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#1 Marcellus

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:24 PM

There are some very respectable posters on this board who have grievances against the current owner.  I was wondering what it would take for said posters to "bury the hatchet," so to speak, and treat this day like a new dawn.

For me, this gesture would necessitate Mr. Pegula putting full faith in Mr. Lafontaine to manage the hockey department for 3 years, in effect, becoming a yes-man to Lafontaine for a while, while he learns the ropes.

It would also include a spoken denunciation of the term 'hockey heaven.'  That sort of moniker comes after the fact.  Call it Hockey Haven, or something less blasphemous, till we get our third, at least.  

It would also include a reportable and complete withdrawal from all natural gas related activities, so that he can focus entirely on this new epoch in his life, as family man and owner of the Buffalo Sabres.  This is New York State, after all, and the politics of fracking are a complete distraction from the ultimate goal, of winning a Stanley Cup.

That's about all I can think of.  How about you?

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:30 PM

Well he certainly gets a pass for a good while now. The rebuild can go on without lamenting the cause.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:34 PM

I think Terry has seen the light so to speak. He did what he said he would do and gave DR a good shot to get things right but with a fan base that was crying for change he had to pull the trigger. This goes a long way for me in showing he is serious about his promise to the people of Buffalo that the ultimate goal is the cup first and foremost. I commend him for making what for him was probably a tough decision. GO SABRES !

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:35 PM

I'd comment, but Yuri asked for respectable posters.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:37 PM

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:41 PM

I'm a couple beers in, so posters that might have seemed objectionable to me sober, get a free pass now, dudacek.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:44 PM

View PostYuri Olesha, on 13 November 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

I'm a couple beers in, so posters that might have seemed objectionable to me sober, get a free pass now, dudacek.
Do they also get a pair of Kim's shoes?

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:45 PM

View PostYuri Olesha, on 13 November 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

There are some very respectable posters on this board who have grievances against the current owner.  I was wondering what it would take for said posters to "bury the hatchet," so to speak, and treat this day like a new dawn.

For me, this gesture would necessitate Mr. Pegula putting full faith in Mr. Lafontaine to manage the hockey department for 3 years, in effect, becoming a yes-man to Lafontaine for a while, while he learns the ropes.

It would also include a spoken denunciation of the term 'hockey heaven.'  That sort of moniker comes after the fact.  Call it Hockey Haven, or something less blasphemous, till we get our third, at least.  

It would also include a reportable and complete withdrawal from all natural gas related activities, so that he can focus entirely on this new epoch in his life, as family man and owner of the Buffalo Sabres.  This is New York State, after all, and the politics of fracking are a complete distraction from the ultimate goal, of winning a Stanley Cup.

That's about all I can think of.  How about you?

Your bringing in fracking to this is taking things too far from a hockey discussion. This place is for hockey, not political agendas. Take that schit to PPP over on the Bills side.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:47 PM

I'm even tolerant of you, now, grinreaper.  You actually seem funny to me now.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:07 PM

Back on course, though, I think that there were a number of legitimate concerns about the direction that the franchise was going.  The owner seemed out of touch or distracted, but I'm hoping that today marks the actual opening of the Pegula Era, though I still have my stated concerns, which could be easily ameliorated.  I'm just saying, that it's within my sights to forgive the owner for perceived faults if things go in the right direction.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:15 PM

View PostYuri Olesha, on 13 November 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

Back on course, though, I think that there were a number of legitimate concerns about the direction that the franchise was going.  The owner seemed out of touch or distracted, but I'm hoping that today marks the actual opening of the Pegula Era, though I still have my stated concerns, which could be easily ameliorated.  I'm just saying, that it's within my sights to forgive the owner for perceived faults if things go in the right direction.

Today is a day that renews faith. Wrongs will be righted and the truth eventually is divulged through nature.

As far as hockey goes, I believe Mr. Pegula wants to win a championship in Buffalo.

