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#1 kishoph

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:49 AM

According to Nick Kypreos, Darcy may be on his way out, supposedly the Sabres were going to wait till Christmas (why), but the decision may come sooner.

  http://buffalorising...n-the-hot-seat/  

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:57 AM

View Postkishoph, on 16 October 2013 - 05:49 AM, said:

According to Nick Kypreos, Darcy may be on his way out, supposedly the Sabres were going to wait till Christmas (why), but the decision may come sooner.

  http://buffalorising...n-the-hot-seat/  

FYI: http://forums.sabres...er/#entry514581

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:02 AM

Great news. I have to believe if Darcy is shown the door, the new GM might show RR the door also.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:03 AM

Who knows. I think any hockey analyst could say the same thing and it would have merit. Common sense says that he would have to be. Then again, common sense has not been a factor for 17 years.

Like we have all been saying the only way it happenstance is if we are so bad TP has no choice. A 3 or 4 game win streak is the last thing we need right now. The way things work around here last nights win might have saved DR a month. Tired of wanting this team to loose but again found myself hoping we lost in OT.

Edited by sicknfla, 16 October 2013 - 06:04 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:18 AM

I say they wait until after the trade deadline, so that the departure of miller and vanek is on darcy.

then the new GM can start fresh with the 2014 draft.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:30 AM

Jason Botterill? He's 37. What credentials does he have as a GM? Fitzgerald? Another first time GMer. I have no problem with making the change here at GM but don't have a rookie coach AND a rookie GM. The fact that this organization is in lockstep with the Penguins...it's like they have no mind of their own. And Pegula's loyalty to Black: "I'll leave the organization before he does." ...where does that come from? I never heard an owner say that about anyone in his organization.

Makes me have real hope for the future of this franchise. :doh:

Edited by 716, 16 October 2013 - 06:31 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:49 AM

View Post716, on 16 October 2013 - 06:30 AM, said:

Jason Botterill? He's 37. What credentials does he have as a GM? Fitzgerald? Another first time GMer. I have no problem with making the change here at GM but don't have a rookie coach AND a rookie GM. The fact that this organization is in lockstep with the Penguins...it's like they have no mind of their own. And Pegula's loyalty to Black: "I'll leave the organization before he does." ...where does that come from? I never heard an owner say that about anyone in his organization.

Makes me have real hope for the future of this franchise. :doh:

Terry's a low-information voter.

I think the subject line should reflect that a real sports news organization is reporting this. Let's give people hope. Otherwise, it looks like a subject line from 2002, 2004, 2008, 2011, 2012…

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:53 AM

I'd hire Dudley at GM and one of the younger guys for Asst GM

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:06 AM

FWIW the Sabres gave a statement to WGR this morning that there is zero perecent truth to the rumor.  Time will tell I guess

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:21 AM

I find the "leak" surprising and not believable.  No one saw the Ruff firing coming until it hit.  This doesn't strike me as how Pegula/Black operate.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:22 AM

Dudley/Botterill or Dudley/Fitzpatrick would not happen. Botterill/Fitzpatrick are a team that will not split up. So it's either Dudley or Botterill/Fitzpatrick.

I don't see that change happening but IF it would happen. I would have no issues with a "rookie" GM whatsoever. I think if you need to choose as a rookie GM if you wanna take over a team in rebuilding process or a team that is already a good one, I would pick the rebuilding team 9 out of 10 times.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:27 AM

View PostBRAWNDO, on 16 October 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:

FWIW the Sabres gave a statement to WGR this morning that there is zero perecent truth to the rumor.  Time will tell I guess

You know just once I would love them to make a statement that showed a little freaking life. How about "there is no truth to the rumor, however, as an organization we understand that our current product is unacceptable and all positions are under constant evaluation". Make some of these guys somewhat accountable. So sick and tired of this constant flatline crap.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:35 AM

View Post716, on 16 October 2013 - 06:30 AM, said:

Jason Botterill? He's 37. What credentials does he have as a GM? Fitzgerald? Another first time GMer. I have no problem with making the change here at GM but don't have a rookie coach AND a rookie GM. The fact that this organization is in lockstep with the Penguins...it's like they have no mind of their own. And Pegula's loyalty to Black: "I'll leave the organization before he does." ...where does that come from? I never heard an owner say that about anyone in his organization.

