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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:32 AM

http://sabres.nhl.co...vid=DL|BUF|home

The Buffalo Sabres and Bell have announced that Sabres games will now be carried on Bell TV in Southern Ontario. Sabres games, previously available on NHL Center Ice, will now be included as part of Bell TV regular programming – at no extra cost – starting with the Oct. 10 matchup against Columbus.

http://www.niagaraad...television-deal

Buffalo Sabres fans in southern Ontario can finally watch their team on television.

The Sabres have reached an agreement with Bell to televise 51 regular-season games beginning with Thursday’s home game versus the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Buffalo games have not been available in the southern Ontario market, other than nationally televised games, for about 20 years.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:33 AM

Money grab

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:34 AM

Only problem is that its only available through Bell. Anyone with Cable is still out of luck around here. I really don't want to switch my internet and cable over to them just to catch 51 Sabres games, but its probably cheaper then Centre ice on Cable

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:39 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 09 October 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

Money grab

Terry's trying to get in on fracking in Ontario.

View Postapuszczalowski, on 09 October 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

Only problem is that its only available through Bell. Anyone with Cable is still out of luck around here. I really don't want to switch my internet and cable over to them just to catch 51 Sabres games, but its probably cheaper then Centre ice on Cable

If you live in the region, you will be blacked out on Centre Ice, I believe.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:40 AM

View Postapuszczalowski, on 09 October 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

Only problem is that its only available through Bell. Anyone with Cable is still out of luck around here. I really don't want to switch my internet and cable over to them just to catch 51 Sabres games, but its probably cheaper then Centre ice on Cable

Call your cable company and ask nicely about it. When they say it's not available, make like you're going to move to Bell. They'll probably discount you at least. What'll suck is this *may* mean Center Ice will be blacked out now.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:42 AM

View PostMattPie, on 09 October 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

Call your cable company and ask nicely about it. When they say it's not available, make like you're going to move to Bell. They'll probably discount you at least. What'll suck is this *may* mean Center Ice will be blacked out now.
Pretty sure it's blacked out:  http://sabres.nhl.co..._source=Twitter

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:45 AM

View PostEleven, on 09 October 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

Pretty sure it's blacked out:  http://sabres.nhl.co..._source=Twitter

While Sabres games will now be available to all Bell Fibe and Satellite TV customers in the Southern Ontario region at no extra charge through the regular Bell TV package, games will not be available in the region on NHL Centre Ice or the NHL GameCenter online application

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:00 AM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 09 October 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

While Sabres games will now be available to all Bell Fibe and Satellite TV customers in the Southern Ontario region at no extra charge through the regular Bell TV package, games will not be available in the region on NHL Centre Ice or the NHL GameCenter online application
But is that only if you have Centre Ice through Bell?
If you have Cable, you don't have the ability to view the games on a non Centre Ice Channel, but this was a question I was wondering about. Could this deal with Bell screw over anyone who has Cogeco Cable and Centre Ice? This would piss me off and I would actually agree with the "Money grab" comment (even though i know it was just a joke), great way to get Sabres fans using Cable over to Bells Satelitte service.
Adding a little bit of fuel to the Conspiracy theorists around here, IIRC Bell & Rogers were the companies that joined together to buy the Leafs?

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:02 AM

Unless there's some reason to be livid about Bell (and there's some reason to hate every content distributor), I'm pretty sure that this is a big win for the Sabres and Ted Black.  Regionalizing the fan base, giving long time Canadian Sabres fans what they've wanted, getting increased ad revenue, etc.  The possibility exists that this dael may expand to other content distributors in Southern Ontario in the future.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:07 AM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 09 October 2013 - 10:02 AM, said:

Unless there's some reason to be livid about Bell (and there's some reason to hate every content distributor), I'm pretty sure that this is a big win for the Sabres and Ted Black.  Regionalizing the fan base, giving long time Canadian Sabres fans what they've wanted, getting increased ad revenue, etc.  The possibility exists that this dael may expand to other content distributors in Southern Ontario in the future.
Its great that finally they have been able to get a deal done to show games here. You can catch almost all the Leafs games here on tv in Niagara, yet its a longer drive to get to the ACC then the FNC

Problem is that its only one tv service provider, its not like they made a deal with a tv station, that could broadcast the games to all TV services. For most people (most people I know in niagara) have cable, and not Satelitte, so it would involve switching your service over to get the games.

i would be furious right now if I had already paid for Centre ice or Game Centre on Cable like I had in the past and found out they are now blacked out. I was going to wait til next week to sign up since Centre Ice has been free or they have played the games on TSN (NBC games vs 'Wings and Lightning)

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:09 AM

The games shouldn't be blacked out because it isn't nationally televised.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:13 AM

View Postapuszczalowski, on 09 October 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

i would be furious right now if I had already paid for Centre ice or Game Centre on Cable like I had in the past and found out they are now blacked out.

