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#1 papazoid

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:21 PM

this team will go down as the worst in franchise history.

lowest wins.

lowest goals scored.


Previous worst season: 1971/72 (16-43-19; 51 pts)

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:35 PM

You lookin for any tickets?

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:38 PM

Here's hoping


They should have started this process last year but somehow actually got better after they sold off all their rentals.  Tells you a lot about the team before the deadline. Now they just delayed the rebuild a season.  I want 10 wins combined the next two seasons.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:42 PM

Agree with papazoid and ink.

Oh, and Fire Darcy! ;)

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:44 PM

View PostHopefulFuture, on 14 October 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

Agree with papazoid and ink.

Oh, and Fire Darcy! ;)
Naw thy might get better.  Keep Darcy on until McDavid.  Then bye bye.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:47 PM

These guys are bad...Scary Bad!!! :unsure:

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:49 PM

They'll get better....  I think around Thanksgiving we'll see improvement.   I've got to believe.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:53 PM

View Postwjag, on 14 October 2013 - 09:49 PM, said:

They'll get better....  I think around Thanksgiving we'll see improvement.   I've got to believe.
They haven't won a game yet.  There's no way they could get worse, so the only two options we're left with are improvement or continued winlessness.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:54 PM

View Postinkman, on 14 October 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

Naw thy might get better.  Keep Darcy on until McDavid.  Then bye bye.
Do you really think we'll be the worst team back-to-back to score McDavid?

-no sarcasm, genuinely asking

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:57 PM

View PostRobviously, on 14 October 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

They haven't won a game yet.  There's no way they could get worse, so the only two options we're left with are improvement or continued winlessness.

Better doesn't necessarily translate into wins.  But executing a three on two would be nice.  Scoring a few goals would nice.  Offensive zone time would be nice.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:58 PM

View Postinkman, on 14 October 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Here's hoping


They should have started this process last year but somehow actually got better after they sold off all their rentals.  Tells you a lot about the team before the deadline. Now they just delayed the rebuild a season. I want 10 wins combined the next two seasons.
THIS

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:59 PM

View PostWildCard, on 14 October 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Do you really think we'll be the worst team back-to-back to score McDavid?
Abso-freakin-lutely.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:00 PM

I was a Bisons fan and watch Punch build the Sabres from a expansion team to Stanley Cup contender in 5 years.  Even the 71-72 season was exciting due to Gilbert Perrault and Rick Martin.  No excitement being generated by the Sabres,

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:00 PM

A sad state of affairs, given the available resources. It's almost like a government operation,...a complete misappropriation of capital

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:02 PM

View Postinkman, on 14 October 2013 - 09:59 PM, said:

Abso-freakin-lutely.

Yes.  BUT we will lose the lottery to the 14th pick Boston Bruins who will get McDavid. and the conspiracy theories will rise.  Cursed forever.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:06 PM

View Postinkman, on 14 October 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

Naw thy might get better.  Keep Darcy on until McDavid.  Then bye bye.

well, at least we both didn't need the Jim Beam to get us through tonights game :)

View PostWildCard, on 14 October 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Do you really think we'll be the worst team back-to-back to score McDavid?

-no sarcasm, genuinely asking

Yes, I do. It's a matter of percentages and probabilities.
99.9% of me sees Darcy Regier at the helm as the GM next season.
Probability of finishing last again due to the above statement, 100%

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:08 PM

View PostWildCard, on 14 October 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:


Do you really think we'll be the worst team back-to-back to score McDavid?

