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Posted 26 August 2013 - 09:38 AM

So Mini-Paks go on sale in two days and I have not yet recieved an email detailing where to buy them.  Any existing Mini-Pak holders get their email yet on purchasing a new package?

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 09:06 AM

I received a letter with the schedule last week. It told me to expect an email with my passcode and time for purchasing tickets online yesterday. I got the email at 6:30pm or so.
My purchase time is Wednesday at 1pm

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 09:16 AM

Great, thanks!  I just recieved my email and start buying tomorrow at noon.  I just thought I would have recieved the email sooner and I never got a letter.

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 02:42 PM

What about individual game tickets?

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 02:47 PM

View PostOverPowerYou, on 27 August 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

What about individual game tickets?

They go on sale September 14th.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:04 PM

I have a hell of a hard time believing that there are nothing but 300 level seats available for ANY of the games I am looking for!

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:33 PM

Well, after 4 years I am a "former" mini-pack holder. I get the option to purchase on day 1, hour 3 and there is nothing but 300 level seats at least 15 rows up available.
I have sat in the 200 level by the harbor club for every game (7-10 per year) for 4 years and don't really want to move up to the nosebleeds.
The biggest benefit to being a Mini-pack holder was early access to seats early and the possibility of playoff tickets (I know, really) before general public sale. But, if all I can get now are upper level 300's I'm better off jumping on stubhub a day or so before the games I want to attend and getting my tickets there, probably for less than full price.

It was nice while it lasted.

I'm strangely bummed, like I'm not part of a club anymore.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:00 PM

View Posttheesir, on 28 August 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

Well, after 4 years I am a "former" mini-pack holder. I get the option to purchase on day 1, hour 3 and there is nothing but 300 level seats at least 15 rows up available.
I have sat in the 200 level by the harbor club for every game (7-10 per year) for 4 years and don't really want to move up to the nosebleeds.
The biggest benefit to being a Mini-pack holder was early access to seats early and the possibility of playoff tickets (I know, really) before general public sale. But, if all I can get now are upper level 300's I'm better off jumping on stubhub a day or so before the games I want to attend and getting my tickets there, probably for less than full price.

It was nice while it lasted.

I'm strangely bummed, like I'm not part of a club anymore.

I completely agree!!  I was coming on here to complain as well.  Good luck to anyone buying tickets when they go on sale to the general public.  There is nothing left already but 300 level tickets for most games and even then it's about half way up in the corner if you want more than 2 together.  Very disapointing.  I get the fact that they have a wait list for season tickets but it's too bad they added another 2,000 or whatever it was because now you can't get tix unless ur sitting way way up and in the corner!  Not a single ticket available for the Montreal game in March in the lower bowl.  Way to piss off ur fan base.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:34 PM

Same thing here.  I am a former mini-pack holder.  Nothing there for me, and I had a noon starting time.  By 10:30am, even the good pre-season game tickets were gone.  For years, my family and I got 200 level pre-season tickets - all gone.

Seems you have to be among the "elite" locally to see your local team. The Sabres continue to disenfranchise me.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:57 PM

View Postsizzlemeister, on 28 August 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Same thing here.  I am a former mini-pack holder.  Nothing there for me, and I had a noon starting time.  By 10:30am, even the good pre-season game tickets were gone.  For years, my family and I got 200 level pre-season tickets - all gone.

Seems you have to be among the "elite" locally to see your local team. The Sabres continue to disenfranchise me.

Not "elite".  The line starts with the longest tenured mini-pack holders.

Guys.  Don't make the mistake of not buying games.  You'll be put to the end of the line.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:28 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 28 August 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

Not "elite".  The line starts with the longest tenured mini-pack holders.

Guys.  Don't make the mistake of not buying games.  You'll be put to the end of the line.
I would have loved to, I only wanted tickets to 5 games this year rather than my normal 7-10, I picked 12 dates and none had seats available in the lower bowl with 2 seats together. Upper corner 300 level is it. This was 3 hours after onsale start. The other 2 who posted in this thread got a one hour jump on me and found the same results. (that's pretty close to front of the line). I then started checking ALL games and NONE had lower bowl seats. Where is the benefit in me staying a MP holder? I'm not really interested in getting first crack at nosebleeds.
I hate that I will lose my place in line, but the benefit has disappeared.
Very disappointing to say the least.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:32 PM

This is some of the suffering Darcy referred to....  Just wait until the team is 3-17 and you can pick up Club level seats for chump change on StubHub...

