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Would Terry be loudly booed if he stepped on the ice before a game?

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#1 PASabreFan

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 10:21 AM

Key word is "loudly." Twenty people could half-heartedly boo Shirley Temple and make it sound pretty bad. I'm talking about a significant number of people booing like they mean it.

Edited by PASabreFan, 03 November 2013 - 10:22 AM.


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 10:27 AM

What has Terry done wrong?

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 10:30 AM

Given their level of indifference in times good or bad, I don't think the Chad and Buffy crowd would.

But that die-hard group of passionate fans would let TP have it with both barrels. As well they should if they are so inclined.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 10:30 AM

well it looks like i'm the first to vote and i did so before reading your post. i think there would be some catcalls but i don't think a full on assault would occur. Some of the season ticket holders would be well within their rights to let him have it but i don't think its acceptable for walkups to do it. I wouldn't feel right personally because i've spent little to no money on this team for a few years now.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 10:30 AM

View PostAssquatch, on 03 November 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

What has Terry done wrong?
For half a second, my blood pressure surged.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 10:34 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 03 November 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

For half a second, my blood pressure surged.
Of all people, I'd have figured you would be the first to get the reference.

Edit: coming up on 1000 posts. You all have time to plan something nice.

Edited by Assquatch, 03 November 2013 - 10:36 AM.


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 10:50 AM

I would hope not.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:02 AM

I say wait until after this rebuild to Booooo, if we get to draft the next Perreault this could be the best thing to happen to this team in years.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:02 AM

Another angle on this question is whether he should make an appearance. He sure enjoyed the attention when he got here. I'd applaud him for having the guts to show up on the ice. Not sure what the occasion would be — are the Sabres planning to put anyone into their Hall of Fame this season?

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:12 AM

Drew Stafford.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:49 AM

He's also the type that does his due diligence.  I were his advisor, I'd suggest that he strategically bring his wife and kids out with him.  Human shields.  I'd also suggest that he use an element of surprise.  In addition to the wife and kids it would be even better to add a wounded war veteran or two, or a kid from the Make-a-Wish foundation, and as many Sabres alumni as he can finagle.  

Otherwise, I'd advise him to limit his appearance to alumni night only.  Pack the ice with former players, their families, and stay out of the line of fire.  Try to hide in the crowd.  Say absolutely nothing.  If an innocent victim gets hit with a rotten tomato, then we make hay in the News the next day. And by all means, litigate, litigate, litigate!

For transit to and from the ice, to the private plane, etc, I'd advise him to have his handlers make inquiries into whether the old Pope-mobile can be rented weekly, or if it would be easier to just buy it outright. My services aren't cheap, Mr. Pegula, and I have a whole team of lawyers just waiting for your whole team of lawyers to infringe on my intellectual property.  Let's make a deal.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 12:55 PM

View PostAssquatch, on 03 November 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

What has Terry done wrong?

Well played sir.

View PostAssquatch, on 03 November 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

Of all people, I'd have figured you would be the first to get the reference.

Edit: coming up on 1000 posts. You all have time to plan something nice.

I just passed a grand. The celebration was disappointing.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 02:28 PM

What has Terry done?  Nothing. He hasn't appeared in public in months and his team sucks.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 05:06 PM

I imagine he would get booed loudly. I'd be worried if he didn't.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 06:29 PM

View PostClaude_Verret, on 03 November 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

I imagine he would get booed loudly. I'd be worried if he didn't.

That's more of a commentary on the fan base than it is on Pegula.  He's been nothing but great to this city.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 06:33 PM

View PostDStebb, on 03 November 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:



Well played sir.



I just passed a grand. The celebration was disappointing.
You got there a little faster than I did.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 06:44 PM

View PostEleven, on 03 November 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

That's more of a commentary on the fan base than it is on Pegula.  He's been nothing but great to this city.
This.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 07:04 PM

We don't know what a really bad owner looks like.  Even Rigas wasn't bad to us as an owner (he was a criminal in his spare time).  Go through the list of owners over time who are only interested in making a profit on their initial investment or have outright been horrible to their cities.  Jeffrey Loria, Art Modell and others make Terry look like a saint.  I forget the name of the Oilers owner (Pocklington maybe?), but he traded Gretzky for money.  The biggest complaint we can make is that he kept Darcy as GM.

