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Vanek Traded to NYI for Matt Moulson, 1st in 2014 (or 2015!), 2nd in 2015; 4 Months Later: Moulson to MN for 2014/2016 2nd Rounders


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#1 Robviously

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:29 PM

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Per @stapenewsday, #Sabres have sent Thomas Vanek to Isles for Matt Moulsin, 1st in 2014, 2nd in 2015.

Edited by Robviously, 05 March 2014 - 07:20 PM.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:32 PM

View PostRobviously, on 27 October 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

Kevin Oklobzija@kevinoDandC1m
Per @stapenewsday, #Sabres have sent Thomas Vanek to Isles for Matt Moulsin, 1st in 2014, 2nd in 2015.

Wow.  Was just going to post.  Finally one domino falls.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:32 PM

Boom!

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:33 PM

So I guess I can close that other thread then?

Someone needs to correct the spelling on Moulson though.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:35 PM

Moulson has some great numbers but is a UFA after this year??

http://www.hockeydb....y.php?pid=71387

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:36 PM

I don't like this one.  Moulson is the same age as Vanek and a UFA at the end of the year as well.  They could have done much better.  That said, I think Moulson will be shipped out by the deadline as well.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:37 PM

I'm seeing this everywhere, too.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:37 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 27 October 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

So I guess I can close that other thread then?

Someone needs to correct the spelling on Moulson though.
Done.  I copied and pasted from Oklobzjia.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:38 PM

I thought they would have gotten more.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:38 PM

View Postshrader, on 27 October 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

I don't like this one.  Moulson is the same age as Vanek and a UFA at the end of the year as well.  They could have done much better.  That said, I think Moulson will be shipped out by the deadline as well.
Yep.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:39 PM

So it probably is the Isles' 1st and 2nd for Vanek?  Ie much less than they got for Pommer?

Darcy must go.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:41 PM

Tank job!!!!

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:42 PM

View PostRobviously, on 27 October 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

Yep.
And unfortunately, now that he is Tavares-free, he won't continue at his early pace this year and his value will drop.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:43 PM

View Postnfreeman, on 27 October 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

So it probably is the Isles' 1st and 2nd for Vanek?  Ie much less than they got for Pommer?

Darcy must go.


Exactly.  This was a ripoff.  Moulson will be 34 by the time this team even means anything again.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:43 PM

Of course it would be less than Pommers as Vanek has less than a year left and everyone and their grandmothers know he's signing with the wild.  Question is, why would the Isles make this trade?  They're giving up a guy who put up 30 goal seasons in each of the last 3 full years.  Plus their 1st and 2nd?  I think we came out on top because now we can still flip Moulson at the deadline if need be.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:43 PM

With the team as bad as it is, does trading one good player for another really help improve the Win/Loss percentage?  They need to get rid of the bad players and get good players to replace the stiffs.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:44 PM

I'll have to pass judgment on this trade until i see how a few things pan out

1)Moulson's future here
         A) Does he resign? If he does, and produces similar numbers, I'm on board with it. But he won't have Tavaras, and if he doesn't plan on resigning to a rebuild, he may book.
          B) If it looks like he'll leave, and we trade him at the deadline, what do we get for him? We clearly have enough draft picks, it's time to shoot in another direction


2) How bad/good the Isles will be
           If the picks we received end up a top 10, which i doubt, then this is a fleece. Hopefully it's at least a top 15

3) Where does Vanek go
           It wasn't likely at all that he'd resign here, but he's going to a contender, so perhaps he'll change his mind if they contend this year. But if he looks across to Pommers, sees a good team, and leaves the Isles, what're we complaining about? The assumption, I had thought at least, was that Vanek was going to Minny next year, end of story. If the other GM's knew that, they clearly weren't gonna give up a lot for a two month rental. Darcy needed to trade him sooner rather than later in order for any team to be interested in sending a decent return. For a rental player, this doesn't seem like the worst thing ever.

Edited by WildCard, 27 October 2013 - 07:50 PM.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:44 PM

Wow, all the sites I'm reading think the Sabres just ripped off the Isles but of course here we got jobbed :wallbash:

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:44 PM

View PostDerrico, on 27 October 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

Of course it would be less than Pommers as Vanek has less than a year left and everyone and their grandmothers know he's signing with the wild.  Question is, why would the Isles make this trade?  They're giving up a guy who put up 30 goal seasons in each of the last 3 full years.  Plus their 1st and 2nd?  I think we came out on top because now we can still flip Moulson at the deadline if need be.
Just picture Vanek now that he will be skating with an elite center.  This is going to be fun to watch.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:44 PM

Consider it 2 firsts and a second (after we deal Moulson at the deadline).  Not a bad haul for a UFA who supposedly is destined for Minn.  A better haul than was gotten for Rick Nash, right?