Makes me have real hope for the future of this franchise. :doh:
Botterill and Ftizgerald are assistant GM's in Pittsburgh so it isn't like these guys don't have NHL GM experience.  Also DR has been a GM for 16 years in Buffalo and where has all his experience gotten us?

PS Ted Black handles the business of the Sabres, making money and those types of things.  He isn't involved in the hockey decisions (players, contracts).  Terry saying that quote is easy to read.  Ted Black is running the Sabres Business just fine so why would he fire him?  DR is running the players side like crap so he might get fired but the two are mutually exclusive

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:42 AM

View Post716, on 16 October 2013 - 06:30 AM, said:

And Pegula's loyalty to Black: "I'll leave the organization before he does." ...where does that come from? I never heard an owner say that about anyone in his organization.

I missed this. Did Pegula say that in response to Bucky's parting shots about how Black's superiors were not pleased with his talk of "turd burgers" and such?

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:49 AM

View Post716, on 16 October 2013 - 06:30 AM, said:

Jason Botterill? He's 37. What credentials does he have as a GM? Fitzgerald? Another first time GMer. I have no problem with making the change here at GM but don't have a rookie coach AND a rookie GM. The fact that this organization is in lockstep with the Penguins...it's like they have no mind of their own. And Pegula's loyalty to Black: "I'll leave the organization before he does." ...where does that come from? I never heard an owner say that about anyone in his organization.

Makes me have real hope for the future of this franchise. :doh:

hmmm

Rookie owner, rookie GM, rookie coach and a team full of rookies...  What could possibly go wrong?

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:00 AM

View PostThat Aud Smell, on 16 October 2013 - 07:42 AM, said:

I missed this. Did Pegula say that in response to Bucky's parting shots about how Black's superiors were not pleased with his talk of "turd burgers" and such?

I read that as classic Bucky sour grapes -- i.e. TB told Mike Harrington to GTF over it in response to Harrington's temper tantrum at the season-ending presser, so Bucky responded by manufacturing a rumor about TB's bosses not being happy with him.

Bucky's never had a source inside the organization, but now suddenly he's got one regarding TB's job security?  Smells like BS to me.

As for the OP:  halle-freaking'-lujah.  Kypreos is a fairly credible source, so perhaps hopenchange are in the air.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:03 AM

View PostBRAWNDO, on 16 October 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:

FWIW the Sabres gave a statement to WGR this morning that there is zero perecent truth to the rumor.  Time will tell I guess

View Postnfreeman, on 16 October 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

As for the OP:  halle-freaking'-lujah.  Kypreos is a fairly credible source, so perhaps hopenchange are in the air.
http://www.wgr550.co...ruth--/17538137

As already mentioned WGR550 reached out to the Sabres to ask about it.  Now of course the Sabres said there is 0 truth to that rumor but honestly who knows.  Could be smoke without fire like a lot of NHL rumors. We will have to wait and see.  I think it depends on the plan that DR sold to Pegula.  If that plan is failing TP could pull the trigger and fire him.  I want to believe this rumor but I just can't.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:16 AM

Too bad Brian Burke is in the process of turning another perennial loser into a playoff team. I would love a GM with stones like that around here...

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:17 AM

The only way the fans can make a statement is to stop watching the games; ratings are everything.

I don't know how much of this is true; however, I believe someone said that there were chants at the game of fire Darcy.