Pegula has not only spent to the cap, he's also decided to plop his own money down on a portion of the city which hasn't seen private $ in eons.  On a project designed to bring new dollars to the region.

View PostPASabreFan, on 03 November 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

Another angle on this question is whether he should make an appearance. He sure enjoyed the attention when he got here. I'd applaud him for having the guts to show up on the ice. Not sure what the occasion would be — are the Sabres planning to put anyone into their Hall of Fame this season?

I've always wondered about this.  All that I want out of an owner is to create a good working environment, empower hockey people to make decisions and stay out of the way.  I have never understood the concept of expecting an owner to be an active part of the hockey operation.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:19 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 03 November 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

What has Terry done?  Nothing. He hasn't appeared in public in months and his team sucks.
He hasn't appeared in public in months and because his team sucks.

Pegula made his bed with Regier and is now covered with Regier's fleas.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:22 PM

View Postdeluca67, on 03 November 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

He hasn't appeared in public in months and because his team sucks.

Pegula made his bed with Regier and is now covered with Regier's fleas.

this.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:06 PM

View PostDR HOLLIDAY, on 03 November 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

I say wait until after this rebuild to Booooo, if we get to draft the next Perreault this could be the best thing to happen to this team in years.
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Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:22 PM

Wow.....Just........Wow

Send a negative message to a guy that loves hockey, made a mistake or 2 early on but is willing to work extremely hard to correct that?
Buffalo is all about hard work, it's supposed to be rewarded, not belittled.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:25 PM

If you're booing Regier, you're booing Pegula.  What's the difference?  Pegula is the one who said he wants Regier here, and he's the only one who can keep him here or let him go.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 08:55 AM

View PostEleven, on 03 November 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

That's more of a commentary on the fan base than it is on Pegula.  He's been nothing but great to this city.

I agree, but the fan base on the whole doesn't pay attention to or really care about the stuff he has done for the city.  I think Mother Teresa would get booed if she owned such a hapless hockey team.  Having said that, I'd like to slightly amend my vote, he probably wouldn't get roundly booed today if he showed his face, but come March if this season goes where it looks like it's heading I think he would.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:40 AM

I don't know that there'll be an occasion for it, but I think it'd fall short of "loudly".

For my money, it'd be people listening to their lesser angels to boo the guy.

The only thing an owner should be booed for is a lack of commitment. I don't think we see that in him. Some poor decision-making, yes -- but not a lack of commitment.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:31 AM

View Postsizzlemeister, on 03 November 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

If you're booing Regier, you're booing Pegula.  What's the difference?  Pegula is the one who said he wants Regier here, and he's the only one who can keep him here or let him go.

This right here. If you dislike Regier, you dislike Pegula. The only difference between the two is that Pegula has the chance, with a single press release, to become "not-Darcy-Regier", while Darcy will always be Darcy.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:43 AM

View PostGlass Case Of Emotion, on 04 November 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

This right here. If you dislike Regier, you dislike Pegula.

Disagree. I still have faith in Pegula; I have none in DR.

I can be sick and tired of DR (and I am), but patiently frustrated with Pegula's process and decision making (which I also am).

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:47 AM

View PostThat Aud Smell, on 04 November 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

Disagree. I still have faith in Pegula; I have none in DR.

I can be sick and tired of DR (and I am), but patiently frustrated with Pegula's process and decision making (which I also am).

Then you do not believe that DR is hopeless. The only reason you can forgive Pegula for his decision is that you believe that Regier has some chance of putting together a winner.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:05 AM

View PostGlass Case Of Emotion, on 04 November 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

Then you do not believe that DR is hopeless. The only reason you can forgive Pegula for his decision is that you believe that Regier has some chance of putting together a winner.
Or you think he'll eventually come to his senses and fire him?

