Jump to content


Your Ideal Roster - Cap Compliant $64.3 million


This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
98 replies to this topic

#1 Ghost of Dwight Drane

Ghost of Dwight Drane

    Texting Nun

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,952 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 12:04 AM

Ok....everyone gets a shot. Who do you put on your team? Do whatever you want...if you want to stack RFA guys who may producer for cheaper....fine. It's more about seeing who everyone wants on their team that would be a Cup winner. I am mad the other thread got closed because I actually thought about this early in the day.

#2 JJFIVEOH

JJFIVEOH

    Second Liner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,689 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 01:03 AM

This is a great idea!

#3 Ghost of Dwight Drane

Ghost of Dwight Drane

    Texting Nun

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,952 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 01:38 AM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 31 July 2013 - 01:03 AM, said:

This is a great idea!
:P

#4 JJFIVEOH

JJFIVEOH

    Second Liner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,689 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 01:53 AM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 31 July 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

:P

Glad you started it, this could be interesting.

#5 Ghost of Dwight Drane

Ghost of Dwight Drane

    Texting Nun

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,952 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 01:59 AM

Here we go....I tried staying true to spirit and taking guys who have been signed recently and who aren't obvious for pay raises.

C: Kesler 5.0/ Backes 4.5/ Hanzal 3.1/ Talbot 1.7
LW: Landeskog 3.6/ Kunitz 3.7/ Pyatt 1.5/ Moen 1.8
RW: Callahan 4.5/ Hartnell 4.7/ Kassian 0.9/ Condra 0.8

D1: Karlsson 6.5/ DelZotto 2.5/ Girardi 3.3
D2: Seidenberg 3.3/ McQuaid 1.5/ Weber 1.6/ Stralman 1.7

G: Price 6.5/ Biron 1.3

There are plenty of bargains out there, but I'm not going to cherry-pick all 22 year olds on an entry deal. These are all guys I respect and would have the Sabres trade for in a heartbeat.

Most of the bottom 2 lines were available in free agency the past 2 years. This team is going to kill you for 60 minutes. They may not put up 5 goals a game, but they won't let in 3 either. The whole team can play defense and penalty kill. 90% will hit you, many frustrate you. There are 2 viable PP units with Karlsson maybe being the most dynamic player in the game. They will not wear down over the course of a season and playoffs. There are almost no pure playmakers, but this is the model of the 2010 US Olympic team that was one walleye away from winning the gold.

#6 ThirtyEight

ThirtyEight

    Second Liner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,739 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 06:44 AM

I tried to create my ideal but realistic roster, which fitted under this years salary cap:

Eriksson (4.25) - Toews (6.3) - Hodgson (3.3?)
Dubinsky (4.2) - O'Reilly(5) - Brown (3.175)
Burmistrov (2?) - Helm (2.215) - Ott (2.95)
Paille (1.3) - McClement (1.5) - Kaleta (1.25)
Konopka (0.925)

Ehrhoff (4) - Pietrangelo (5.5)
McDonagh (4.7) - Myers (5.5)
Weber (1.6) - Pysyk (0.87)

Bernier (2.9)
Khudobin (0.8)

I'm least happy about goaltending, I would solve that when the cap goes up next year. Drain's team focused on physical defensive play, my team focuses on solid two way play

Edited by ThirtyEight, 31 July 2013 - 06:47 AM.


#7 tom webster

tom webster

    Second Liner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,026 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:22 AM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 31 July 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

Here we go....I tried staying true to spirit and taking guys who have been signed recently and who aren't obvious for pay raises.

C: Kesler 5.0/ Backes 4.5/ Hanzal 3.1/ Talbot 1.7
LW: Landeskog 3.6/ Kunitz 3.7/ Pyatt 1.5/ Moen 1.8
RW: Callahan 4.5/ Hartnell 4.7/ Kassian 0.9/ Condra 0.8

D1: Karlsson 6.5/ DelZotto 2.5/ Girardi 3.3
D2: Seidenberg 3.3/ McQuaid 1.5/ Weber 1.6/ Stralman 1.7

G: Price 6.5/ Biron 1.3

There are plenty of bargains out there, but I'm not going to cherry-pick all 22 year olds on an entry deal. These are all guys I respect and would have the Sabres trade for in a heartbeat.

