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#1 papazoid

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 06:50 AM

And just so you know, there was talk Wednesday afternoon that the Sabres were working on a deal with Edmonton that would send Ryan Miller or Thomas Vanek and possibly both to the Oilers in a package that would bring Nail Yakupov and more to Buffalo. Whether it actually happens is another story. But as it stood Wednesday, the two sides had considered, or were considering, a major swap.

http://www.buffalone...g-deal-20131016


(5' 11", 185 lbs , soft and absolutely plays no defense. sounds like the ideal player darcy likes.)

He’s looked lost without the puck and is guilty of trying to do too much individually when he has it. Eakins hoped to get his attention by benching him for a pair of recent games. Instead, a petulant Yakupov said, “I don’t really like playing without the puck, skate all the time and do forecheck and hit somebody every shift — I don’t think it’s my game.”

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Edited by papazoid, 17 October 2013 - 06:55 AM.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:08 AM

Thank you, but no thank you. We have Grigorenko who plays a very similar game, but was actually defensively capable in juniors

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:08 AM

No thanks.

PS: There's enough to get on DR for without making stuff up.  The guy traded for Zubrus, Torres, Mair, and numerous other players who are not soft and who play defense.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:13 AM

well... if that is how the kid thinks, I don't want him.  I know a lot of coaches think "i can fix him" but most of the time that doesn't work out.  I'm all for young potential but the kid has to want to change his game and it doesn't sound like he wants to.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:23 AM

We want number one picks, right?

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:26 AM

I'd much prefer to re-sign both Miller and Vanek but if we can't get them to sign extensions and we could move one of them (not both) plus some secondary type pieces for Yakupov I would be ok with it. We are extremely thin on the right side and we need players who can put the damn puck in the net. This would only work if we could give a line of xxxx-Grigorenko-Yakupov sheltered offensive minutes and put a left winger with them who is defensively responsible. I just think that if we're forced to unload one of our 2 best players I'd rather bring in an offensive talent like Yakupov then some combination of a mid to low first round pick and a couple of middling prospects.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:26 AM

Yakupov would be a great addition.  He will mature and has potential to be like Kovalchuk.  I"m guessing the deal is MIller and either Myers/Erhoff with us retaining some salary and taking a cap dump from Edmonton.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:32 AM

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For a good decade, Regier talked about the importance of having young players earn their way into the league and making sure they rode the AHL’s buses. They would be more prepared for, and more appreciative of, the NHL.

It’s one reason players like Jason Pominville and Brian Campbell developed into good two-way players. They were allowed to make mistakes in the minors, and they continued to improve after adjusting to playing with the big boys.

Regier has since made a terrible U-turn or become a hypocrite. His roster is loaded with kids who are either rookies who jumped straight to the NHL or young players who didn’t spend enough time in the minors. Looking at their record and seeing players regress, it shows.

Now let's see.  What happened between the time Pominville and Campbell were in the AHL and today?  The new CBA in 2005 which changed the entry level restrictions.  We've seen it league-wide since then, the increased importance of young guys who make the jump relatively quickly.

I don't have much issue with most Gleason says, but it seems like every time he tries to lump in everything he can to criticize Darcy, even when it makes little sense.  The problem with this team is not its use of young players, it's that they don't have to right veterans surrounding them.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:39 AM

I think I'd be on board with a trade for Yak that includes Miller as the major piece.  I don't know how much more I'd give up on top of Miller though if Edmonton was able to re-sign him.

He's obviously started out horribly this year and I admit to not watching too many Edmonton games (partly because I'm still pissed at them for the Vanek signing).  Looking at his stats though he scored 17 goals in the shortened year last season.  That equates to a 29 goal season if he played 82.  As a rookie, those are huge numbers and God knows after Vanek leaves we need a couple more pure goal scorers.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:41 AM

View Postshrader, on 17 October 2013 - 07:32 AM, said:

Now let's see.  What happened between the time Pominville and Campbell were in the AHL and today?  The new CBA in 2005 which changed the entry level restrictions.  We've seen it league-wide since then, the increased importance of young guys who make the jump relatively quickly.

I don't have much issue with most Gleason says, but it seems like every time he tries to lump in everything he can to criticize Darcy, even when it makes little sense.  The problem with this team is not its use of young players, it's that they don't have to right veterans surrounding them.
But Darcy has been here long enough where he's the one who chose those veterans. Heck, someone he drafted in his first year could already be retired by now.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:46 AM

Did someone say Kovalchuk? Ick. All fifty-goal-ish. Eww.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:48 AM

People in Edmonton are not the only ones worried about Yak... so are people in mother Russia - http://nhl.si.com/20...-has-no-future/

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:52 AM

Not a huge fan of Yak's game, but I guess it's a better return for Miller than a second-round draft pick :rolleyes:

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:53 AM

View PostSwampD, on 17 October 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

But Darcy has been here long enough where he's the one who chose those veterans. Heck, someone he drafted in his first year could already be retired by now.