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:07 AM

View PostGlass Case Of Emotion, on 04 November 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

Then you do not believe that DR is hopeless. The only reason you can forgive Pegula for his decision is that you believe that Regier has some chance of putting together a winner.

How about for buying the team from a guy who never was going to spend the money to stay competitive?

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:12 AM

View PostGlass Case Of Emotion, on 04 November 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

Then you do not believe that DR is hopeless.

Not true.

View PostGlass Case Of Emotion, on 04 November 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

The only reason you can forgive Pegula for his decision is that you believe that Regier has some chance of putting together a winner.

Not true. Why must I "forgive" the owner -- an inarguably (IMO) committed owner -- of my favorite hockey for a decision with which I disagree? My answer: I needn't forgive him -- he hasn't wronged me. He's going about things in a way that I find perplexing and at times infuriating, but it's his team. I'm a fan. In these circumstances, I can continue to hope for the best and have faith that he can get it right, eventually.

If I felt otherwise, I would check out of the Sabres-fan-thing entirely.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:35 AM

I don't really care if Terry gets booed or not.
To me Terry's worth will come when we have a good team and his ablity to keep those good players here.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:53 AM

With the money Terry is pumping into downtown and the local hockey scene, I'm giving him a pass on the Sabres at the moment.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:56 AM

View PostGlass Case Of Emotion, on 04 November 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

Then you do not believe that DR is hopeless. The only reason you can forgive Pegula for his decision is that you believe that Regier has some chance of putting together a winner.

Alternative: you don't believe that Pegula is forever married to Regier.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:32 PM

View Postsizzlemeister, on 03 November 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

If you're booing Regier, you're booing Pegula.  What's the difference?

Exactly. And, you reminded me of a Tom Petty interview I saw where he described opening up for Bruce Springsteen.  A friend of his (Jackson Browne) told him not to be bothered when he hears what sounds like boos during his set.  "It's just people yelling "Bruuuuuce!"  Petty's response was "Well, what's the difference man?"

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:51 PM

View PostEleven, on 04 November 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

How about for buying the team from a guy who never was going to spend the money to stay competitive?

So what?  He bought the team, and keeps them from being competitive by not making the appropriate staffing moves through whatever decisions he is making now, whether they're staff or otherwise. What does it matter the reason for being non-competitive if the reason is due to decisions by the owner?

Sure, one could say (but not argue) that "well, there's a chance Pegula can change his mind", but we could have easily given Golisano that chance, too (and we did).  There is no argument here, though, because it's only conjecture; the fact of the matter is that the team is not competitive under Pegula.  Actually, one could say the team was far more competitive under the "restrictive" ownership of Golisano.

Edited by sizzlemeister, 04 November 2013 - 12:54 PM.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 03:54 PM

View Postsizzlemeister, on 03 November 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

If you're booing Regier, you're booing Pegula. What's the difference? Pegula is the one who said he wants Regier here, and he's the only one who can keep him here or let him go.

View Postjohnyvegas, on 04 November 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

Exactly. And, you reminded me of a Tom Petty interview I saw where he described opening up for Bruce Springsteen. A friend of his (Jackson Browne) told him not to be bothered when he hears what sounds like boos during his set. "It's just people yelling "Bruuuuuce!" Petty's response was "Well, what's the difference man?"

that's a funny story about petty. to the original point: if you're booing regier, you're not (at least i'm not) booing the owner. if you're booing darcy, you are showing disapproval of the decision to retain him. if the position is that disagreement with a legitimate (even if dunderheaded) ownership decision is good grounds for booing an owner who's pumping scads of cash into the franchise and surrounding area, then i'm out (/loudly drops mic on the stage).

when i joined the "fi-re dar-cy!" chants a couple weeks ago, i wasn't by extension chanting "sell the team, terry!" or "pegula is a bum!"