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:41 PM

View PostSabre Dance, on 28 August 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

This is some of the suffering Darcy referred to....  Just wait until the team is 3-17 and you can pick up Club level seats for chump change on StubHub...
That is actually one thing about the Webster Block I actually like...the sports bar. You can go downtown, try to pick up tickets on the cheap on the street at the last second, and if you don't get your price, go watch a period or 2 at the bar. I didn't buy any tickets last year but they still sent me a letter with priority. I agree...why pay $45 to get in the door when come February you can probably scalp a 200 level seat for the same price?

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:44 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 28 August 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:



Not "elite".  The line starts with the longest tenured mini-pack holders.

Guys.  Don't make the mistake of not buying games.  You'll be put to the end of the line.


Yes, elite, as in, you can spend the time and money on a season ticket package.  Sorry, but that's not me.

Just two or three seasons ago you could buy a whole row in the 200s for $25 each even after being an hour and half late to the ticket-buying party.  WTF is happening now?

And I don't like to sit in the upper 300s.  My kids don't like it, and especially my wife doesn't like it.  And Sabre Tooth barely goes up there.  I complained about it to T Black once, and it was fixed for the rest of that season, but it went back to the same ol' last season.

I'd rather spend the coin on a single game for the seats I want.  What the hell...I hate driving down there in the winter anyway.

I used to defend the Sabres against the Chet and Muffy stigma...but it's clear, now, there's no fighting it.  The raucous, crazy, blue-collar folk are simply priced out of Sabres games; they made it not even worth trying between tickets and the front office/roster garbage.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 10:34 PM

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Yes, elite, as in, you can spend the time and money on a season ticket package.  Sorry, but that's not me.

Just two or three seasons ago you could buy a whole row in the 200s for $25 each even after being an hour and half late to the ticket-buying party.  WTF is happening now?

And I don't like to sit in the upper 300s.  My kids don't like it, and especially my wife doesn't like it.  And Sabre Tooth barely goes up there.  I complained about it to T Black once, and it was fixed for the rest of that season, but it went back to the same ol' last season.

I'd rather spend the coin on a single game for the seats I want.  What the hell...I hate driving down there in the winter anyway.

I used to defend the Sabres against the Chet and Muffy stigma...but it's clear, now, there's no fighting it.  The raucous, crazy, blue-collar folk are simply priced out of Sabres games; they made it not even worth trying between tickets and the front office/roster garbage.

There are ways around this. I'd offer to help if you want.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 10:40 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 28 August 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

There are ways around this. I'd offer to help if you want.

Presuming you're serious, then, no, absolutely not.  Thanks, but, no.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:04 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 28 August 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

There are ways around this. I'd offer to help if you want.
  Whenever I hear this line...it usually ends up costing me $200 Canadian.......

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:47 PM

I have been a mini pack holder for 4 years. This is ridiculous.

The first 3 years, I got tickets down low and up high for 15-20 games.

Last year, it somehow became difficult to get good tix. I was squeezed to 10 games, only 3 down low.

This year, I log in, and NOTHING available down low??? What gives???

Guess I won't be buying any tickets. Whatever. Thanks Sabres.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:24 AM

I understand the frustration but isn't the lack of availability a good thing? Given the tone of this board over the last year, I expected a good amount of tickets available.
And how can you blame the team? Last year they had games that they had difficulty selling so they made some adjustments and apparently solved their problem .

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:29 AM

View Posttom webster, on 29 August 2013 - 06:24 AM, said:

I understand the frustration but isn't the lack of availability a good thing? Given the tone of this board over the last year, I expected a good amount of tickets available.
And how can you blame the team? Last year they had games that they had difficulty selling so they made some adjustments and apparently solved their problem .

