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#1 d4rksabre

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:34 PM

At this point we know what Thomas Vanek is as a hockey player. He's got the scoring touch but can't be relied on to take a game over. He's kinda slow, doesn't forecheck, but is also strong on the puck when he does have it. Unfortunately I don't think he's ever had line mates that really complement his game.

So I put it to you. Build a line for Thomas. Use current team rosters if you want. Fit him into a lineup or find some players to play on the first line with him here.

Who would maximize Thomas's potential?

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:36 PM

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:48 PM

Ship him out, the sooner the better for the return. Let the tank and rebuild continue........

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:03 PM

I'm all for moving Vanek since I don't think there's any chance he'll re-sign at this point but before he gets shipped out I'd like to see a line of Vanek Grigorenko Foligno. I'd like to see what kind of playmaking abilities Girgorenko could make happen by playing with a guy who can actually put the puck in the net and Foligno would be a good compliment with his physicality and abilty to muck it up in the corners and in front of the net. They'd probably be disastrous defensively but I'd roll the dice on it just to see what happens.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:06 PM

Moulson-Tavares-Vanek

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:09 PM

Zadarov - Girgensons - vanek....





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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:13 PM

On our team? Hodgson and Foligno it seems right now would be the best linemates.  In the league?  Having a Dustin Brown type winger on the right side and a legit top line center and Vanek hits 50.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:54 PM

I assume you're talking about guys on our team, so here goes:

His center should be Hodgson (for his passing) and he needs a RW to rocket into the corners, dig the puck out, and get it back to either him or Hodgson.  That should be Girgensons, Foligno, or Larsson.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:56 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 27 October 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

At this point we know what Thomas Vanek is as a hockey player. He's got the scoring touch but can't be relied on to take a game over. He's kinda slow, doesn't forecheck, but is also strong on the puck when he does have it. Unfortunately I don't think he's ever had line mates that really complement his game.

So I put it to you. Build a line for Thomas. Use current team rosters if you want. Fit him into a lineup or find some players to play on the first line with him here.

Who would maximize Thomas's potential?
Ott at center and Foligno on the opposite wing.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 04:40 PM

View Postdeluca67, on 27 October 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

Ott at center and Foligno on the opposite wing.
Would certainly open up the most space for Vanek, but after watching Ott play with Hodgson and Vanek in the beginning of the season, I don't want to see him on the top line again any time soon.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 05:26 PM

Ott isn't a center and never has been. He said himself that he has rarely played center in his NHL career. He's a faceoff guy.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:28 PM

View PostDStebb, on 27 October 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

Ott isn't a center and never has been. He said himself that he has rarely played center in his NHL career. He's a faceoff guy.
If Rolston is playing Foligno at center, he probably wouldn't think twice about putting Ott at pivot.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:33 PM

I would rather discuss what we think we could get in return for him. Who he plays with now or in the future is irrelevant. Sooner the better.

The question should be who do you want to see as Cody's linemates? That is the question that matters. Who will be the two guys that bring the most out of him? I think he picks up on Vaneks laziness.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:34 PM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 27 October 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

If Rolston is playing Foligno at center, he probably wouldn't think twice about putting Ott at pivot.

If Ott was going to play center, he would've done it by now.

View Postsicknfla, on 27 October 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

I would rather discuss what we think we could get in return for him. Who he plays with now or in the future is irrelevant. Sooner the better.

The question should be who do you want to see as Cody's linemates? That is the question that matters. Who will be the two guys that bring the most out of him? I think he picks up on Vaneks laziness.

Yes.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:34 PM

Feel free to fit him into other team lineups as well. I'm looking for who everyone thinks are his ideal linemates. This is less about reality/trade proposals as it is meant to be a fun experiment in player evaluation by fans.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:43 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 27 October 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

Feel free to fit him into other team lineups as well. I'm looking for who everyone thinks are his ideal linemates. This is less about reality/trade proposals as it is meant to be a fun experiment in player evaluation by fans.

As far as my Moulson and Tavares idea, there are so many ways to go about a trade proposal for Vanek. I'd do Vanek for Strome straight up. Vanek for Nelson, a 1st and 3rd. Sundstrom, Nelson and a pick.

Prospects the Islanders have that I would want: Ryan Strome, Brock Nelson, Johan Sundstrom, Kirill Kabanov, Taylor Cammarata.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:45 PM

View PostDStebb, on 27 October 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:



As far as my Moulson and Tavares idea, there are so many ways to go about a trade proposal for Vanek. I'd do Vanek for Strome straight up. Vanek for Nelson, a 1st and 3rd. Sundstrom, Nelson and a pick.

Prospects the Islanders have that I would want: Ryan Strome, Brock Nelson, Johan Sundstrom, Kirill Kabanov, Taylor Cammarata.

I don't care about trades.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:52 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 27 October 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

I don't care about trades.

I don't care about lines on other teams. I don't really get this thread then. I'll just say put him on a line with Crosby and Malkin. The end.


Maybe we should just create one giant thread of Vanek and Miller FANTASY speculation (stuff that we just make up) and one giant thread of potential rumors involving them that come from sources/articles. That way to avoid semi-pointless threads like this.