There would have to be some sort of resolution for this, but it may require the usual ridiculous amount of bitching via telephone to get.  And in the end, to get Sabres, it'd almost certainly require switching.

View PostLGR4GM, on 09 October 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

The games shouldn't be blacked out because it isn't nationally televised.

Not the case I know of.  I have Center Ice in Los Angeles, and the center ice feeds are blacked out in favor of the local feeds for both the Kings and the Ducks.  If the games are available locally, ie you're in the team's market (OR the games are nationally televised) then the Center Ice feeds are blacked out.  Generally this only screws you if you have Center Ice and don't get NBCSN.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:14 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 09 October 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

The games shouldn't be blacked out because it isn't nationally televised.
Does that matter? GameCenter blacks out local games.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:41 AM

Right. All the Flyers games are blacked out here in Philly, whether they're on Comcast SportsNet or national TV, because they are available in the area.

Not to rehash the discussion in the gamecenter/CI trhead, but that's why cable stations pay money to sports teams for the rights. They want to 'guarantee' that all the eyeballs that want to watch the Sabres are watching their ads between plays. Cogeco (or whomever else is up there) has to either accept that some folks are going to leave for Bell, or try to license the games for their own system (assuming Bell didn't get an exclusive contract).

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:44 AM

View PostMattPie, on 09 October 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

Right. All the Flyers games are blacked out here in Philly, whether they're on Comcast SportsNet or national TV, because they are available in the area.

Not to rehash the discussion in the gamecenter/CI trhead, but that's why cable stations pay money to sports teams for the rights. They want to 'guarantee' that all the eyeballs that want to watch the Sabres are watching their ads between plays. Cogeco (or whomever else is up there) has to either accept that some folks are going to leave for Bell, or try to license the games for their own system (assuming Bell didn't get an exclusive contract).
Only times there is no blackout is when the local affiliate NBC 10 airs Flyers games.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:00 PM

View PostMattPie, on 09 October 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

Right. All the Flyers games are blacked out here in Philly, whether they're on Comcast SportsNet or national TV, because they are available in the area.

Not to rehash the discussion in the gamecenter/CI trhead, but that's why cable stations pay money to sports teams for the rights. They want to 'guarantee' that all the eyeballs that want to watch the Sabres are watching their ads between plays. Cogeco (or whomever else is up there) has to either accept that some folks are going to leave for Bell, or try to license the games for their own system (assuming Bell didn't get an exclusive contract).
The only difference in this situation is that we are talking about a service provider airing the games for free on their service, and not a network/station. This isn't NBC, or TSN, or Sportsnet here picking up the games to air them, its Bell. This would be like Time Warner getting the rights to air their games on their service instead of Direct TV or Dish network, etc.

I don't know of any other team that has a similar agreement, and they haven't gone into too much detail in the articles as to the availability of airing the games on other service providers.

Bell currently has phone (landline and Cell), Satelitte, and internet services they provide, so its understandable that if you have Bell satelitte or internet, you won't get the games on Centre Ice or Game Centre through Bell. Unless the Sabres signed an exclusive agreement that bell is the only service provider to carry Sabres games in Southern Ontario, I don't know if they can black out Centre ice or  Game Centre on other providers in the area. I wonder if the league would allow them to work out an exclusive deal with Bell though, that would hurt the NHLs pockets because now you had a large area of fans subscribing in Southern Ontario to Centre ice and Game Centre who now may not want the service if they can't watch Sabres games

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:10 PM

View Postapuszczalowski, on 09 October 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

Bell currently has phone (landline and Cell), Satelitte, and internet services they provide, so its understandable that if you have Bell satelitte or internet, you won't get the games on Centre Ice or Game Centre through Bell. Unless the Sabres signed an exclusive agreement that bell is the only service provider to carry Sabres games in Southern Ontario, I don't know if they can black out Centre ice or  Game Centre on other providers in the area. I wonder if the league would allow them to work out an exclusive deal with Bell though, that would hurt the NHLs pockets because now you had a large area of fans subscribing in Southern Ontario to Centre ice and Game Centre who now may not want the service if they can't watch Sabres games

I understand what you're saying, and you may have a point with the TV station vs. picming up games angle. But, for awhile Comcast wasn't licensing Comcast Sports to anyone else on the Philly area (Verizon FIOS, really) so you had to get their cable to see the games. They were still blacked out on GC.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:15 PM