Any blame falls squarely on the system at this point.  I think we all know exactly where all these tickets are, in the hands of the brokers.  It's not a hockey thing or a Buffalo thing.  This stuff happens everywhere now.  The leagues are so deeply in bed with these companies at this point.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:08 AM

What? Having an actual home ice advantage, in service of the reason for existence of the franchise, isn't a priority for these guys? Shocked.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:25 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 29 August 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

What? Having an actual home ice advantage, in service of the reason for existence of the franchise, isn't a priority for these guys? Shocked.
And there you have it. While I can't blame them for playing hot potato with every last ticket and getting them sold, if the goal truly is to win a Cup, continuing to embrace a sterile environment in the arena instead of promoting lower priced churn of tens of thousands of energized fans is not really Hockey Heaven in my opinion. It's DiPoffi/Gibby Heaven.

One of the cooler things I did as a kid was get $25 tickets to the World Series. Back in the olden days of newspapers, the Blue Jays used to regularly advertise in the Buffalo News and sell tickets through a form. Come a few weeks before the pennant, they had a form for World Series tickets and promised a few hundred tickets to Buffalo fans, first come, first served. You just had to go get a money order, select what section, clip the paper, and send it in. I went to the Corner Store that day, got a money order for $50, sent it in....and Boom!, a few weeks later I am sitting in the outfield for Game 1 of the World Series. They were true to their word and really showed what fan appreciation was about.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:29 AM

View Posttom webster, on 29 August 2013 - 06:24 AM, said:

I understand the frustration but isn't the lack of availability a good thing? Given the tone of this board over the last year, I expected a good amount of tickets available.
And how can you blame the team? Last year they had games that they had difficulty selling so they made some adjustments and apparently solved their problem .

So instead of trying to find out why they were having difficulty selling some games (AHL lineup, poor atmosphere, lack of star power), and working to correct and creating a buzz, THIS is the answer?

Also, correct me if I am wrong here...but, doesn't the team stand to gain more revenue via merch sales by having the largest number of actual Sabres fans in attendance? Do people spend more on food/drinks/etc when they are in a fun environment?

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:40 AM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 29 August 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

One of the cooler things I did as a kid was get $25 tickets to the World Series. Back in the olden days of newspapers, the Blue Jays used to regularly advertise in the Buffalo News and sell tickets through a form. Come a few weeks before the pennant, they had a form for World Series tickets and promised a few hundred tickets to Buffalo fans, first come, first served. You just had to go get a money order, select what section, clip the paper, and send it in. I went to the Corner Store that day, got a money order for $50, sent it in....and Boom!, a few weeks later I am sitting in the outfield for Game 1 of the World Series. They were true to their word and really showed what fan appreciation was about.

So something that happened 20 years ago that no team today would do anymore is somehow an example of how inept Sabres management/sales is?  The world has changed, get over it.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:05 AM

View Postshrader, on 29 August 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

Any blame falls squarely on the system at this point.  I think we all know exactly where all these tickets are, in the hands of the brokers.  It's not a hockey thing or a Buffalo thing.  This stuff happens everywhere now.  The leagues are so deeply in bed with these companies at this point.

This is dead on the truth. There are 980-1000 tickets available, and in the exact same seats for EVERY GAME this season on Stub Hub right now. The in game experience has been terrible the past few years due to huge numbers of non-Sabre fans at the games (the quality of the team doesn't help either). There is no worse feeling than being at those sterile Home games and being overwhelmed by visiting fans.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:07 AM

View Postshrader, on 29 August 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:



So something that happened 20 years ago that no team today would do anymore is somehow an example of how inept Sabres management/sales is?  The world has changed, get over it.

It was a story....yes the world has changed....some people willingly gobble it up too.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:27 AM

View Postshrader, on 29 August 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

So something that happened 20 years ago that no team today would do anymore is somehow an example of how inept Sabres management/sales is?  The world has changed, get over it.

There's this thing called the internet now.

The Sabres let you pick your own tickets now.  Before you just took the best available and had to exchange them.  They've been working on the system for a few years and implemented it this year. Some may think it sucks, but it is what it is.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:29 AM

View Posttom webster, on 29 August 2013 - 06:24 AM, said:

I understand the frustration but isn't the lack of availability a good thing? Given the tone of this board over the last year, I expected a good amount of tickets available.
And how can you blame the team? Last year they had games that they had difficulty selling so they made some adjustments and apparently solved their problem .
On a certain level, it is a good thing.  Been to waaaaay too many Hartford or Tampa games through the years that couldn't fill up the corners in any level even on a weekend night.  (Used to be able to tell if there'd be a good crowd or not by whether the beer stand next to my aisle was set up or not.  If they were expecting less than ~14k in the rink it wasn't opened.  There were a lot of nights it wasn't opened.)