As far as anything else.....I use the 16 year lapse in justice that was instituted today as the law of the land. I am much more confident in talking of the former GM's motives than those of the current owner. Give me another 13 years and I will have a clue. :)

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:21 PM

How deep is this hatchet being buried?

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:30 PM

View PostAndrew Amerk, on 13 November 2013 - 11:21 PM, said:

How deep is this hatchet being buried?

As deep as we can get it to go into this shitappletree that Darcy planted.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:33 PM

It's been an absolute pleasure reading through your posts from today, Ghost.  It's been one of those days, where I couldn't post, but was thinking about the place, and I shouldn't single you out, because there were many awesome posts and it would be boring without so many different personalities on here.

To clarify, Mr. Amerk, the hatchet's not being buried until all of my demands are met.  I still wield the hatchet, of course, for I must give the impression that I'm entitled to some sort of negotiation with Mr. Pegula, otherwise, I wouldn't have any leverage when I ask him to reimburse me for motivating him.  The hatchet is the stick, and the carrot is the Stanley Cup.  Terry is the donkey, and I am riding him towards Delaware Avenue for the Parade.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:40 PM

View PostYuri Olesha, on 13 November 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

The hatchet is the stick, and the carrot is the Stanley Cup.  Terry is the donkey, and I am riding him towards Delaware Avenue for the Parade.

Sig worthy :worthy:

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:41 PM

View PostYuri Olesha, on 13 November 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

It's been an absolute pleasure reading through your posts from today, Ghost.  It's been one of those days, where I couldn't post, but was thinking about the place, and I shouldn't single you out, because there were many awesome posts and it would be boring without so many different personalities on here.

To clarify, Mr. Amerk, the hatchet's not being buried until all of my demands are met.  I still wield the hatchet, of course, for I must give the impression that I'm entitled to some sort of negotiation with Mr. Pegula, otherwise, I wouldn't have any leverage when I ask him to reimburse me for motivating him.  The hatchet is the stick, and the carrot is the Stanley Cup.  Terry is the donkey, and I am riding him towards Delaware Avenue for the Parade.

When is the parade?

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:42 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 13 November 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

As deep as we can get it to go into this shitappletree that Darcy planted.
Chainsaw may be warranted to felI it.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:44 PM

I'll tell ya what might finally be dead and buried:  the curse of Black Sunday.  

The Hockey Gods exact a terrible price when they let everything fall into place for you to build a beautiful team and then you wee-wee it away out of cheapness and arrogance.

But now the last of the perpetrators is gone.

Let it be written:  the curse is exorcised.

Hellspawn begone!  Do not darken our door again.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 08:13 AM

I worry still... I like Pegula. He seems like he cares and he wants to win.  What concerns me is how this all got started. 10 Days prior they met LaFontaine for Dinner during some league meeting. During the course of that T-Pegs is all drooling over LaFontaine and asks if he could be a GM (obviously thinking for the Sabres).  That indicates to me that Terry was thinking of making the change but may have only made it because he was all nostalgic... This could be entirely wrong but the timing is odd for the whole thing.  I think a change was coming but I think it happened the way it did because LaFontaine was available.

That being said, La Fontaine said he wasn't qualified to be GM which indicates he is a smart man who knows his limits and has no problem saying NO to Terry.  Glad the change was made and something about having LaFontaine seems right.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 08:48 AM

The idea of Lafontaine as Sabres hockey boss has been out there for months.
I don't think it just occurred to to Terry over concussion talk at dinner.
The team has been bad for a while and it would be highly unlikely Terry wasn't thinking about (and, to some select people, talking about) potential replacements for Darcy.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 08:51 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 14 November 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

I worry still... I like Pegula. He seems like he cares and he wants to win.  What concerns me is how this all got started. 10 Days prior they met LaFontaine for Dinner during some league meeting. During the course of that T-Pegs is all drooling over LaFontaine and asks if he could be a GM (obviously thinking for the Sabres).  That indicates to me that Terry was thinking of making the change but may have only made it because he was all nostalgic... This could be entirely wrong but the timing is odd for the whole thing.  I think a change was coming but I think it happened the way it did because LaFontaine was available.