-no sarcasm, genuinely asking


I am firmly staying to believe that is the plan. No way a team could be put together this bad if it wasn't.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:09 PM

View PostNitro60, on 14 October 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

I was a Bisons fan and watch Punch build the Sabres from a expansion team to Stanley Cup contender in 5 years.  Even the 71-72 season was exciting due to Gilbert Perrault and Rick Martin.  No excitement being generated by the Sabres,

5 years is about right I figure as well.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:09 PM

View Postinkman, on 14 October 2013 - 09:59 PM, said:

Abso-freakin-lutely.
It'd be nice for a Buffalo team to do what's ironically necessary to win, lose out. Reinhart, Myers (if he pans out like he was supposed to) Zadorov, Enroth, Larsson, Girgensons, Grigs (assuming not a bust), Risto and Mcdavid, that sounds pretty sweet to me. (And Armia, keep forgetting about him)

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:09 PM

Hopefully this crappy start will keep them off NBC Sports next year.  This every other game on NBC Blows.  Next year how about zero.  Brenden Flynn might agree.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:12 PM

View PostWho Else?, on 14 October 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

Hopefully this crappy start will keep them off NBC Sports next year.  This every other game on NBC Blows.  Next year how about zero.  Brenden Flynn might agree.
I was wondering if anyone else caught that.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:14 PM

View Postinkman, on 14 October 2013 - 09:59 PM, said:


Abso-freakin-lutely.

Yeah and knowing there luck they will lose the lottery that year.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:14 PM

View PostWildCard, on 14 October 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

It'd be nice for a Buffalo team to do what's ironically necessary to win, lose out. Reinhart, Myers (if he pans out like he was supposed to) Zadorov, Enroth, Larsson, Girgensons, Grigs (assuming not a bust), Risto and Mcdavid, that sounds pretty sweet to me. (And Armia, keep forgetting about him)
Sadly, I think it's more like that Myers will not pan out at this point.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:35 PM

View Postsicknfla, on 14 October 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

I am firmly staying to believe that is the plan. No way a team could be put together this bad if it wasn't.

View PostHopefulFuture, on 14 October 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

well, at least we both didn't need the Jim Beam to get us through tonights game :)



Yes, I do. It's a matter of percentages and probabilities.
99.9% of me sees Darcy Regier at the helm as the GM next season.
Probability of finishing last again due to the above statement, 100%
There are definitely plenty of examples of teams who have gotten back to back #1's in the draft:

Montreal: 68-69: Michael Plasse, Rejean Houle
Islanders: 71-71: Guy Lafleur, Billy Haris
Quebec: 89-91: Mats Sundin, Owen Nolan, Eric Lindros
Ottawa: 95-96: Bryan Berard, Chris Phillips
Oilers: 2010-2012: Hall, Hopkins, Yakupov

So it is definitely possible/do-able, I guess the only questions are

1) Is this team that bad    
      -They seem to be

2) Can they sustain it for next year          
        -If they continue to be this bad this year, they'll trade Miller and Vanek, so they'll be even worse

3) Are the number one picks good enough to win with            
    -I don't know the success of the teams listed above, as far as getting consecutive number one picks, and I can't judge the Oilers yet as it hasn't been that long



http://www.nhl.com/i...ge.htm?id=31886

Side question, I know Rolston was brought in initially because he was the coach of the Amerks, and kept on because he has done work in rookie development, but does anyone else suspect Darcy kept him on in part/also because he figured he'd lead a team to a first? Besides Perreault, Turgeon (the latter of which I know nothing about) Buffalo has never had a number one pick, and we've only picked in the top 5 a handful of times including those. At some point, you have to suck enough to become good through the draft, and it seems the only thing the Sabres have ever been the best at is being just good enough to never improve, and bad enough to be illicit some sort of hope that dies come May

View PostRobviously, on 14 October 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

Sadly, I think it's more like that Myers will not pan out at this point.
I'm starting to lean that way also, which is depressing considering the excitement that came with him his Calder year.
So, assuming Myers doesn't pan out (which I think is likely), do we trade him or are we incompetent enough to keep him for an absurd contract for years, watch him struggle, then lose him for nothing after paying him like he's an All-Star? Hopefully not, but this is Buffalo.

Assuming we trade him, and Vanek and Miller, and we get back to back firsts, (if not, at least top-threes), we should be looking at a top-four team, right?

The draft is a little more easy to predict as the talent is mapped out for months, but the trades for Vank/Miller/Myers are a little more iffy, and they could lend some pleasent surprises. We appear to have some stock, some pretty deep pockets actually, and the next three years could be exciting, building wise that is.