I'm also betting Terry is paying a large amount of Vanek's salary to maximize the benefit.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:44 PM

View PostJsixspd, on 27 October 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

With the team as bad as it is, does trading one good player for another really help improve the Win/Loss percentage?  They need to get rid of the bad players and get good players to replace the stiffs.

That's why we also got the 1st and 2nd.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:45 PM

WOW, can you imagine what Vanek will do with Tavares as his center. Holy cow what threat that line will be.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:46 PM

The curse of being a Sabres Captain goes on...LOL...

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:46 PM

View Postnfreeman, on 27 October 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

So it probably is the Isles' 1st and 2nd for Vanek?  Ie much less than they got for Pommer?

Darcy must go.

They will then get a first or second for Moulson.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:47 PM

View PostEleven, on 27 October 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:




Exactly.  This was a ripoff.  Moulson will be 34 by the time this team even means anything again.
I doubt Moulson has much of a future here, he's in the last year of his deal as well, so the comparisons to the Pominville trade will have to include what they return for Moulson if he's dealt as well.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:47 PM

View Postshrader, on 27 October 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

And unfortunately, now that he is Tavares-free, he won't continue at his early pace this year and his value will drop.
Moulson's numbers have been good for a while so I think he should still fetch something for us by the trade deadline.

http://www.hockeydb....y.php?pid=71387

Edited by Robviously, 27 October 2013 - 07:47 PM.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:49 PM

Was just a matter of time. Moulson will be dealt for more picks by Darcy.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:49 PM

View Postsicknfla, on 27 October 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

They will then get a first or second for Moulson.

View PostLanny, on 27 October 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

I doubt Moulson has much of a future here, he's in the last year of his deal as well, so the comparisons to the Pominville trade will have to include what they return for Moulson if he's dealt as well.

And now it's a four-year rebuild instead of three, I guess.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:50 PM

View PostLanny, on 27 October 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

I doubt Moulson has much of a future here, he's in the last year of his deal as well, so the comparisons to the Pominville trade will have to include what they return for Moulson if he's dealt as well.
Everyone read what Lanny just said.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:50 PM

A joke that this organization allows a man who has failed at his job for 15 years to keep his job

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:51 PM

Jhonas chimes in:
Jhonas Enroth@JEnroth12512m
######! I'm not looking forward to play against the Islanders now! Good luck @T_Vanek26 on the island it was great to play with you! #wow

(Note: the board bleeped out the first word of his post.  It's "sh!t")

Edited by Robviously, 27 October 2013 - 07:52 PM.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:51 PM

View PostRobviously, on 27 October 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

Moulson's numbers have been good for a while so I think he should still fetch something for us by the trade deadline.

http://www.hockeydb....y.php?pid=71387
I'd also expect them to do it sooner rather than later because Moulson really doesn't make much sense with the rebuild.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:52 PM

I think the trade will be good for Vanek, a real centre  to play with……….If we can trade Molson Golden for some more picks, then it will be a very good trade for us in the long run.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:52 PM

Basically the  same price as Pommer's.
Moulson will be flipped for a Larsson, or another pick.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:52 PM

View Postshrader, on 27 October 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

I'd also expect them to do it sooner rather than later because Moulson really doesn't make much sense with the rebuild.
This almost feels like the first half of a three-way deal.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:53 PM

So...when does Miller go?



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:54 PM

View PostBuffalo Wings, on 27 October 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

So...when does Miller go?

I gotta feeling Miller will be gone by the end of the week....

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:54 PM

Let the suffering continue.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:55 PM

Yep.. point is Moulson is a 30 goal scorer when he has a center with him.  Other teams know that his numbers will go down with the Sabres but they'll expect them to pick up when they acquire him.

Vanek had little value except to a team that could go for it this year.  The Isles have the youth and are succeeding enough.  Truthfully, if all the Isles did was swap a 30 goal scorer with a 35 goal scorer do you think they won this trade?

Speculating what other teams might have given for Vanek is pointless.. they didn't do it.

What comes from here is what makes or breaks this trade.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:55 PM

I like the trade.  Moulson if he signs + some picks is better than I expected..

And Vanek has been freed.