IF they don't black out other carriers, this is a great thing.  It's painfully stupid that people on the wrong side of a river can't see the games on TV.  The Sabres should be doing all they can to ensure everyone from Hamilton east end up cheering for the b&g rather than the Evil Empire at the other end of the QEW.  (Sorry Millbank)

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:17 PM

It is my belief, and I'm willing to hear discussion to the contrary, that it is always better to have a team available on a regular-tier distribution (like included in reasonable tier of cable or satellite) than it is for that team to be available only on costly Center Ice/Game Center.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostTaro T, on 09 October 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

IF they don't black out other carriers, this is a great thing.  It's painfully stupid that people on the wrong side of a river can't see the games on TV.  The Sabres should be doing all they can to ensure everyone from Hamilton east end up cheering for the b&g rather than the Evil Empire at the other end of the QEW.  (Sorry Millbank)

Notably, the Bell coverage area ends outside of Hamilton.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:26 PM

Sabres have posted a map of the broadcast radius, which extends 50 miles (exactly I think) from the arena.  Stops just east of Hamilton.   My only guess is that they have to be specific about where the broadcast goes.  They also include a long, long list of Canadian postal codes that are in the broadcast area, which to me as an American reads like somebody barfed Alphabet Bet soup all over a Speak N' Spell.

Edited by IKnowPhysics, 09 October 2013 - 02:27 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:45 PM

Here's the deal:  Anyone like me that does not have Bell Satellite TV or Fibre optic service,  does not get games on the Cogeco cable version of NHLCI - except the Saturday night games that the Sabres can't show.  Hockey Night in Canada has exclusive national rights for Saturday night games, so the Satuday Sabres games are available on NHLCI according to the Cogeco schedule.  As you can see, games that are not on Saturday have an N/A next to the schedule.  So, I will definitely not be paying the cable company for the Saturday night games only, and will have to rely on the internet IF I want to watch.  I called Cogeco and they said that they are not in negotiations with the Sabres, in repsonse to my direct question if they were.  That's not to say that the Bell deal is exclusive, but right now it is.  Funny how things work out, this was the first year since it was available to homeowners that I wasn't going to buy it anyway.

http://www.cogeco.ca...standard_hd.pdf

The equivalent situation is living in Buffalo and having Time Warner Cable but the Sabres were only available on DirecTV as apus had mentioned

Edited by repster, 09 October 2013 - 03:07 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:59 PM

Write your Congressman.


Haha, just kidding.

In reality there may be no way for your cable company (Cogeco?) to distribute only to the negotiated (NHL broadcast rules mandated??) 50 mile radius.  I don't know, but that could be a technological barrier for Cogeco, one that's pretty easily overcome in satellite receiver box technology for Bell.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:25 PM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 09 October 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

Sabres have posted a map of the broadcast radius, which extends 50 miles (exactly I think) from the arena.  Stops just east of Hamilton.   My only guess is that they have to be specific about where the broadcast goes.  They also include a long, long list of Canadian postal codes that are in the broadcast area, which to me as an American reads like somebody barfed Alphabet Bet soup all over a Speak N' Spell.
You have a problem with how we use a 6 character code of Numbers and Letters up here?
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View Postrepster, on 09 October 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

Here's the deal:  Anyone like me that does not have Bell Satellite TV or Fibre optic service,  does not get games on the Cogeco cable version of NHLCI - except the Saturday night games that the Sabres can't show.  Hockey Night in Canada has exclusive national rights for Saturday night games, so the Satuday Sabres games are available on NHLCI according to the Cogeco schedule.  As you can see, games that are not on Saturday have an N/A next to the schedule.  So, I will definitely not be paying the cable company for the Saturday night games only, and will have to rely on the internet IF I want to watch.  I called Cogeco and they said that they are not in negotiations with the Sabres, in repsonse to my direct question if they were.  That's not to say that the Bell deal is exclusive, but right now it is.  Funny how things work out, this was the first year since it was available to homeowners that I wasn't going to buy it anyway.

http://www.cogeco.ca...standard_hd.pdf

The equivalent situation is living in Buffalo and having Time Warner Cable but the Sabres were only available on DirecTV as apus had mentioned
I would make the switch, but figure I will wait to hopefully sell my house first and move, then at the new place go with Bell if they will continue to broadcast the games for free (I'm just waiting for the hook from them where they will do this for a year or 2 for free, get a bunch of new subscribers, then move it to make it a package deal. From the games so far, It doesn't look like I will be missing much by not watching. And if they keep looking bad, its possible through stub hub that I can attend a game or 2 a month and actually spend less then I would have with Centre Ice or Game Centre!