And it is fine to blame him for that.  My point is not to make up BS reasons to throw blame at his feet.  That ruins your credibility.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:59 AM

Yakupov's cap hit is $3,775,000 this season and next. he is a RFA in 2015-2016.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:01 AM

View Postpapazoid, on 17 October 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

Yakupov's cap hit is $3,775,000 this season and next. he is a RFA in 2015-2016.

He's an RFA in the summer of 2015.  Listing that as 2015-2016 is just going confuse people unless you say PRIOR TO the 2015-2016 season.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:08 AM

One issue I have with this trade is that I don't trust DR to make any decisions for this franchise, especially a major one like this.

And I thought Bucky's column was a load of self-serving crapola.  "I know it seems like I don't have any sources inside the Sabres organization -- that's because I don't trust them."  Please.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:12 AM

I wouldn't have a problem dealing for Yakupov as long as the Sabres are only parting ways with a package centered around Vanek/Miller, and not surrendering significant assets.  They'll be lucky to get a high first round pick for either of them, and that's what Yak is/was.  Based on current media reports, there's obviously a risk with Yak, but there's the same risk with any mid-to-late round first round pick (especially in a weak draft like 2014).

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:15 AM

I would prefer not to give up Vanek in this trade.  Edmonton is desperate for Defense.  I would love to dump Myers on the Oilers.  Under no circumstance would I move Pysyck

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:22 AM

I can't believe I even clicked on this thread.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:40 AM

View Postnfreeman, on 17 October 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

One issue I have with this trade is that I don't trust DR to make any decisions for this franchise, especially a major one like this.

And I thought Bucky's column was a load of self-serving crapola.  "I know it seems like I don't have any sources inside the Sabres organization -- that's because I don't trust them."  Please.

I'm as done with Bucky as I am with Darcy.

shrader, nice point above re: entry level restrictions

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:52 AM

Selfish-no defence-ignores coach-puts himself above team and team mates, why not ? Just what we need and sounding more and more like Darcys type of player.

no thanks.

If he can change his game, sure why not.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:54 AM

View PostThirtyEight, on 17 October 2013 - 07:08 AM, said:

Thank you, but no thank you. We have Grigorenko who plays a very similar game, but was actually defensively capable in juniors

can the phrase "defensively capable" be used in conjunction with any player in the Q?

View PostPASabreFan, on 17 October 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

We want number one picks, right?


Ha. Well-played.

I know nothing about the guy, but getting an elite prospect (not an elite player, mind you) for Miller on an expiring deal plus a little something else would be a very nice return.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:58 AM

View Postpapazoid, on 17 October 2013 - 06:50 AM, said:

He’s looked lost without the puck and is guilty of trying to do too much individually when he has it.

I thought we got rid of Afenigenov?

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:13 AM

View Postbunomatic, on 17 October 2013 - 08:52 AM, said:

Selfish-no defence-ignores coach-puts himself above team and team mates, why not ? Just what we need and sounding more and more like Darcys type of player.

no thanks.

If he can change his game, sure why not.

How many great offensive players in history would that description fit? Did Mario forecheck like crazy, hustle back on defense and lay the body?

View Postnfreeman, on 17 October 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

One issue I have with this trade is that I don't trust DR to make any decisions for this franchise, especially a major one like this.

And I thought Bucky's column was a load of self-serving crapola.  "I know it seems like I don't have any sources inside the Sabres organization -- that's because I don't trust them."  Please.

That's a pretty gross distortion of what he wrote.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:20 AM

Bucky sucks and I don't believe the rumor...but in the ever so slight chance it's true, Yakupov is better than anything I ever dreamed of getting for Vanek or Miller.

Edited by TrueBluePhD, 17 October 2013 - 09:47 AM.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:23 AM

This wouldn't back up all the things they said in the past.

"Looking for players who work hard night in and night out and every day off the ice in the off-season." Yakupov does not strike me as this kind of player. Doesn't look like the guy who finishes every hit and hustles every second.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:26 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 17 October 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

That's a pretty gross distortion of what he wrote.

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It’s not much different inside the organization, where for years there has been a growing sentiment that he should be given the heave-ho. Are the same people who speak to me also speaking to Kypreos? It’s very unlikely. There’s a greater chance he’s getting his information from sources who are independent from mine.

Frankly, I don’t know if Regier is in trouble. The timing doesn’t make sense to me. If they were going to fire him, they should have made the move in May after seeing him spend more money on a team in reverse. Or they would have fired him when Terry Pegula bought the team, when people in his inner circle suggested he make a change.

