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#1 Eleven

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:58 AM

Might as well start it.

Although I'd prefer someone with no previous ties to the Sabres, if we're going to have someone with previous ties, I'm glad it's him.  As most people here know, I'm not a fan of letting good coaches go, and he was a good one.  His work was incomplete when he left, and I'm glad he'll get a chance to resume it.

Edited by Eleven, 13 November 2013 - 11:00 AM.


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:02 AM

...and so begins the transmutation of the NHL team that hardly works into the Hardest Working Team in Hockey ™.

By the way, although I am doing a good job of controlling my emotions right now, I am officially stoked.

Woo Hoo!  :clapping: :clapping:
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:03 AM

I hope he breaks guys. Could you imagine Vanek under Nolan?

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:03 AM

I like Ted.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:09 AM

I agree with the OP's sentiment, and I'll add to that that Ted was a solid coach while here... and has done and experienced a lot in-between his stays.  One would think it can only help.  He's got the interim label, which I am also glad about.  Nothing should be a given at this point.  While they find the right hockey guy to work in concert with LaFontaine as GM, Nolan should be able to get these guys to work.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:10 AM

Also:  Ryan, hide Noureen NOW.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:10 AM

View PostEleven, on 13 November 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

Also:  Ryan, hide Noureen NOW.

California is a good hiding place.  Then again, she is hanging out with Charlie Sheen though, right?

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:12 AM

Welcome back Ted. Get us back to where we belong.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:13 AM

His teams regularly gave up 40 shots a game so some things won't change.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:19 AM

Can someone please fill us newer fans in on tr legend and history of this man?

If he likes defensively responsible hockey I have a feeling half our team will be sitting. I think Girgenson and Ott are our only capable forwards in their own zone (am I forgetting anyone else?)

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:22 AM

View PostThirtyEight, on 13 November 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

Can someone please fill us newer fans in on tr legend and history of this man?

If he likes defensively responsible hockey I have a feeling half our team will be sitting. I think Girgenson and Ott are our only capable forwards in their own zone (am I forgetting anyone else?)
I think the job is to help these guys become defensively responsible.  There's going to have to be some trust, some recognition that there will be failures along the way, and some semblance of putting people in a position to succeed.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:25 AM

View PostThirtyEight, on 13 November 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

Can someone please fill us newer fans in on tr legend and history of this man?

If he likes defensively responsible hockey I have a feeling half our team will be sitting. I think Girgenson and Ott are our only capable forwards in their own zone (am I forgetting anyone else?)

He likes hard working hockey.  During his tenure here, the team's motto/nickname was "the hardest working team in hockey."  He was a very good coach who won the Jack Adams award right before Regier was hired.  When Regier was hired, he offered Nolan only a one-year extension on his expiring contract, presumably because he wanted to evaluate him and get his own man in there if he didn't like Nolan.  Nolan rejected the one-year tender and was replaced with Ruff.

I was as unhappy with that situation as I was with the Ruff firing.  Nolan really was a good coach who got a lot out of some marginal players.

There also is a rumor that he was schtupping Hasek's wife.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:26 AM



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:27 AM

View PostEleven, on 13 November 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

He likes hard working hockey.  During his tenure here, the team's motto/nickname was "the hardest working team in hockey."  He was a very good coach who won the Jack Adams award right before Regier was hired.  When Regier was hired, he offered Nolan only a one-year extension on his expiring contract, presumably because he wanted to evaluate him and get his own man in there if he didn't like Nolan.  Nolan rejected the one-year tender and was replaced with Ruff.

I was as unhappy with that situation as I was with the Ruff firing.  Nolan really was a good coach who got a lot out of some marginal players.

There also is a rumor that he was schtupping Hasek's wife.

It's widely accepted that a new GM usually wants his own guys.  So I always wonder why people are so outspoken on getting rid of Nolan.  Hell, the team got a hell of a lot better after he left.  Could he have done the same thing?  Sure.  But I doubt he could have done any better.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:28 AM

I'm trying to remember back to how we played under Nolan and I recall a much heavier forecheck back in those days.  Does that sound about right to anyone?

