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#1 wyldnwoody44

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:05 PM

Ok, since there are some minor and some more serious injuries, I figure I would make a thread devoted to sabres injuries... I don't make threads hardly ever, but thought it would be nice to have one thread to go to instead of searching GDT and others to find out...... With that said, have at it.

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:09 PM

Tropp and Foligno are injured... Rolston was supposed to know more today but since the team didn't practice I would expect that the update for that may occur tomorrow.

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 09:55 PM

View Postwyldnwoody44, on 24 September 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Ok, since there are some minor and some more serious injuries, I figure I would make a thread devoted to sabres injuries... I don't make threads hardly ever, but thought it would be nice to have one thread to go to instead of searching GDT and others to find out...... With that said, have at it.

We do have these but now as the thread starter it is ur job to update it. Of course with help but you will need to take the lead on this.

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 10:04 PM

Never volunteer for anything. #ArmyLessons

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 10:20 PM

thanks wyldnwoody44, we appreciate it.

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 10:47 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 24 September 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:



We do have these but now as the thread starter it is ur job to update it. Of course with help but you will need to take the lead on this.

I will try to take the lead as much as possible, but working 60-70 hrs a week and being on call makes it tough for me to stay in the loop, all this responsibility, I may crack under the SS pressure ;)

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 07:36 AM

View Postwyldnwoody44, on 24 September 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

I will try to take the lead as much as possible, but working 60-70 hrs a week and being on call makes it tough for me to stay in the loop, all this responsibility, I may crack under the SS pressure ;)

Stay away from the crack and you'll be ok. ;)

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:39 AM

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Corey Tropp of the #Sabres has a broken jaw from the fight in the #Leafs game. Out indefinitely.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:41 AM

Ahhh, this is where I should've posted that item.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:42 AM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 25 September 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

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Corey Tropp of the #Sabres has a broken jaw from the fight in the #Leafs game. Out indefinitely.
Harrington said 5-6 weeks on twitter. There has to be a concussion in there too though.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:42 AM

so broken jaw is what 8-10weeks I would guess and more if it requires surgery?  Guess Tropp won't be playing til Christmas... uhg and I really like him too.

(I should clarify 8-10 weeks is from now til he can play again. Even if it heals in 5-6, he will need to get his conditioning back up)

Edited by LGR4GM, 25 September 2013 - 10:43 AM.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:43 AM

View PostThat Aud Smell, on 25 September 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

Ahhh, this is where I should've posted that item.

I figured that out after I put it in the BJ game day thread.  :)

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:55 AM

No concussion for Tropp....Good news.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:57 AM

So who on Buffalo is going to get fined for Tropp's jaw?

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:00 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 25 September 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

So who on Buffalo is going to get fined for Tropp's jaw?
Johan Larsson is being fined for not playing that game.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:08 AM

I wonder if his jaw was broke by the punch or the forearm shiver. My guess is the forearm.  Being out on the ice, all relaxed, no clenching of his teeth.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:17 AM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 25 September 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

No concussion for Tropp....Good news.

That's what I was thinking too.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:22 AM

Tropp was out cold, right?  Isn't that pretty much a solid indicator of a concussion?  Maybe he is symptom free now but I don't see how he didn't sustain at least a minor concussion if he was out cold, even momentarily.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:25 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 25 September 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

so broken jaw is what 8-10weeks I would guess and more if it requires surgery?  Guess Tropp won't be playing til Christmas... uhg and I really like him too.

(I should clarify 8-10 weeks is from now til he can play again. Even if it heals in 5-6, he will need to get his conditioning back up)

Can't he skate with a broken jaw?  I mean I'm sure he would be off the ice for a week or two but couldn't he keep his conditioning up while it heals?  I can't remember what happened with Crosby when his jaw was broken last year.

Any word on Foligno?  I heard he was skating but did they say anything about the severity of the injury?

Edited by Derrico, 25 September 2013 - 11:26 AM.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:30 AM

View Postweave, on 25 September 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

Tropp was out cold, right?  Isn't that pretty much a solid indicator of a concussion?  Maybe he is symptom free now but I don't see how he didn't sustain at least a minor concussion if he was out cold, even momentarily.

This is what I was thinking. It could also be they're assuming the jaw takes longer to heal than the concussion, so they're only reporting that.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:35 AM

View Postweave, on 25 September 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

Tropp was out cold, right?  Isn't that pretty much a solid indicator of a concussion?  Maybe he is symptom free now but I don't see how he didn't sustain at least a minor concussion if he was out cold, even momentarily.

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 25 September 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

This is what I was thinking. It could also be they're assuming the jaw takes longer to heal than the concussion, so they're only reporting that.

One of the beat writers tweeted that Tropp had passed his baseline test, which means that he mos def had a concussion (pretty sure a loss of consciousness following a blow to the head is, by definition, a concussion). So it's the jaw not the concussion that's the issue going forward, apparently.

View PostDerrico, on 25 September 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

Can't he skate with a broken jaw?  I mean I'm sure he would be off the ice for a week or two but couldn't he keep his conditioning up while it heals?  I can't remember what happened with Crosby when his jaw was broken last year.


Yeah. But he can't eat and can't actually, you know, play hockey. Crosby did come back rather quickly with the playoffs on the horizon. I'm not sure how effective he was or how his game was affected by the injury.