I don't know how firing Darcy would make the team play better but, it sounds like people have decided that if we are going to be forced into rebuild mode, then the guy responsible for making the decisions that brought us to this point should be gone too.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:19 AM

View PostBRAWNDO, on 16 October 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:

FWIW the Sabres gave a statement to WGR this morning that there is zero perecent truth to the rumor.  Time will tell I guess

I did hear this, but they said the same thing about Lindy Ruff being replaced. One interesting thing that was mentioned is that both of the possible replacements listed by Kypreos have ties to Ken Sawyer (who Kypreos called the President of the Sabres), but it has been said that Sawyer is a supporter of Regier. How much Sawyer has in this kind of decision, I don't know, but it could tie in to a move being made or not being made.

Could Regier being replaced have an influence on Miller and Vanek wanting to remain with the Sabres ?

Edited by kishoph, 16 October 2013 - 08:21 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:30 AM

View Postkishoph, on 16 October 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

I did hear this, but they said the same thing about Lindy Ruff being replaced. One interesting thing that was mentioned is that both of the possible replacements listed by Kypreos have ties to Ken Sawyer (who Kypreos called the President of the Sabres), but it has been said that Sawyer is a supporter of Regier. How much Sawyer has in this kind of decision, I don't know, but it could tie in to a move being made or not being made.

Could Regier being replaced have an influence on Miller and Vanek wanting to remain with the Sabres ?

No.  They will be either grossly overpaid or gone.  At these points in their careers, they want to win.

Edited by Eleven, 16 October 2013 - 08:30 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:02 AM

Eventually everything runs its course, but until the guy that's been Sabres GM for over 1/3 of my life and the entirety of my kids' lives is actually gone, I won't expect it.

As for missing out on Burke, no biggie.  If we're lamenting 'fish that got away' I'd rather lament missing out on Dean Lombardi.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:12 AM

The sabres must bring in Rick Dudley if they fire Darcy.  He has experience and has had success in accumulating talent in Atlanta without ownership support.  The pittsburg front office had the huge fortune of Crosby and Malkin and having Mario Lemeux in the front office as well.  With those guys building a winner is easier.  I think it would be a huge error to bring in an inexperienced GM.  Shero was making the decisions in pittsburg.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:13 AM

View PostCallawaySabres, on 16 October 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

Too bad Brian Burke is in the process of turning another perennial loser into a playoff team. I would love a GM with stones like that around here...

Burke would give this organization a major turn around. He's exactly what this team needs. I know people have questioned some of his trades and signing but at least he has the balls to make moves for players he wants even if he has to overpay. Nonis is reaping the benefits of his work.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:18 AM

View Postfreester, on 16 October 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

The sabres must bring in Rick Dudley if they fire Darcy.  He has experience and has had success in accumulating talent in Atlanta without ownership support.  The pittsburg front office had the huge fortune of Crosby and Malkin and having Mario Lemeux in the front office as well.  With those guys building a winner is easier.  I think it would be a huge error to bring in an inexperienced GM.  Shero was making the decisions in pittsburg.

Part of me wants someone with no ties whatsoever to the organization, but if it's going to be someone with ties, I guess Duds is about right.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:28 AM

Burke is a retread and an ass to boot.
Give me a hungry young guy with a history in a successful organization please.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:30 AM

Really don't want to get my hopes up, and it's absolutely possible Kypreos unintentionally used certain language...but listen to that language he uses. That's not the typical speculative language you hear when "hot seat" conversations happen.

Edited by TrueBluePhD, 16 October 2013 - 09:31 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:36 AM

I think the denial by the organization is only going to make the "Fire Darcy" chants even louder and more frequent at the games.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:40 AM

Just give me someone with a fire in their ass. Someone who is going to tell TP loosing is not an option. Give me someone who wants to win NOW not in 3 years. Just give us freaking SOMETHING!! Best case scenario we win the cup in 3 years with DR (that's not happening BTW). That was 20 years this guy was allowed to run this team. For 3 different owners.

We fired the coach, we have gotten rid of many captains, under achievers, etc. Yet, somehow this guy is bullet proof. For the life of me I just don't get it.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:17 AM

View PostSabresBillsFan, on 16 October 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

Burke would give this organization a major turn around. He's exactly what this team needs. I know people have questioned some of his trades and signing but at least he has the balls to make moves for players he wants even if he has to overpay. Nonis is reaping the benefits of his work.