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:30 AM

View Postshrader, on 13 November 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

It's widely accepted that a new GM usually wants his own guys.  So I always wonder why people are so outspoken on getting rid of Nolan.  Hell, the team got a hell of a lot better after he left.  Could he have done the same thing?  Sure.  But I doubt he could have done any better.

It's pretty odd that a guy who just won an Adams award gets swept away, no?  And of course I love the job that Ruff did with those 1998 and 1999 (and even 2001) teams, but 75% of this board seems to think those were "Nolan's teams" and/or "Hasek with 19 other guys," anyway.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:30 AM

View PostPotato, on 13 November 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

I'm trying to remember back to how we played under Nolan and I recall a much heavier forecheck back in those days.  Does that sound about right to anyone?

Speedy teams that liked to counterattack too.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:31 AM

You know what I'm excited for? Post game pressers with Teddy.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:31 AM

What I remember under Nolan was the team showed effort each and every night.  There was very little laziness on the ice.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:32 AM

View Postshrader, on 13 November 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

It's widely accepted that a new GM usually wants his own guys.  So I always wonder why people are so outspoken on getting rid of Nolan.  Hell, the team got a hell of a lot better after he left.  Could he have done the same thing?  Sure.  But I doubt he could have done any better.

Bob Swados' book tells the whole back story of Nolan effectively getting fired. There were two competing camps in ownership. The offer to Nolan was designed to be rejected. It wasn't Darcy being principled, it was Darcy doing as he was told, the genesis of the yes man.

Edited by PASabreFan, 13 November 2013 - 11:32 AM.


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:32 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 13 November 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

Speedy teams that liked to counterattack too.

###### teams that liked to fight a lot.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:37 AM

View Postshrader, on 13 November 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

It's widely accepted that a new GM usually wants his own guys.  So I always wonder why people are so outspoken on getting rid of Nolan.  Hell, the team got a hell of a lot better after he left.  Could he have done the same thing?  Sure.  But I doubt he could have done any better.

Nolan is only reason why Buffalo didn't fall into the abyss in '95-'96.  Hasek missed significant time that year if you recall.  We weren't world beaters, and ended up missing the playoffs, but boy, that team was fun to watch.  And we had Rob Conn, Brent Hughes, and Dane Jackson on that team....not a who's who of Sabre lore exactly.  Randy Burridge was our big time sniper.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:38 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 13 November 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:

Bob Swados' book tells the whole back story of Nolan effectively getting fired. There were two competing camps in ownership. The offer to Nolan was designed to be rejected. It wasn't Darcy being principled, it was Darcy doing as he was told, the genesis of the yes man.

Forgive my ingnorance PAS...what is this Bob Swados book you are referring to?

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:41 AM

96-97 Sabres had some tough players (Boughner, May, Barnaby and Ray) along with skilled skaters (Plante, Audette, Satan, and Holzinger) plus guys like Peca, Brown and Ward.  Good mix of talent. They hustled and hit.  Unfortunately the team hit a losing streak to end the season (some thing like 8 or 9 loses with 2 wins).  I think Nolan can turn this squad into a team like that quickly.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:42 AM

View Postbuftex, on 13 November 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

Forgive my ingnorance PAS...what is this Bob Swados book you are referring to?
"Counsel in the Crease." A really interesting, hard to read, cleverly written, self-indulgent book, but well worth trying to plow through. Some conspicuous factual errors bring doubt to the stories, but hell the guy was ancient when he wrote it. And he's since passed away.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:45 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 13 November 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:


Bob Swados' book tells the whole back story of Nolan effectively getting fired. There were two competing camps in ownership. The offer to Nolan was designed to be rejected. It wasn't Darcy being principled, it was Darcy doing as he was told, the genesis of the yes man.


I didn't know there was a book on that subject!  Why didn't they want to keep Nolan?

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:46 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 13 November 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

I hope he breaks guys. Could you imagine Vanek under Nolan?
Can you imagine Grigorenko under Nolan?

