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#1 BuffaloBorn

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:54 AM

I feel hesitant labeling him as a "bust" simply because Buffalo didn't draft him themselves, but should we be worried about him potentially be damaged goods?

In 19 games played, Matt posts a .903 save percentage in the AHL.

How does that translate to NHL? I think not good

He was drafted in the third round (Jhonas was drafted 2nd round) so how high is his actual projected ceiling? Perhaps my expectations of him were too high when the Sabres first acquired him from Minnesota.



On the contrary, a big of an under-dog  in Nathan Lieuwen, he has been in net 13 times and posts a .913 save percentage after posting a statistical shut-out last night. (1-0 shootout loss))

Lieuwen was drafted in the 6th round.



I think Hackett was seen as the clear #1 from the beginning in Rochester... but even his very first night it was an 8-1 loss when I presume he was in net for.


What was your impression of Hackett when he was sent here?

Am I reading too much into this?

Probably the seasons not even over

But it makes for some great discussion

and will greatly entertain me.


I'm not too worried though there's plenty of other promising goalies in the system

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:59 AM

It's tough to gauge a goaltender on his AHL numbers since most AHL teams suck. .903 sv% seems pretty reasonable to me in the AHL.

I would also note the Amerks didn't have a very good start this year. That's not all on the goaltending.

Hackett hasn't shocked anyone. But we wont really know his abilities unless we give him ice time with the Sabres.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 12:07 PM

I have high hopes for makarov myself.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 12:42 PM

View PostHeimdall, on 21 December 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

I have high hopes for makarov myself.

Makhackarov ?

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 01:05 PM

When you trade your captain for a guy, it's ok to consider whether to call him a "bust."

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 01:20 PM

Give him a chance to play in the NHL for an extended period. He will get that opportunity unless Miller extends.

I'm higher on Makarov and Ullmark than anybody, but I think an Enroth/Hackett tandem is a decent stop gap to keep it somewhat respectable during a tank next season.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 02:06 PM

From the little I've read it seems like Hackett's pretty high-strung and the Amerks play Rn Rolston-style defensive system.
Not the best combination.

His pedigree — mostly his first taste of the NHL in Minny — was promising, but his tenure in Buffalo hasn't shown much beyond mediocrity.

He will get his chance in the spring after Miller is traded.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 02:32 PM

Lol at a bunch of forum posters assessing NHL talent.  Just wait and watch and we'll see.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 02:38 PM

View PostDoohickie, on 21 December 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

Lol at a bunch of forum posters assessing NHL talent.  Just wait and watch and we'll see.
Don't you know where you are? :P

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 03:59 PM

View PostSanta Claus, on 21 December 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

When you trade your captain for a guy, it's ok to consider whether to call him a "bust."

Abso-friggin-lutely.  Especially after so many talking/posting heads crowed about how DR robbed Minnesota in the trade.  So far, Minnesota has a really good player and the Sabres have 2 prospects (Larsson and Hackett) who have underperformed expectations (although it's way too early for any conclusions) and a third who looked promising but still got sent down to juniors.

View Postdudacek, on 21 December 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

From the little I've read it seems like Hackett's pretty high-strung and the Amerks play Rn Rolston-style defensive system.
Not the best combination.

His pedigree — mostly his first taste of the NHL in Minny — was promising, but his tenure in Buffalo hasn't shown much beyond mediocrity.

He will get his chance in the spring after Miller is traded.

This has the cold ring of truth, even to us optimists.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 06:00 PM

View PostSanta Claus, on 21 December 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

When you trade your captain for a guy, it's ok to consider whether to call him a "bust."
Well to be fair we traded our captain for a first round pick plus Hackett and Larson.  The pick looks like it may pay dividends.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 06:03 PM

Wait, wat?
We want a bust of Hackett in the atrium at FNC?
A little premature to crown him already, right? :angel:

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:35 PM

View Post3putt, on 21 December 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

Well to be fair we traded our captain for a first round pick plus Hackett and Larson.  The pick looks like it may pay dividends.

...plus a second this year.  Maybe that second rounder will turn into a Hall of Famer.  Hey, you never know!

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 11:50 PM

So far, yes.

The early returns on Zadorov and Larsson are good though. And that 2nd rounder is nice to have too.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 12:01 AM

There is no way you can see he has been a bust so far. He hasn't had a chance at all yet. There is no way for him to play without major injury or a trade and neither has happened.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 12:22 AM

View Post3putt, on 21 December 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

Well to be fair we traded our captain for a first round pick plus Hackett and Larson.  The pick looks like it may pay dividends.

That doesn't affect the point.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 07:30 AM

The first indication that the player may end being a bust is when the first reaction is "who in the hell is Matt Hackett?"