That being said, La Fontaine said he wasn't qualified to be GM which indicates he is a smart man who knows his limits and has no problem saying NO to Terry.  Glad the change was made and something about having LaFontaine seems right.

I get the image of Uncle Terry as a dim bulb who is in way over his head running a professional hockey team. Just read his quotes...he sounds like someone who's had a lobotomy. He just doesn't know what he is doing.  After all this failure since he took ownership, how could he offer the GM position to an inexperienced guy who knew he wasn't even qualified for the position? Didn't Terry know too? I could just see him getting all teary eyed and sentimental assembling his fantasy Sabres dream team in his plastic bubble where unicorns and rainbows all come neatly tied up in a pink ribbon.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 09:28 AM

View Post716, on 14 November 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

I get the image of Uncle Terry as a dim bulb who is in way over his head running a professional hockey team. Just read his quotes...he sounds like someone who's had a lobotomy. He just doesn't know what he is doing.  After all this failure since he took ownership, how could he offer the GM position to an inexperienced guy who knew he wasn't even qualified for the position? Didn't Terry know too? I could just see him getting all teary eyed and sentimental assembling his fantasy Sabres dream team in his plastic bubble where unicorns and rainbows all come neatly tied up in a pink ribbon.

Hey, lay off Yuris avatar will ya.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:23 AM

View Postdudacek, on 13 November 2013 - 11:40 PM, said:

Sig worthy :worthy:

Thanks dudacek!  I wasn't sure if the donkey metaphor had any legs.  Pronto, Burro!  Onwards!  Hyah!  Hyah!

View PostAndrew Amerk, on 13 November 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

When is the parade?

Burro ensured me we'd make it in three years, but that was two years ago.  At this rate, I'm not sure that I can trust him to get me there in seven.  Get up, now, Burro!  Get! Get!

I've got a cell phone, with a solar charger, so I've been trying to schedule the necessary meetings, and make the necessary arrangements, en-route.  Needless to say, Donkey has not been entirely cooperative.  His latest misbehavior is sit down on his haunches, forcing me to dismount, refusing to move forward.  And he just keeps repeating the odd mantra: "There's no emperor, Yuri, no emperor, Yuri, nope, nope, no emperor, Yuri."  My burro's gone mental!

It's the Empire State, donkey!!,  George freaking Washington coined that, and he had a proper horse!!  If you don't want this hatchet buried in your backside, you better Get! Get!! Hyah! Hyah!!

"I'm a people's burro, Yuri, ask anyone I've worked with, burro of the people, people's burro..."  "There's no emperor, Yuri, no emperor.."  

Arrrrrrrghhh!!!

:wallbash:

Edited by Yuri Olesha, 14 November 2013 - 10:45 AM.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:26 AM

View Postnfreeman, on 13 November 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

I'll tell ya what might finally be dead and buried:  the curse of Black Sunday.  

The Hockey Gods exact a terrible price when they let everything fall into place for you to build a beautiful team and then you wee-wee it away out of cheapness and arrogance.

But now the last of the perpetrators is gone.

Let it be written:  the curse is exorcised.

Hellspawn begone!  Do not darken our door again.

Major presser at noon. LQ is back as senior advisor.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:29 AM

I follow you...

The good thing about Lafontaine is that he left NY after a month because he couldn't handle Wang. (I know...I know...)

Having gone through that episode, I hope he'd be a bit more cautious in his dealings. My guess is that Lafontaine feels he can deal with a little bit of Terry's cra-cra and feels he will be allowed to do his job. If Lafontaine jumps ship in the next year or so....then we panic.



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:32 AM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 14 November 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

I follow you...