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:48 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 13 November 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

Can you imagine Grigorenko under Nolan?

I'd like to think Nolan and Roy are comparable.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:49 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 13 November 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

Can you imagine Grigorenko under Nolan?

Best thing to ever happen to the kid, IMO.

To be coached like he was in Quebec.


EDIT:

Damn you, d4rk ..........


:P

Edited by Sabres Fan In NS, 13 November 2013 - 11:49 AM.


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:50 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 13 November 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

I'd like to think Nolan and Roy are comparable.

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 13 November 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

Best thing to ever happen to the kid, IMO.

To be coached like he was in Quebec.
Maybe we will stop seeing Stafford rewarded for his crap play and start seeing Grigorenko rewarded for actually doing well.  I bet Girgensons and Tropp will look better too... imgaine that line... Girgensons - Grigorenko - Tropp

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:06 PM

Here's the real important thing to note on Nolan.  The Sabres let him go in 1997.  He didn't land another real coaching gig until Moncton of the Q hired him in 2005.  Now there are stories that he had random offers here and there, but what exactly happens to keep a guy away from coaching for 8 years?  This guy was poison, there's no doubt in my mind.  Hopefully he has straightened that out.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:07 PM

wait......... this is serious?

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:10 PM

View Postweave, on 13 November 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

wait......... this is serious?

stop it

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:12 PM

View PostEleven, on 13 November 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

stop it

I started form the bottom and worked up.  Had no idea for the 1st one and well... had some fun with it after.

And stop being so Angry Eleven.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:16 PM

View PostEleven, on 13 November 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

Might as well start it.

Although I'd prefer someone with no previous ties to the Sabres, if we're going to have someone with previous ties, I'm glad it's him.  As most people here know, I'm not a fan of letting good coaches go, and he was a good one.  His work was incomplete when he left, and I'm glad he'll get a chance to resume it.
  I agree I'm a big fan of Teddy. I think it's an interim spot to see how this team does under him and if it goes well then it's long term

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:17 PM

View Postweave, on 13 November 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:

I started form the bottom and worked up.  Had no idea for the 1st one and well... had some fun with it after.

And stop being so Angry Eleven.

I'm screwing around, too; no worries.

View PostSabresBillsFan, on 13 November 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

I agree I'm a big fan of Teddy. I think it's an interim spot to see how this team does under him and if it goes well then it's long term

He, like Ruff, has the ability to get the most out of a mediocre roster.  Not necessarily a horrible roster, which this one is, but a mediocre roster.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:17 PM

View Postshrader, on 13 November 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

Here's the real important thing to note on Nolan.  The Sabres let him go in 1997.  He didn't land another real coaching gig until Moncton of the Q hired him in 2005.  Now there are stories that he had random offers here and there, but what exactly happens to keep a guy away from coaching for 8 years?  This guy was poison, there's no doubt in my mind.  Hopefully he has straightened that out.
I don't buy it. He coached the Islanders as well. I like Ted and it seemed like they played hard under him for what he had to work with.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:20 PM

Wow; this ought to be interesting.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:26 PM

View Posthockeyhound, on 13 November 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Wow; this ought to be interesting.
It will, at least, be interesting.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:28 PM

For the record, I think that Ted Nolan was one of the most over-rated coaches in Sabres history. The whole "hardest working team" in hockey and the fighting were entertaining but his philosophy was basically let the other team take 75 shots at Hasek, block about 25 and then when they are frustrated and tired score a timely goal.
It was basically the rope a dope of hockey.
The notion that he worked well with younger players was also over blown. He worked well with marginal players who were grateful for the opportunity. He was knocked out of the playoffs largely because he tried to out tough the Flyers. The next year under Ruff, they utilized their speed and won rather easily.
All that being said, he is a good guy, a passionate guy and he can be entertaining for about a year and maybe with age and maturity he has developed a better feel for the X's and O's.
If the new GM is more progressive in his approach to the game, it would be surprising if he kept Nolan.