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:39 PM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 09 October 2013 - 10:02 AM, said:

Unless there's some reason to be livid about Bell (and there's some reason to hate every content distributor), I'm pretty sure that this is a big win for the Sabres and Ted Black.  Regionalizing the fan base, giving long time Canadian Sabres fans what they've wanted, getting increased ad revenue, etc.  The possibility exists that this dael may expand to other content distributors in Southern Ontario in the future.

I agree, it is potentially a huge deal.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:47 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 09 October 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

Money grab

Uh, yea no kidding. The National Hockey League is a business. This is what they do.

It's been well documented for years that the Sabres have been trying to do this for the past 10+ years. When Golisano/Quinn first took over, it was literally one of their first interviews they gave they said one of their biggest projects is to get Sabres games on TV in Southern Ontario. They obviously failed. But even before then it was known the Sabres kept doing work to get something done. When Pegula took over, Ted Black said it early on too, maybe in a WGR interview, that that is a major priority. So, the team stuck to their word.

I remember listening to Quinn talk once, he said, in the late 1980s, a company did a poll in Southern Ontario on favorite sports teams. Toronto Maple Leafs were #1, but the Buffalo Sabres were a close 2nd. When Golisano took over, Quinn reached a company and they did the same exact survey. Sabres didn't even finish in the top-5. Miami Dolphins and Green Bay Packers were in the top-5, and i forget the others, besides obviously the Leafs at 1.

Sabres have been doing a tremendous job in Canada since Pegula took over, which he promised, and this is just the next big thing. Maybe they'll move a pre-season game to St Catherines too in the future? Who knows? The more Canadian fans the better for our team. These are the people who bring emotion, passion and atmosphere into the arena.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:21 PM

just for information and looking at my tv schedule it offered on my bell on channel 1442, listing saying games will be available free to subscribers in the Niagara region, Stoney Creek, and Dunnville.  It would appear these the only areas where games will be on free, Hamilton, Kitchener Waterloo Toronto will not receive this.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 08:28 AM

View PostVanek-Man, on 09 October 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

Uh, yea no kidding. The National Hockey League is a business. This is what they do.

It's been well documented for years that the Sabres have been trying to do this for the past 10+ years. When Golisano/Quinn first took over, it was literally one of their first interviews they gave they said one of their biggest projects is to get Sabres games on TV in Southern Ontario. They obviously failed. But even before then it was known the Sabres kept doing work to get something done. When Pegula took over, Ted Black said it early on too, maybe in a WGR interview, that that is a major priority. So, the team stuck to their word.

I remember listening to Quinn talk once, he said, in the late 1980s, a company did a poll in Southern Ontario on favorite sports teams. Toronto Maple Leafs were #1, but the Buffalo Sabres were a close 2nd. When Golisano took over, Quinn reached a company and they did the same exact survey. Sabres didn't even finish in the top-5. Miami Dolphins and Green Bay Packers were in the top-5, and i forget the others, besides obviously the Leafs at 1.

Sabres have been doing a tremendous job in Canada since Pegula took over, which he promised, and this is just the next big thing. Maybe they'll move a pre-season game to St Catherines too in the future? Who knows? The more Canadian fans the better for our team. These are the people who bring emotion, passion and atmosphere into the arena.
I don't know if I would call it a tremendous job cause being over here in Niagara, I can't say I have seen them do much of anything (or anything more then they have done in the past) besides visit some schools this year in Fort Erie and some schools and hospitals last year across Niagara.

I remember years ago, back in the "Goat head era", back when Nolan coached, that the Sabres did much more in Niagara. They held open practices at each one of the larger Niagara municipalities rinks, they even had a Sabres store/office in St. Catharines where you could get your tickets to games. That soon closed down and theres been nothing since. As for a game in St. Catharines, I would think that once they finish getting the new rink built for the Ice Dogs to replace the Jack Gatecliff in St. Catharines they could come down (or up) and play a pre-season game there

View Postmillbank, on 09 October 2013 - 11:21 PM, said:

just for information and looking at my tv schedule it offered on my bell on channel 1442, listing saying games will be available free to subscribers in the Niagara region, Stoney Creek, and Dunnville.  It would appear these the only areas where games will be on free, Hamilton, Kitchener Waterloo Toronto will not receive this.
Thats right, its just for the area that is within the Sabres broadcast area. If you are outside of those areas you won't get the games on Bell for free but you can get them on Centre Ice or Game Centre

Edited by apuszczalowski, 10 October 2013 - 08:26 AM.