And if the lack of availability were due to an actual demand for sitting in the rink by the people buying / currently holding the tix it would be a great thing.

Unfortunately, the reality is, Stubhub rules.  And I don't see that changing anytime in the near future.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:22 AM

So we've traded the morgue-like atmosphere and relative non-exclusivity for the team's market viability?  When have ticket-sales been a concern for the Sabres?  And when did we start thinking the market is tentative?

Whatever.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:40 AM

View PostAndrew Amerk, on 29 August 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

So instead of trying to find out why they were having difficulty selling some games (AHL lineup, poor atmosphere, lack of star power), and working to correct and creating a buzz, THIS is the answer?

Also, correct me if I am wrong here...but, doesn't the team stand to gain more revenue via merch sales by having the largest number of actual Sabres fans in attendance? Do people spend more on food/drinks/etc when they are in a fun environment?

Bingo.  Adding the 2,000 extra season ticket holders was a mistake in my opinion.  Many were probably picked up as investments to sell to opposing teams fans.  Also (and no offense at all to the die hard season ticket holders on here) but those arn't the guys lining up at the merch stands every game.  It's the guys going for one or a handful of games that want to take their kids down to the rink.  How many of the season ticket holders are children?  I want to take my young son down there and sit in the lower bowl so he can actually see their faces and the speed of the game.  Nope, not a single ticket available.  And this is cutting the line by being a Mini-Pak holder??  Very disapointing.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:02 AM

View PostDerrico, on 29 August 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

Bingo.  Adding the 2,000 extra season ticket holders was a mistake in my opinion.  Many were probably picked up as investments to sell to opposing teams fans.  Also (and no offense at all to the die hard season ticket holders on here) but those arn't the guys lining up at the merch stands every game.  It's the guys going for one or a handful of games that want to take their kids down to the rink.  How many of the season ticket holders are children?  I want to take my young son down there and sit in the lower bowl so he can actually see their faces and the speed of the game.  Nope, not a single ticket available.  And this is cutting the line by being a Mini-Pak holder??  Very disapointing.

For what it's worth, when I was kid (7 or so), I liked the corner in the oranges. Got to see everything and watch the patterns of the skaters.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:16 AM

View PostDerrico, on 29 August 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:



Bingo.  Adding the 2,000 extra season ticket holders was a mistake in my opinion.  Many were probably picked up as investments to sell to opposing teams fans.  Also (and no offense at all to the die hard season ticket holders on here) but those arn't the guys lining up at the merch stands every game.  It's the guys going for one or a handful of games that want to take their kids down to the rink.  How many of the season ticket holders are children?  I want to take my young son down there and sit in the lower bowl so he can actually see their faces and the speed of the game.  Nope, not a single ticket available.  And this is cutting the line by being a Mini-Pak holder??  Very disapointing.

Technically, there are about 2 dozen single seats in the lowers available for all the games. Just nothing together.

All of this makes being a mini pack holder pointless now. Unless, you don't mind rows 11-15 in the top corner.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:19 AM

View PostSpndnchz, on 29 August 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

There's this thing called the internet now.

The Sabres let you pick your own tickets now.  Before you just took the best available and had to exchange them.  They've been working on the system for a few years and implemented it this year. Some may think it sucks, but it is what it is.

And let's not pretend that this is a Sabres thing.  These systems exist just about everywhere.  I said pro sports before, but it goes much further than even that.  These same exact ticket systems are in place for sports, concerts, theaters... you  name it, they're there.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:36 AM

View PostTaro T, on 29 August 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:

On a certain level, it is a good thing.  Been to waaaaay too many Hartford or Tampa games through the years that couldn't fill up the corners in any level even on a weekend night.  (Used to be able to tell if there'd be a good crowd or not by whether the beer stand next to my aisle was set up or not.  If they were expecting less than ~14k in the rink it wasn't opened.  There were a lot of nights it wasn't opened.)