Most of the bottom 2 lines were available in free agency the past 2 years. This team is going to kill you for 60 minutes. They may not put up 5 goals a game, but they won't let in 3 either. The whole team can play defense and penalty kill. 90% will hit you, many frustrate you. There are 2 viable PP units with Karlsson maybe being the most dynamic player in the game. They will not wear down over the course of a season and playoffs. There are almost no pure playmakers, but this is the model of the 2010 US Olympic team that was one walleye away from winning the gold.

I thought the idea was to win the Cup. Save for a couple of exceptions, no team has ever won the Cup with so little offense. You don't have one player that is a sure fire top 2 or 3 forward although I think Landeskog has the potential. Your top center has been a medical wreck and your goalie makes Miller look like ice in the mental toughness department.

#8 sicknfla

sicknfla

    Fourth Liner

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 791 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:31 AM

View PostThirtyEight, on 31 July 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

I tried to create my ideal but realistic roster, which fitted under this years salary cap:

Eriksson (4.25) - Toews (6.3) - Hodgson (3.3?) I
Dubinsky (4.2) - O'Reilly(5) - Brown (3.175)
Burmistrov (2?) - Helm (2.215) - Ott (2.95)
Paille (1.3) - McClement (1.5) - Kaleta (1.25)
Konopka (0.925)

Ehrhoff (4) - Pietrangelo (5.5)
McDonagh (4.7) - Myers (5.5)
Weber (1.6) - Pysyk (0.87)

Bernier (2.9)
Khudobin (0.8)

I'm least happy about goaltending, I would solve that when the cap goes up next year. Drain's team focused on physical defensive play, my team focuses on solid two way play

Of all the players in the league you pick 1/3 of them with current Sabres? 4 of 6 defenseman? No cup for you. Hopefully you are thicker skinned than some of the people on here but I don't think your roster makes the playoffs.

You could have a strong top 2 lines but 3 and 4 lines could be better. Defense and goaltending would be your problems.

Edited by sicknfla, 31 July 2013 - 07:40 AM.


#9 LGR4GM

LGR4GM

    Poop Flavored Lollypop

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,900 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:08 AM

My team is forth coming and involves names such as Toews, Neal, and even Tyler Myers... probably be up sometime around 10:30.

View Postsicknfla, on 31 July 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

Of all the players in the league you pick 1/3 of them with current Sabres? 4 of 6 defenseman? No cup for you. Hopefully you are thicker skinned than some of the people on here but I don't think your roster makes the playoffs.

You could have a strong top 2 lines but 3 and 4 lines could be better. Defense and goaltending would be your problems.
Interesting... so what are you thinking of then?  as far as a roster goes.

#10 DeLuca1967

DeLuca1967

    #39 - Greatest of All-Time.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,269 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:55 AM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 31 July 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

Here we go....I tried staying true to spirit and taking guys who have been signed recently and who aren't obvious for pay raises.

C: Kesler 5.0/ Backes 4.5/ Hanzal 3.1/ Talbot 1.7
LW: Landeskog 3.6/ Kunitz 3.7/ Pyatt 1.5/ Moen 1.8
RW: Callahan 4.5/ Hartnell 4.7/ Kassian 0.9/ Condra 0.8

D1: Karlsson 6.5/ DelZotto 2.5/ Girardi 3.3
D2: Seidenberg 3.3/ McQuaid 1.5/ Weber 1.6/ Stralman 1.7

G: Price 6.5/ Biron 1.3


There are plenty of bargains out there, but I'm not going to cherry-pick all 22 year olds on an entry deal. These are all guys I respect and would have the Sabres trade for in a heartbeat.

Most of the bottom 2 lines were available in free agency the past 2 years. This team is going to kill you for 60 minutes. They may not put up 5 goals a game, but they won't let in 3 either. The whole team can play defense and penalty kill. 90% will hit you, many frustrate you. There are 2 viable PP units with Karlsson maybe being the most dynamic player in the game. They will not wear down over the course of a season and playoffs. There are almost no pure playmakers, but this is the model of the 2010 US Olympic team that was one walleye away from winning the gold.
The first thing I did was take every player you picked off the board. This roster I picked is a little closer to the cap (61.646) than I would like.