Edited by WildCard, 14 October 2013 - 10:27 PM.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:47 PM

View PostWildCard, on 14 October 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

I'm starting to lean that way also, which is depressing considering the excitement that came with him his Calder year.
So, assuming Myers doesn't pan out (which I think is likely), do we trade him or are we incompetent enough to keep him for an absurd contract for years, watch him struggle, then lose him for nothing after paying him like he's an All-Star? Hopefully not, but this is Buffalo.

Assuming we trade him, and Vanek and Miller, and we get back to back firsts, (if not, at least top-threes), we should be looking at a top-four team, right?

The draft is a little more easy to predict as the talent is mapped out for months, but the trades for Vank/Miller/Myers are a little more iffy, and they could lend some pleasent surprises. We appear to have some stock, some pretty deep pockets actually, and the next three years could be exciting, building wise that is.
If the Sabres are lucky enough to land Reinhart, I'll feel a ton better about their long term outlook.  He's not going to be Crosby but he should be a legit no.1 center in the NHL.  Once you have one, it's a lot easier to slot everyone else in the organization in around that guy.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:54 PM

3/5/2014 @ 3 PM EST

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 11:01 PM

In answer to the thread title. Yup. Its early in the year but its hard to believe otherwise.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:33 AM

View PostWildCard, on 14 October 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Do you really think we'll be the worst team back-to-back to score McDavid?

-no sarcasm, genuinely asking

I don't know if we will be, but I think we'll be in the conversation.  I'll take it one step further: I think it's the plan.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:41 AM

I'm willing to bet we get the first pick in this year's draft, but end up drafting around 5th in next year's draft. Just like the Bills taking EJ Manuel in the draft between two GREAT QB drafts, the timing will be wrong. And that's what separates the losers and the winners.

Don't get me wrong, though, I wouldn't be upset with Sam Reinhart or William Nylander. Both very good prospects. Might be the first 1st overall pick since Erik Johnson to not play for his NHL team immediately.

Edited by DStebb, 15 October 2013 - 12:44 AM.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:42 AM

Before i jumped on site tonight I was actually thinking about this same topic. I am in my late 40s so except for the first couple years I pretty much remember all of them. This is by far the worst Sabres squad ever. I will be surprised if this team gets to double digit wins. The worst part for me as a fan is the team is unwatchable and there really isn't much I can hang my hat on to be upbeat about. There is some talent on this team, but its obvious to me that Rolston is in way over his head. Darcy just sucks and that he is still here reafirms my belief that the plan all along for this year was to be so bad that we secure the first pick. No guarantees there either though because of lottery. This all just sucks.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:55 AM

View PostRico7, on 15 October 2013 - 12:42 AM, said:

Before i jumped on site tonight I was actually thinking about this same topic. I am in my late 40s so except for the first couple years I pretty much remember all of them. This is by far the worst Sabres squad ever. I will be surprised if this team gets to double digit wins. The worst part for me as a fan is the team is unwatchable and there really isn't much I can hang my hat on to be upbeat about. There is some talent on this team, but its obvious to me that Rolston is in way over his head. Darcy just sucks and that he is still here reafirms my belief that the plan all along for this year was to be so bad that we secure the first pick. No guarantees there either though because of lottery. This all just sucks.

This is exactly how I feel. I have been watching Sabres hockey since 1980 and I can't remember a team that is this bad. They can't even score which makes them unwatchable. I thought the last two years was a great chance to finish with a top 5 pick and instead of speeding up the rebuild they just prolong it by going on meaningless winning streaks just to mess up there draft position and still miss the playoffs. Now u throw in possibly losing your only natural goal scorer and your best goalie this makes it much worse. We need to finish in the bottom the next couple of years just to have a shot at Reinhart and McDavid. But like u said with the lottery nothing is ever a given. Plus the way the luck is for the city of Buffalo I'm sure they would lose the damn lottery. It's going to be a long painful couple of years watching this garbage. I don't mind you losing but ###### sakes play hard for 60 minutes and make it at least entertaining.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:55 AM

At some point, ticket sales/empty seats, merchandise and concession sales, and TV ratings, WILL take their toll.  Where that point resides is the question.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:02 AM

View PostDStebb, on 15 October 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

I'm willing to bet we get the first pick in this year's draft, but end up drafting around 5th in next year's draft. Just like the Bills taking EJ Manuel in the draft between two GREAT QB drafts, the timing will be wrong. And that's what separates the losers and the winners.