As Burkie famously said after T.O exit sometimes someone else gets to come in and eat the dinner you prepared LOL.
But I would pass on him and don't think his act would work here at all anyway. Give me Duds. He did it in Atlanta and built Chicago up as well don't forget.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:19 AM

what did  RD do in ATL? they stunk.  He has bounced around quite a bit since ATL.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:24 AM

View PostBRAWNDO, on 16 October 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:

FWIW the Sabres gave a statement to WGR this morning that there is zero perecent truth to the rumor.  Time will tell I guess
When has a franchise ever said otherwise?
I heard that too on WGR, but they act like the team would say something different like 'Yeah, we are working on that right now, If the team loses anymore games, Regier will be shown the door and we will be bringing in GM 'X' "

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:25 AM

View PostEleven, on 16 October 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

Part of me wants someone with no ties whatsoever to the organization, but if it's going to be someone with ties, I guess Duds is about right.

Exactly. I don't want anybody that has even heard of the Buffalo Sabres (obvious exaggeration, but my point stands). I'm sick of these "from the inside" guys, or from back in the day guys. Former players excluded, obviously.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:25 AM

View Postbeerme1, on 16 October 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

As Burkie famously said after T.O exit sometimes someone else gets to come in and eat the dinner you prepared LOL.
But I would pass on him and don't think his act would work here at all anyway. Give me Duds. He did it in Atlanta and built Chicago up as well don't forget.

I don't think he did that much for Atlanta, and Chicago??  I wasn't aware he was there.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:26 AM

Last night, when this really started rolling, I honestly felt like we were days away from the end of Darcy. Now I think we're more likely a few weeks away, but I do believe it's coming.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:33 AM

View PostPatty16, on 16 October 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

what did  RD do in ATL? they stunk.  He has bounced around quite a bit since ATL.
He had a nice group of talent being built in Atlanta, but did not have the financial support to do much to continue to build on it.

View Postkishoph, on 16 October 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

I did hear this, but they said the same thing about Lindy Ruff being replaced. One interesting thing that was mentioned is that both of the possible replacements listed by Kypreos have ties to Ken Sawyer (who Kypreos called the President of the Sabres), but it has been said that Sawyer is a supporter of Regier. How much Sawyer has in this kind of decision, I don't know, but it could tie in to a move being made or not being made.

Could Regier being replaced have an influence on Miller and Vanek wanting to remain with the Sabres ?
Its possible, depends on the new GMs plans and how quickly he gets things going. If he comes right in and starts wheeling and dealing to turn this team around, instead of taking the slow and steady wait for prospects to develop approach, they may be more willing to re-sign. Move a couple prospects for some young talent that can help now and this team can turn things around quickly

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:34 AM

As I posted in another thread, Dudley is almost 65 years old.  So, if hired, his tenure likely wouldn't last that long (which could be good or bad).  I'd prefer a younger guy with innovative ideas.  I'd be down with Botterill.  Late 30's isn't particularly young for GM hires.  Stan Bowman comes to mind among many others.  And, lest we forget, Darcy was in his late 30's when hired by the Sabres back in 1997.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:42 AM

View Postapuszczalowski, on 16 October 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

He had a nice group of talent being built in Atlanta, but did not have the financial support to do much to continue to build on it.

Its possible, depends on the new GMs plans and how quickly he gets things going. If he comes right in and starts wheeling and dealing to turn this team around, instead of taking the slow and steady wait for prospects to develop approach, they may be more willing to re-sign. Move a couple prospects for some young talent that can help now and this team can turn things around quickly

He was there less than a year before he joined Toronto. Then less than a year after that he left for MTL.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:50 AM

View PostEleven, on 16 October 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

I don't think he did that much for Atlanta, and Chicago??  I wasn't aware he was there.
He was incognito there.  Went by the moniker of 'Dale Tallon.'

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:52 AM

Nothing is going to happen. Get over it.