C: Brown 3.175/ Huberdeau 3.194/Couturier 1.75/ Brian Boyle 1.7
LW: James Neal 5.0/Lucic 6.0/ Matt Martin 1.0/ Rich Clune .537
RW: Giroux 3.75/ Ryan 5.1/Chris Neal1.9/ Ryan Reaves .600

D1: Kronwell 4.75/ Luke Schenn 3.6/ Orpik 3.75
D2: P.K Subban 2.875/ Hamilton 1.494/ Scuderi 3.375

G: Quick 5.8/Crawford 2.67

I have achieved real balance. I have a ton of high level skill and more than enough grit and toughness to make apposing teams uncomfortable. I have some of the better young players in the game and more than enough veterans including some with Cup rings. I have at least 5-6 strong candidates for captain.

#11 ThirtyEight

ThirtyEight

    Second Liner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,739 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:00 AM

View Postsicknfla, on 31 July 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:



Of all the players in the league you pick 1/3 of them with current Sabres? 4 of 6 defenseman? No cup for you. Hopefully you are thicker skinned than some of the people on here but I don't think your roster makes the playoffs.

You could have a strong top 2 lines but 3 and 4 lines could be better. Defense and goaltending would be your problems.

Helm is the best third line centre in the league when healthy. Burmistrov is really really good defensively, especially given his age and I like Ott as giving that line another dynamic. The fourth line works because Kaleta draws twice as many penalties as he takes, Paille is clutch for a fourth liner and Mcclement is the reason the leads penalty kill improved. My team would have the best penalty kill in the league - Kaleta, Ott, Helm, Ericksson, Toews, Mcclement are not just ok on the pk, they dominate. Pretty much everyone in my team could play the pk though

My defence was an interesting choice, Ehrhoff could have been a Norris candidate IMO. Myers will be fantastic in 2-3 years - I'm expecting a big big improvement this year. Pysyk does the little things really well that go unnoticed and Weber played fantastically. 2/4 sabre d men on my team are bottom pairing. I also think that the forwards were more at fault for our complete inability to exit the zone.

#12 sicknfla

sicknfla

    Fourth Liner

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 791 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:10 AM

View PostThirtyEight, on 31 July 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:



Helm is the best third line centre in the league when healthy. Burmistrov is really really good defensively, especially given his age and I like Ott oas giving that line another dynamic. The fourth line works because Kaleta draws twice as many penalties as he takes, Paille is clutch for a fourth liner and Mcclement is the reason the leads penalty kill improved. My team would have the best penalty kill in the league - Kaleta, Ott, Helm, Ericksson, Toews, Mcclement are not just ok on the pk, they dominate. Pretty much everyone in my team could play the pk though

My defence was an interesting choice, Ehrhoff could have been a Norris candidate IMO. Myers will be fantastic in 2-3 years - I'm expecting a big big improvement this year. Pysyk does the little things really well that go unnoticed and Weber played fantastically. 2/4 sabre d men on my team are bottom pairing. I also think that the forwards were more at fault for our complete inability to exit the zone.

I like the forwards. Again, with the entire league to pick from I don't think 4 Sabres are worthy. Mix your defense around a little and get a proven goalie and your on to something. Bernier is not bad but I would feel better with a playoff tested guy.

I am trying to put one together. It's not as easy as it seems. I keep running out of cap space.

#13 ThirtyEight

ThirtyEight

    Second Liner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,739 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:12 AM

View Postsicknfla, on 31 July 2013 - 09:10 AM, said:



I like the forwards. Again, with the entire league to pick from I don't think 4 Sabres are worthy. Mix your defense around a little and get a proven goalie and your on to something. Bernier is not bad but I would feel better with a playoff tested guy.

I am trying to put one together. It's not as easy as it seems. I keep running out of cap space.

Yeah I'm not that happy with goal, but I had no cap room. Harder than it seems! I thought Bernier would give me the best bang for my buck. Plus, again, I tried to create a roster I thought would be attainable and he was traded for spare parts basically

#14 DeLuca1967

DeLuca1967

    #39 - Greatest of All-Time.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,269 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:14 AM

View Postsicknfla, on 31 July 2013 - 09:10 AM, said:

I like the forwards. Again, with the entire league to pick from I don't think 4 Sabres are worthy. Mix your defense around a little and get a proven goalie and your on to something. Bernier is not bad but I would feel better with a playoff tested guy.