But you should know several Sabres employees, who still work there, insisted in 2009 that reports of Pegula purchasing the team were bogus. One member of management had the audacity to tell me to stop getting my information from popcorn vendors. A few months later, Pegula bought the franchise.

Regardless, I learned a few years ago to stop listening to what the Sabres say and watch what they do. I’ve made the mistake of listening to the hierarchy in the past and been burned. I’ve come to ignore their message, allowing the results to speak for them.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:32 AM

I'm not hitting the nail on the head. I would pass on this trade. Sabres should have tried to get Sam Gagner over the summer instead.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:38 AM

View PostPeppy22, on 17 October 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:

This wouldn't back up all the things they said in the past.

"Looking for players who work hard night in and night out and every day off the ice in the off-season." Yakupov does not strike me as this kind of player. Doesn't look like the guy who finishes every hit and hustles every second.

Teams don't give up those type of players for players with expiring contracts. As stated many times before - we have minimal leverage in these deals. I would take him in a heartbeat.

The reality is Miller has about 50 games left in his Buffalo career. The kid scored 19 goals last year as a rookie. we don't have anybody on this team that will score 19 goals all year.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:45 AM

He is young and has tremendous upside.  He just needs to mature.  People complained about Kovalchuk when he was young as well and he turned into a great talent.  MIller is not going to net you a great return.  If Darcy makes this happen then I thin they will keep him thru the trade deadline to see what other deals he can make.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:53 AM

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"I’m not happy about it. I just want to play every game," Yakupov said. "I’m going to play my game … I’m not going to change but maybe play better without the puck, or forecheck more, but I love playing with the puck. I really don’t like skating all the time, and forechecking, and hitting somebody every shift. I don’t think it’s my game.

Does not matter if he scores 19 goals. This is not a quote of a player I would like to see on this team.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:56 AM

Must be no truth to the rumor. Otherwise the team would have made a statement saying it was completely bogus.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:56 AM

Well Ecklund is reporting the rumor which means that it won't happen.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:58 AM

View PostPeppy22, on 17 October 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:



Does not matter if he scores 19 goals. This is not a quote of a player I would like to see on this team.

He is young and, like most quote, could have been taken out of context. They even mentioned that the other night during the NBCSN telecast.

Here is the deal. He has proven talent. Give me my choice between him or a #1 pick in 2014 and it's a no brainer.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:12 AM

For or against, I would not get too worked up over this speculation.  Consider the source - Bucky Gleason.  I would be surprised if anyone in a position to know anything with the Sabres ever talks to Bucky.  He is not credible in my opinion.  From Edmonton's standpoint, why would they trade anything of value for two players who are highly unlikely to resign with them after this season.  It is not like this puts them in the chase for the cup this year.  Does not even make sense.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:12 AM

View PostPeppy22, on 17 October 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

Does not matter if he scores 19 goals. This is not a quote of a player I would like to see on this team.

Serious question for you and everyone else who will use this quote as a reason they don't want Yakupov. Would you take Briere in his prime right now? I'm not saying Yakupov is currently Briere in his prime, but Briere was utterly useless at everything other than producing offense, and he was beloved.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:17 AM

I'll take Yakupov over nothing, which is likely the alternative.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:19 AM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 17 October 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Serious question for you and everyone else who will use this quote as a reason they don't want Yakupov. Would you take Briere in his prime right now? I'm not saying Yakupov is currently Briere in his prime, but Briere was utterly useless at everything other than producing offense, and he was beloved.

Well I think they are 2 different players. One for me is a play maker and the other is a scorer. But to answer your question What I don't like about the quote is that he is basically saying "thats it and I dont wanna change it". I don't remember Briere being like "well I am not good on defense and thats never gonna change."

If Yakupov would have said... hey look the hard skating and hitting game isn't mine Ill try to improve here and be a more overall player but its gonna be tough.

That would have been a different story for me but it sounds like "I can not do that so I am not gonna try."

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:20 AM

View PostMDFan, on 17 October 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

For or against, I would not get too worked up over this speculation.  Consider the source - Bucky Gleason.  I would be surprised if anyone in a position to know anything with the Sabres ever talks to Bucky.  He is not credible in my opinion.  From Edmonton's standpoint, why would they trade anything of value for two players who are highly unlikely to resign with them after this season.  It is not like this puts them in the chase for the cup this year.  Does not even make sense.
because right now they are desperate for an upgrade at goaltending and feel they could be a playoff team with the upgrade. They need to start winning or else their fan base is going to riot
Yak is part of a surplus of young talented forwards that can be expendable to get back a missing piece, and he seems to have fallen out of favour with the current coach.

the Oilers best trade chips right now are their young forwards and its what every team is going to ask for from them. Miller is the best and most proven goaltender available that would provide them with a huge boost/upgrade, so if your going to have to give up something of value to upgrade that spot, Yak would be that piece.