And if the lack of availability were due to an actual demand for sitting in the rink by the people buying / currently holding the tix it would be a great thing.

Unfortunately, the reality is, Stubhub rules.  And I don't see that changing anytime in the near future.

Not quite sure of what to make of the StubHub.

You look at the Sabres games available, most games have just under 1,000 seats for sale.  Look at the Pens, it's about 300.  from there you would say that, well, Pens are better, more season ticket holders actually go to the games, right?  Take a look at the Blackhawks.  Over 2,000 seats for sale to each game.

I don't think you can correlate how well a team is going to do by how many seats are available on Stubhub.

When the Sabres were really good and tickets were selling (aftermarket) well I had a choice to make between going or selling and making some Benjamin's.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:23 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 29 August 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

Not quite sure of what to make of the StubHub.

You look at the Sabres games available, most games have just under 1,000 seats for sale.  Look at the Pens, it's about 300.  from there you would say that, well, Pens are better, more season ticket holders actually go to the games, right?  Take a look at the Blackhawks.  Over 2,000 seats for sale to each game.

I don't think you can correlate how well a team is going to do by how many seats are available on Stubhub.

When the Sabres were really good and tickets were selling (aftermarket) well I had a choice to make between going or selling and making some Benjamin's.
I'd agree with the bolded.  Many variables go into whether people will be listing tix or not.

To me, the Stubhubs significantly alter the ST lifecycle.  (At least outside of places like NYC that already had 20 year waits for seasons.)  People that have reached a point where they'd give up their seasons will hang onto them for at least a while longer figuring they can at least get their money back over the course of a full season.  Which I'd expect is a big part of the annual 97%+ STH renewal rates.  (It certainly wouldn't appear to be the product on the ice nor expectations of ST success driving those renewals.)

Prior to the waiting list forming when they caught lightning in a bottle, there were ALWAYS seasons available in the Mmarena and as mentioned above there were always empty seats when the "undesireables" came to town.  To try to cut down on that some, Adelphia gave truckloads of tickets away when the Columbuses, Atlantas, and Is-land-ers of the league came to town.

The minipacks were created back when it was tough to sell out the rink.  It isn't as tough to do it (at least on paper) courtesy of channels like Stubhub that let people resell conveniently.  Though minipacks solve problems for the team they also add headaches for them, especially at playoff time.  Not shocking the Sabres are driving minipack holders away.  Just kind of sad that they're doing it from a nostalgic perspective for some of us old timers and from an inconvenience perspective for those minipack holders that can't get what they're used to getting.

As long as there's a STH waiting list, and as long as Stubhub's around and the team doesn't enter into NYI / Euler levels of relevance I don't see them losing the waiting list, I don't see them doing anything other than continuing to drive the minipacks away.  (And to DeLuca and anyone else that want to argue the Sabres already are there among the dregs of relevance, we both know they aren't and that isn't the point of this post anyway so I'm not going to argue the point.)

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 02:19 PM

View Postshrader, on 29 August 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

And let's not pretend that this is a Sabres thing.  These systems exist just about everywhere.  I said pro sports before, but it goes much further than even that.  These same exact ticket systems are in place for sports, concerts, theaters... you  name it, they're there.

Don't be ridiculous. This is just another example about Pegula lying to us all from day one and trying to make out before he gets out. :rolleyes:

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 03:01 PM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 29 August 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

Don't be ridiculous. This is just another example about Pegula lying to us all from day one and trying to make out before he gets out. :rolleyes:
I swear....reading some of these posts, it's like the broad who always complains about the co-worker at work....."She's out to get me!!!!"......(footnote credit to Chris Rock)   and that's aimed at the posters complaining about people who use a half of a brain to discern we ain't in Kansas anymore......

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 03:03 PM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 29 August 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:


I swear....reading some of these posts, it's like the broad who always complains about the co-worker at work....."She's out to get me!!!!"......(footnote credit to Chris Rock)   and that's aimed at the posters complaining about people who use a half of a brain to discern we ain't in Kansas anymore......

Uh oh, Skynet has become self-aware.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 03:12 PM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 29 August 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Uh oh, Skynet has become self-aware.
You don't know the half of it..........

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:05 PM

Leave poor Dwight alone.  He can't help it.  :P

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