The good thing about Lafontaine is that he left NY after a month because he couldn't handle Wang. (I know...I know...)

Having gone through that episode, I hope he'd be a bit more cautious in his dealings. My guess is that Lafontaine feels he can deal with a little bit of Terry's cra-cra and feels he will be allowed to do his job. If Lafontaine jumps ship in the next year or so....then we panic.

I agree with this post 100% except for the "cra-cra" usage, as to which I will emphatically observe that a grown man should NOT be using the same lingo that is used by my 10-year-old daughter and her friends.

Edited by nfreeman, 14 November 2013 - 10:57 AM.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:51 AM

View Postnfreeman, on 14 November 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:



I agree with this post 100% except for the "cra-cra" usage, as to which I will emphatically observe that a grown man should be using the same lingo that is used by my 10-year-old daughter and her friends.

I'm not privy to medical records.....how about we go with, Pegula's Je ne c'est quoi?

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:22 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 14 November 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

I worry still... I like Pegula. He seems like he cares and he wants to win.  What concerns me is how this all got started. 10 Days prior they met LaFontaine for Dinner during some league meeting. During the course of that T-Pegs is all drooling over LaFontaine and asks if he could be a GM (obviously thinking for the Sabres).  That indicates to me that Terry was thinking of making the change but may have only made it because he was all nostalgic... This could be entirely wrong but the timing is odd for the whole thing.  I think a change was coming but I think it happened the way it did because LaFontaine was available.

That being said, La Fontaine said he wasn't qualified to be GM which indicates he is a smart man who knows his limits and has no problem saying NO to Terry.  Glad the change was made and something about having LaFontaine seems right.

View Post716, on 14 November 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

I get the image of Uncle Terry as a dim bulb who is in way over his head running a professional hockey team. Just read his quotes...he sounds like someone who's had a lobotomy. He just doesn't know what he is doing.  After all this failure since he took ownership, how could he offer the GM position to an inexperienced guy who knew he wasn't even qualified for the position? Didn't Terry know too? I could just see him getting all teary eyed and sentimental assembling his fantasy Sabres dream team in his plastic bubble where unicorns and rainbows all come neatly tied up in a pink ribbon.

I'm glad that there is now a layer between Terry and the GM, and that that layer has a lot more hockey knowledge.  It may have been a bad thing for Patty to be GM and perhaps Terry got lucky that he was smart enough to know that, but the fact is that Patty is now the one that will hire the next GM.  I am far more confident that he will get it right than I would be if Terry were making the decision.  When Terry took over, I wanted him to gather a committee of guys like Pat Lafontaine and empower them to hire his next GM.  This is close enough, even if way, way late.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:29 AM

View Postcarpandean, on 14 November 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

I'm glad that there is now a layer between Terry and the GM, and that that layer has a lot more hockey knowledge.  It may have been a bad thing for Patty to be GM and perhaps Terry got lucky that he was smart enough to know that, but the fact is that Patty is now the one that will hire the next GM.  I am far more confident that he will get it right than I would be if Terry were making the decision.  When Terry took over, I wanted him to gather a committee of guys like Pat Lafontaine and empower them to hire his next GM.  This is close enough, even if way, way late.

Good post.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:32 AM

View Postbunomatic, on 13 November 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

I think Terry has seen the light so to speak. He did what he said he would do and gave DR a good shot to get things right but with a fan base that was crying for change he had to pull the trigger. This goes a long way for me in showing he is serious about his promise to the people of Buffalo that the ultimate goal is the cup first and foremost. I commend him for making what for him was probably a tough decision. GO SABRES !

Especially considering Pegula is eating a lot of money unless there are buyout clauses in Regier and Rolstons contract...he obviously means it when he said money is no obstacle

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:38 AM

View PostYuri Olesha, on 14 November 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

Thanks dudacek!  I wasn't sure if the donkey metaphor had any legs.  Pronto, Burro!  Onwards!  Hyah!  Hyah!