Edited by DStebb, 27 October 2013 - 06:54 PM.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:59 PM

View PostDStebb, on 27 October 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:



I don't care about lines on other teams. I don't really get this thread then. I'll just say put him on a line with Crosby and Malkin. The end.


Maybe we should just create one giant thread of Vanek and Miller FANTASY speculation (stuff that we just make up) and one giant thread of potential rumors involving them that come from sources/articles. That way to avoid semi-pointless threads like this.

I'm sorry you don't understand the concept. This is about finding the best accompaniment for Vanek. I'd expect posters here to be smart enough to look beyond "oh just put him with  Kane and Toewes".

I know, trying is hard. I don't want ###### trade talk diluting what could be a nice exercise.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:28 PM

Vanek, Backes, Tarasenko? Just popped into my head, don't know much about Tarasenko though

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:44 PM

I guess this exercise is over.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:46 PM

View PostEleven, on 27 October 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

I guess this exercise is over.
I do enjoy the subplot of someone who has tried to police this board from the minute he joined.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:48 PM

vanek-tavares-okposo

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 08:03 PM

View PostBocceBall, on 27 October 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

vanek-tavares-okposo

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 08:03 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 27 October 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

I'm sorry you don't understand the concept. This is about finding the best accompaniment for Vanek. I'd expect posters here to be smart enough to look beyond "oh just put him with  Kane and Toewes".

I know, trying is hard. I don't want ###### trade talk diluting what could be a nice exercise.

Sorry. I just really felt an itch. I just HAD to talk about Vanek on the Islanders.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 09:01 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 27 October 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

At this point we know what Thomas Vanek is as a hockey player. He's got the scoring touch but can't be relied on to take a game over. He's kinda slow, doesn't forecheck, but is also strong on the puck when he does have it. Unfortunately I don't think he's ever had line mates that really complement his game.

So I put it to you. Build a line for Thomas. Use current team rosters if you want. Fit him into a lineup or find some players to play on the first line with him here.

Who would maximize Thomas's potential?

Slow?  Not sure about that.  I've seen his turbo jets come on once in a while.  I think the guy was uninspired on the Sabres.  I guess we'll see, now, if he comes alive.  You can't ask for much better than Tavares as your center.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 09:05 PM

View Postsizzlemeister, on 27 October 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Slow?  Not sure about that.  I've seen his turbo jets come on once in a while.  I think the guy was uninspired on the Sabres.  I guess we'll see, now, if he comes alive.  You can't ask for much better than Tavares as your center.

I wish the very best for Thomas. Who knows?  Like you say, perhaps he was just discouraged being saddled with such an awful, dead in the water team.  I would love to see him come alive on the Islanders and prosper.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 09:22 PM

Tavares is probably the ideal centerman for Vanek. Totally expect him to reach 40 goals in the near future if he re-signs there. As for his RWer, I'm not sure anyone on the Islanders would be my "ideal" choice. Kind of a cop out here, but I think Pominville's style suits Vanek's play pretty well. Otherwise maybe a speedy winger like St. Louis or a power forward like Dustin Brown.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 09:51 PM

I'm curious to see how he does for the Islanders. Could they actually think they're a cup contender with this add?

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 09:53 PM

View Postthesportsbuff, on 27 October 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Tavares is probably the ideal centerman for Vanek. Totally expect him to reach 40 goals in the near future if he re-signs there. As for his RWer, I'm not sure anyone on the Islanders would be my "ideal" choice. Kind of a cop out here, but I think Pominville's style suits Vanek's play pretty well. Otherwise maybe a speedy winger like St. Louis or a power forward like Dustin Brown.

I think Tavares might benefit more from Vanek than the other way around. Tavares is the better player, but Tavares is a goal-scorer more than a playmaker for others. Vanek's passing should suit him well.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 09:56 PM

View PostDStebb, on 27 October 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

I think Tavares might benefit more from Vanek than the other way around. Tavares is the better player, but Tavares is a goal-scorer more than a playmaker for others. Vanek's passing should suit him well.

Vanek's two-way play, which always has been good, will start to be noticed here.  Bank on it.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 10:27 PM

Maybe I should start a thread about Drew Stafford's linemates...

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 10:33 PM

View PostEleven, on 27 October 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:

Vanek's two-way play, which always has been good, will start to be noticed here.  Bank on it.

I think he'll be energized by this trade and get back to playing hard. Hasn't been doing that much lately.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 10:33 PM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 27 October 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

Maybe I should start a thread about Drew Stafford's linemates...

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 11:42 PM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 27 October 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

Maybe I should start a thread about Drew Stafford's linemates...

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 12:01 AM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 27 October 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

Maybe I should start a thread about Drew Stafford's linemates...

Drew Stafford- build a line

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 12:23 AM

View Postbunomatic, on 28 October 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

Drew Stafford- build a line
Just look at the pictures in the HC/GM thread and there you go, linemates for Drew.

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 06:59 AM

View Postbunomatic, on 28 October 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

Drew Stafford- build a line

Unemployment line?

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 07:16 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 27 October 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

I'm curious to see how he does for the Islanders. Could they actually think they're a cup contender with this add?

IDK but i'm thinking they think they are now more than just a 1st round exit. More moves coming I would suspect.

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 08:16 AM

View Postbunomatic, on 28 October 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

Drew Stafford- build a line

Build-A-Bear is more like it.