Don't get me wrong, though, I wouldn't be upset with Sam Reinhart or William Nylander. Both very good prospects. Might be the first 1st overall pick since Erik Johnson to not play for his NHL team immediately.

See I think Reinhart in particular is getting a bit of a raw PR deal because he's coming between MacKinnon and McDavid.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:13 AM

View Postsizzlemeister, on 15 October 2013 - 12:55 AM, said:

At some point, ticket sales/empty seats, merchandise and concession sales, and TV ratings, WILL take their toll.  Where that point resides is the question.

When season tickets are at an all time high this year for this garbage. It's pretty sad that people are paying to watch this. I no longer live in Buffalo but watch and dvr all games since I left and I try to see them when they go to Phoenix, Anaheim and Los Angeles. But not the last couple of years because they suck and can't play a complete game if their lives depended on it. But this years team takes the cake. Outshot badly, can't score and their not even entertaining to watch. It should have never gotten this bad. Going on those meaningless winning streaks the last couple of years cost us solid draft positions to get a player that could make an impact. Plus when u throw in no balls Darcy to try to make a bold move in moving up he always states the cost will be too high. Yes it sucks u have to maybe give up a lot to make a move but sometimes it must be done. That's why I liked Brian Burke a lot because even though he had some questionable moves he went out to get the players he wanted even if he had to overpay to get them.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:39 AM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 15 October 2013 - 01:02 AM, said:

See I think Reinhart in particular is getting a bit of a raw PR deal because he's coming between MacKinnon and McDavid.

Even though a lot of mocks say otherwise, a lot of experts think Ekblad is the best player in this draft. I disagree. I think both forwards are ahead of him, but either way there isn't any clear separation at the top like there usually is. I want Reinhart and think he could start in the NHL immediately. Not so sure about Nylander. I would've taken Monahan over anybody in this draft. Shows you how good last year's draft was.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:58 AM

I think the plan is to deliberately be as bad as possible.  I think this team could be the worst team more than back to back which wouldn't be a bad thing.  I honestly like us to be this bad at least three years.  I also think Mr. Pegula is willing to absorb any eventual revenue losses.  Really hope we get mcdavid.  nice to dream isn't it?

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 03:11 AM

View PostWildCard, on 14 October 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Do you really think we'll be the worst team back-to-back to score McDavid?

-no sarcasm, genuinely asking

Yup

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 05:13 AM

View PostDStebb, on 15 October 2013 - 01:39 AM, said:



Even though a lot of mocks say otherwise, a lot of experts think Ekblad is the best player in this draft. I disagree. I think both forwards are ahead of him, but either way there isn't any clear separation at the top like there usually is. I want Reinhart and think he could start in the NHL immediately. Not so sure about Nylander. I would've taken Monahan over anybody in this draft. Shows you how good last year's draft was.

First things first...the answer to the question is yes. I remember 86-87 vividly, first year I owned seasons right out of college. Not even close.

Next thing and way OT, and I ask this seriously.....how do you have opinions on this? See I have no clue outside of what you guys say on these guys...just zero .

Football and basketball I can at least see on TV, no minor hockey on TV. Are there places on the interwebs to watch games, all star tourneys that are televised etc?

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 05:36 AM

In the long term Terry Pegula will succeed, no doubt about it. This is his team starting over from scratch. I doubt if Vanek or Miller will be here after the trade deadline. Myers stays because of his big contract, hope he improves.

Edited by ALF, 15 October 2013 - 06:02 AM.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:44 AM

I think it's far too early in the season to declare they're the worst Sabres team of all.    They're down there though.... and if they lose tonight against the Islanders I think it might officially be their worst start in franchise history.  They'll probably win, and thus remain mired in mediocrity - not even able to excel at being bad.