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So what? He bought the team, and keeps them from being competitive by not making the appropriate staffing moves through whatever decisions he is making now, whether they're staff or otherwise. What does it matter the reason for being non-competitive if the reason is due to decisions by the owner? Sure, one could say (but not argue) that "well, there's a chance Pegula can change his mind", but we could have easily given Golisano that chance, too (and we did). There is no argument here, though, because it's only conjecture; the fact of the matter is that the team is not competitive under Pegula. Actually, one could say the team was far more competitive under the "restrictive" ownership of Golisano.


again, the idea that fans would feel moved to boo an owner, who is by all accounts committed to the franchise's success, based on the fact that they strongly disagree with a decision he's made (or hasn't yet made) is ... well, repugnant to me. really. i've come to realize that i would be deeply embarrassed if pegula were to be booed based on the grounds described here.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:14 PM

Okay, but it's still indicting Pegula when you chant anti-Regier chants.  It's still saying "Pegula, your decision sucks and I'm angry about it" regardless of your philosophical redirections.  And when you tell someone their decisions suck, you're saying their judgment sucks, and, fundamentally, they suck for making those decisions.  So, boiling it down, you are saying they suck, for whatever reason.

Regier is here because Pegula wants him here.  Period.  Booing Regier is booing Pegula.  I don't see how one can separate Pegula and his decision to keep Regier here, from Regier actually being here.  They are they same thing, especially given the context in which all of this is happening.

If fans are dissatisfied with the decisions, what other outlet do they have?  Okay, don't buy tickets, don't go to games.  Well, that's starting to happen, but it's not the instant gratification of simply conveying a simple message like a "boo" does.  And it's direct - there are no filters like any of the boobs on the radio or Ted Black, or ignores on Facebook or Twitter, email spam dumps, VM message systems, etc., etc.  Pegula gets the message loud and clear if he is booed.

While the investment downtown is nice, I think SABRE'S FANS want the Sabres to rock, not blow.  I think most of them are most concerned, by far (and for better or worse), with the performance of the team.  Seriously, we in the area have lived with a horrid downtown that is finally...finally...turning around with or without Pegula.  Pegula owns the Sabres, I suspect people want him to deal with that mess first.  And, it's pretty clear that the mess is getting worse than better.

Edited by sizzlemeister, 04 November 2013 - 04:19 PM.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:25 PM

View Postsizzlemeister, on 04 November 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

Okay, but it's still indicting Pegula when you chant anti-Regier chants.  It's still saying "Pegula, your decision sucks and I'm angry about it" regardless of your philosophical redirections.  And when you tell someone their decisions suck, you're saying their judgment sucks, and, fundamentally, they suck for making those decisions.  So, boiling it down, you are saying they suck, for whatever reason.


I agree that booing (chanting for the removal of) Regier is meant to be heard by Pegula as well.

But as for the formula of Decision sucks = judgment sucks = the person sucks - I won't go there.

I disagree with people plenty, even quite strongly. That doesn't mean that I equate their position with their personhood.

View Postsizzlemeister, on 04 November 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

If fans are dissatisfied with the decisions, what other outlet do they have?  Okay, don't buy tickets, don't go to games.  

Well, yeah.

View Postsizzlemeister, on 04 November 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

Well, that's starting to happen, but it's not the instant gratification of simply conveying a simple message like a "boo" does.

And there it is. If we were to carry the debate further, we'd be getting into social mores, maybe even metaphysics.

But you're probably more in line with how a good number of people think and would behave, if given the chance. I'm just one of those people who would be there lamenting that people would conduct themselves in that way.

View Postsizzlemeister, on 04 November 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

And, it's pretty clear that the mess is getting worse than better.

And I think that's the idea: Bottom out for 2-3 years, acquire elite talent and hit on some solid role players through mid-round 1st picks and 2nd rounders, and contend.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:32 PM

View Postsizzlemeister, on 04 November 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

Okay, but it's still indicting Pegula when you chant anti-Regier chants.  It's still saying "Pegula, your decision sucks and I'm angry about it" regardless of your philosophical redirections.  And when you tell someone their decisions suck, you're saying their judgment sucks, and, fundamentally, they suck for making those decisions.  So, boiling it down, you are saying they suck, for whatever reason.

If you own tickets and you aren't getting what you pay for, its right to complain. His judgment does suck on his GM loyalty. Otherwise he's a good owner. I think he can separate the two. I think he knows the teams record.