Burro ensured me we'd make it in three years, but that was two years ago.  At this rate, I'm not sure that I can trust him to get me there in seven.  Get up, now, Burro!  Get! Get!

I've got a cell phone, with a solar charger, so I've been trying to schedule the necessary meetings, and make the necessary arrangements, en-route.  Needless to say, Donkey has not been entirely cooperative.  His latest misbehavior is sit down on his haunches, forcing me to dismount, refusing to move forward.  And he just keeps repeating the odd mantra: "There's no emperor, Yuri, no emperor, Yuri, nope, nope, no emperor, Yuri."  My burro's gone mental!

It's the Empire State, donkey!!,  George freaking Washington coined that, and he had a proper horse!!  If you don't want this hatchet buried in your backside, you better Get! Get!! Hyah! Hyah!!

"I'm a people's burro, Yuri, ask anyone I've worked with, burro of the people, people's burro..."  "There's no emperor, Yuri, no emperor.."  

Arrrrrrrghhh!!!

:wallbash:

Yuri: seek help.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:39 AM

View Postnfreeman, on 14 November 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

Good post.

I'll second that emotion. Pat is our Horatio at the Bridge.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:30 PM

View Post716, on 14 November 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

Yuri: seek help.
Why? Why would you want to deprive the world of this?

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:38 PM

View PostSwampD, on 14 November 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:


Why? Why would you want to deprive the world of this?

Because 716 is hands down the biggest moron on this board?

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:46 PM

View Post716, on 14 November 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

Yuri: seek help.

All's well in my head, 716.  It is actually my fingers at fault for doing the typing.  They have a mind of their own sometimes.  They consider this a safe place, where they can act out their little fantasies in concert.  Get the 10 of them together, and it's like the monkeys are ruining the asylum.  

It's actually my own fault for not keeping them on shorter leashes.  I'll have a stern word with them, and let them know that their silly outbursts will no longer be tolerated. :(  Time to reign it in, boys, or it's back to the circus with you! :angry:

There!  I think that settled them.

So, I figure the Sabres are out of playoff contention this year, but can still make a respectable showing.  Next year, I think they might be looking at a 7 or 8 seed.  I'm hoping Nolan stays on with a new GM.

Edited by Yuri Olesha, 14 November 2013 - 12:48 PM.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:37 PM

View PostPASabreFan, on 13 November 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Cliff Benson will discreetly drop off a plain, unmarked box of Kim's high heels on the corner northwest of Aud's house.

Thanks. My day's shot at the mere thought of the same.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:55 PM

View Post716, on 14 November 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:



mind your own beeswax darkforce.

Good one Farva

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:57 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 14 November 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

Because 716 is hands down the biggest moron on this board?

I can't be hands down the biggest moron on this board as long as you keep signing in.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:01 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 14 November 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

Because 716 is hands down the biggest moron on this board?

View Postd4rksabre, on 14 November 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

Good one Farva

View Post716, on 14 November 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

I can't be hands down the biggest moron on this board as long as you keep signing in.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:16 PM

View Postcarpandean, on 14 November 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

I'm glad that there is now a layer between Terry and the GM, and that that layer has a lot more hockey knowledge.  It may have been a bad thing for Patty to be GM and perhaps Terry got lucky that he was smart enough to know that, but the fact is that Patty is now the one that will hire the next GM.  I am far more confident that he will get it right than I would be if Terry were making the decision.  When Terry took over, I wanted him to gather a committee of guys like Pat Lafontaine and empower them to hire his next GM.  This is close enough, even if way, way late.
I'm quite pleased that there is now a hockey guy overseeing the GM.

Pat may not know how to be a GM, but he knows enough about hockey to know if he's being fed a bucket of shinola.  He's passionate and will do a great job on the schmoozing side of being the boss.  Here's to hoping he gets the GM right.  I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he will.