is our third season of the rebuild and there are key players emerging that I don't want traded.  The list is fairly short but I really don't want Gus, Myers, Risto or Zadarov gone from the team.  I would almost put Hodgson on that list as well.  Everyone else can be part of a deal and some I would miss more than others but don't trade the previously mentioned building blocks.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:46 AM

I woke up this morning saying trade 'em all.

Ehrhoff, Hodgson, Myers, Foligno, Girgensons, Pysyk, Ennis and our prospects are only going if another better young player is coming back.
But Moulson, Miller and Ott could be some contender's missing piece. They will be in demand. Auction them off. Get what you can, when you can.
Give them all hugs, tell them we will open up the chequebooks to bring 'em back in July. But move them now because their value will never be higher.

Depth defencemen are always in demand for a playoff run. Get what you can for Weber, McBain and Tallinder. We have better defencemen coming anyway.
If anyone thinks Stafford, McCormick, Konopka or any of our other pluggers has any value at all, take what they offer.
It's the only time we will ever get anything for any of them.

Sell, sell, sell. Hoard picks, prospects. emerging players, cap space and a few more pending UFAs we can sell off at the deadline next year.
Burn this place to the ground. Make sure we have a fast horse in the Eichel/McDavid derby.

Let the tanks roll.

Edited by dudacek, 16 January 2014 - 09:46 AM.






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