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 07:33 AM

Without a doubt,  it is too early to tell. Even if it wasn't too early I don't think he was brought here to be more then a starter in Rochester or a backup due to an injury!  So I would say,  even with his sub par play as of late he is not a bust!  Unless you had him penciled in to be a starter in Buffalo in the next couple years,  then I say you bust.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 08:07 AM

View PostNaulter8, on 23 December 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

Without a doubt,  it is too early to tell. Even if it wasn't too early I don't think he was brought here to be more then a starter in Rochester or a backup due to an injury!
I don't think any GM trades for a 22 year old goalie with the expectation that he'll only be a minor leaguer.

View Postdeluca67, on 23 December 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

The first indication that the player may end being a bust is when the first reaction is "who in the hell is Matt Hackett?"
I'm sure 95% of Sabres fans said the same thing about a certain back up goalie they got from Chicago back in the early 90's.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 09:48 AM

View Postdeluca67, on 23 December 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

The first indication that the player may end being a bust is when the first reaction is "who in the hell is Matt Hackett?"

From real hockey fans or from Jo Blow? Because I think most of us were aware of Hackett before the trade.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 10:18 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 23 December 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

From real hockey fans or from Jo Blow? Because I think most of us were aware of Hackett before the trade.

No doubt something Freudian in how you spelled that.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 10:32 AM

View PostSanta Claus, on 23 December 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

No doubt something Freudian in how you spelled that.

Oh my.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 10:40 AM

View PostSanta Claus, on 23 December 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:



No doubt something Freudian in how you spelled that.

My phone doesn't recognize the male spelling anymore :lol:

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 03:45 PM

I am not concerned at all. From what I read and heard, it sounds like winning is everything for him. He get's supermad if he doesn't win. That's actually something I like. He does go over the top at times but I am ok with that.

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 08:19 PM

View Postinkman, on 23 December 2013 - 08:07 AM, said:


I don't think any GM trades for a 22 year old goalie with the expectation that he'll only be a minor leaguer.



I would agree with you,  good sir,  If we had traded for the sole purpose of acquiring a goalie,  we wouldn't want a minor leaguer,  however in this scenario I think it was more of a take what you can get mentality!  Especially with leggio set to become a Ufa.  Perhaps there was aspirations he would become and nhl goaltender,  but in reality I think he is going to be nothing more then an Amerk!  Of course,  I could be wrong.  I'll double check with Darcy and get back to you


I'm sure 95% of Sabres fans said the same thing about a certain back up goalie they got from Chicago back in the early 90's.

Edited by Naulter8, 24 December 2013 - 08:22 PM.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 09:09 AM

Isn't the idea to get a lot of goalies so that one emerges as the best because, you know, scouting and drafting are not an exact science?

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 01:00 PM

View PostPromoTheRobot, on 26 December 2013 - 09:09 AM, said:

Isn't the idea to get a lot of goalies so that one emerges as the best because, you know, scouting and drafting are not an exact science?

Yup. And because goalie career trajectory is the hardest to predict.

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 01:09 PM

I think Hackett perhaps has the potential to be a reliable back up NHL goalie, that was my mind-set at the time.



Now he's seeming like a backup AHL goalie strictly based on his numbers, but think he'll be fine.

If he blows his starting bid at AHL starter next season, then I do believe we move on.

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 01:42 PM

Well i seen  him play in the spengler cup, well watched alot of the games  on tv i mean.  He let some easy ones go in, goals no NHL goalie would let fly by.
But Young kid, maybe having an off year, we'll see how it goes.  But i'd trade him at this point.

Edited by Heimdall, 12 January 2014 - 01:43 PM.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 12:42 AM

Too early.

Some goalies don't become a full time NHL starter until age 32.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 02:19 AM

View PostDoohickie, on 21 December 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

Lol at a bunch of forum posters assessing NHL talent.  Just wait and watch and we'll see.

LOL when the same posters haven't seen him play either. What a ridiculous comment to potentially label someone a "bust" after a couple months of play. Jeez!

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 07:47 AM

View PostPeppy22, on 23 December 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

I am not concerned at all. From what I read and heard, it sounds like winning is everything for him. He get's supermad if he doesn't win. That's actually something I like. He does go over the top at times but I am ok with that.

I heard yesterday that his inability to control himself resulted in some kind of meltdown that cost him some games and a visit to as Dr. That is not the mad that is good.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 08:01 AM

View Postbeerme1, on 15 January 2014 - 07:47 AM, said:

I heard yesterday that his inability to control himself resulted in some kind of meltdown that cost him some games and a visit to as Dr. That is not the mad that is good.
It was a counsel on anger management.  Not sure if it was team ordered or not.  (And we are taking Pham's word on this)

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:32 AM

BTW Spengler Cup doesn't count.

bigger ice... you see elite goalies have the same issues when the world cup starts on the IIHF ice. Enroth talked about it often.