View PostDerrico, on 25 September 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:


Any word on Foligno?  I heard he was skating but did they say anything about the severity of the injury?

Hamilton tweeted that Foligno strained something (lower body, I infer) and is targeting the opener for a return.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:36 AM

View Postweave, on 25 September 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

Tropp was out cold, right?  Isn't that pretty much a solid indicator of a concussion?  Maybe he is symptom free now but I don't see how he didn't sustain at least a minor concussion if he was out cold, even momentarily.

I was thinking along the same lines.  How does taking a shot to the noggin that turns the lights out not result in a concussion?

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:45 AM

View Postwjag, on 25 September 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

I was thinking along the same lines.  How does taking a shot to the noggin that turns the lights out not result in a concussion?
I'm pretty sure you can be knocked out without having a concussion.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:55 AM

View PostSwampD, on 25 September 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure you can be knocked out without having a concussion.

So I googled it.  See a lot of articles that disagree with this.  The ones I read suggest there are varying degrees, but a KO = concussion.  Probably are articles out there that refute this as well.  Hence the problem with medical information and the internet I suppose.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:23 PM

View PostSwampD, on 25 September 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure you can be knocked out without having a concussion.

that may be true, actually. but as jag indicates, there is a lot of uncertainty in this area. i'd read somewhere more recently that "concussions" of the brain occur in dozens of situations previously though benign, such as slamming your head into the bottom of a desktop when you bend down to pick up something.

in any case, tropp reportedly passed his baseline test, so there's no concussion concern at this time (reportedly). as i understand it, athletes get a baseline test when they're feeling fine and dandy and then take the exam again after an incident like the one tropp had.

Edited by That Aud Smell, 25 September 2013 - 12:23 PM.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:24 PM

http://sabres.nhl.co...st.htm?id=20703

Rolston said Tropp also had a concussion, but has been cleared on that front.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:37 PM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 25 September 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

http://sabres.nhl.co...st.htm?id=20703

Rolston said Tropp also had a concussion, but has been cleared on that front.
The tests they use to "clear" someone sound like a total joke.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:39 PM

View PostRobviously, on 25 September 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

The tests they use to "clear" someone sound like a total joke.

"Can you repeat a sentence back?"

Don't they have pre-camp baseline tests for all players these days?

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 01:13 PM

I had thought that baseline tests at the professional level were more equipment-driven and therefore objective (like hooking sensor patches up to your temples type thing) -- they appear to be more based on a clinician's Q&A, use of flash cards, cognitive drills (re-ordering shapes?), and such.

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 25 September 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

Don't they have pre-camp baseline tests for all players these days?

Sure. Which is why you're cleared if you "pass your baseline" after an incident (provided you have no other symptoms, I suppose).

Edited by That Aud Smell, 25 September 2013 - 01:14 PM.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 01:19 PM

Baseline testing for a concussion is mainly solely on cognitive functioning, memory and etc like that..... An MRI/CT may show varying degrees of concussions as well.... With a KO there is no physical medical guarantee that a concussion was imminent. However logically,  yes if you get knocked out, you prolly have at least a mild one at least in my experience.... The jaw is the concern as a broken jaw takes much longer to recover from than a mild concussion.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:03 PM

The test includes:

Symptom Score
Physical signs score
Glasgow coma score
Balance examination score
Coordination score
Orientation score
Immediate memory score
Concentration score
Delayed recall score

All these are put together to determine concussion and cleared to play.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 09:55 AM

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No Joel Armia on the ice this morning. Hurt his hand last night.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:24 AM

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#Sabres head coach Ron Rolston says Armia has a broken hand, will be out indefinitely.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:48 AM

Can you send an injured player down to the AHL?

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:52 AM

View Postnobody, on 26 September 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Can you send an injured player down to the AHL?

Not unless they changed it in the new CBA.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:01 PM

View Postnobody, on 26 September 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Can you send an injured player down to the AHL?
It won't matter though with the cap (we are under) and we can pt him on IR since he will be out longer than 4 weeks (it is 4 weeks correct?)

Although I assume Nobody is actually worried about the # of players on the Roster as opposed to cap concerns.  Pretty the broken hand doesn't affect that.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:02 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 26 September 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

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#Sabres head coach Ron Rolston says Armia has a broken hand, will be out indefinitely.

Sucks for Armia's continued North American development whether it was in Buff or Roch.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:21 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 26 September 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

It won't matter though with the cap (we are under) and we can pt him on IR since he will be out longer than 4 weeks (it is 4 weeks correct?)

Although I assume Nobody is actually worried about the # of players on the Roster as opposed to cap concerns.  Pretty the broken hand doesn't affect that.

Yep - I think this leads to more of the young guys being sent down leaving Flynn/Porter types back on the team.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:25 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 26 September 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

It won't matter though with the cap (we are under) and we can pt him on IR since he will be out longer than 4 weeks (it is 4 weeks correct?)

Although I assume Nobody is actually worried about the # of players on the Roster as opposed to cap concerns.  Pretty the broken hand doesn't affect that.

I thought it was 1 week for IR, and you can make it retroactive.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:26 PM

View Postnobody, on 26 September 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

Yep - I think this leads to more of the young guys being sent down leaving Flynn/Porter types back on the team.
I was just going to write that somewhere, Kevin Porter is smiling weakly.

Now I've gone and written it.