I am trying to put one together. It's not as easy as it seems. I keep running out of cap space.
The only Sabre I considered was Ott, if I had to make one change it would be to fit Ott in somewhere. I gave a great deal of consideration of taking Ott as my third line center. I like Couturier and Boyle a lot, it was between those three.

Edited by deluca67, 31 July 2013 - 09:15 AM.


#15 tom webster

tom webster

    Second Liner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,026 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:26 AM

View Postdeluca67, on 31 July 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:


The first thing I did was take every player you picked off the board. This roster I picked is a little closer to the cap (61.646) than I would like.

C: Brown 3.175/ Huberdeau 3.194/Couturier 1.75/ Brian Boyle 1.7
LW: James Neal 5.0/Lucic 6.0/ Matt Martin 1.0/ Rich Clune .537
RW: Giroux 3.75/ Ryan 5.1/Chris Neal1.9/ Ryan Reaves .600

D1: Kronwell 4.75/ Luke Schenn 3.6/ Orpik 3.75
D2: P.K Subban 2.875/ Hamilton 1.494/ Scuderi 3.375

G: Quick 5.8/Crawford 2.67

I have achieved real balance. I have a ton of high level skill and more than enough grit and toughness to make apposing teams uncomfortable. I have some of the better young players in the game and more than enough veterans including some with Cup rings. I have at least 5-6 strong candidates for captain.

Interesting that you had Brown and Giroux switch positions and have at least 6 players whose own fan base questions their work ethic.
And how anyone could put together a team without Toews, Bergeron, Taveres and/or Crosby is beyond my comprehension.
And that defense, well at least you are consistent in your love for Schenn, no matter how mis-guided. The rest leaves me wishing I could play against it 82 games per year.

#16 LGR4GM

LGR4GM

    Poop Flavored Lollypop

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,900 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:32 AM

Forwards
Line 1: Gabriel Landeskog (3.575) - Jonathan Toews (6.3) - James Neal (5)
Line 2: Evander Kane (5.25) - Cody Hodgson (3.45) - David Backes (4.5)
Line 3: Marcus Foligno (0.9) - Zemgus Girgensons (1.369) - Cal Clutterbuck (2.75)
Line 4:  John Scott (0.75) - Jay McClement (1.5) - Brian Flynn (0.637)
Extra: Kaleta (1.25), Larsson (.87)
Defense
Pair 1: Duncan Keith (5.538) - Torey Krug (1.704)
Pair 2: Mike Weber (1.66) - Tyler Myers (5.5)
Pair 3: Mark Pysyk (0.87) - Alex Pietrangelo (5)
#7 - Jake McCabe (1.25)

Goalies:
Starter: Jonathan Bernier (2.9)
Backup: Jhonas Enroth (1.25)

Total: 61.653 63.773, Caproom: 2.647 0.527

Edited by LGR4GM, 31 July 2013 - 11:11 AM.


#17 DeLuca1967

DeLuca1967

    #39 - Greatest of All-Time.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,269 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:33 AM

View Posttom webster, on 31 July 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

Interesting that you had Brown and Giroux switch positions and have at least 6 players whose own fan base questions their work ethic.
And how anyone could put together a team without Toews, Bergeron, Taveres and/or Crosby is beyond my comprehension.
And that defense, well at least you are consistent in your love for Schenn, no matter how mis-guided. The rest leaves me wishing I could play against it 82 games per year.
If your goal is to draft #1 overall. Norris winner, a Lindstrom understudy, one of the best young defensemen in hockey, a hammer, and two playoff proven Stanley Cup winning veterans. There is no weakness there.

There is no weakness on my roster. Scoring, toughness, defense and goaltending. It's all covered.

#18 Spndnchz

Spndnchz

    Ass. Player Agent

  • SS Mod Team
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,800 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:41 AM

I tried all these on playstation.  They lost.

#19 LGR4GM

LGR4GM

    Poop Flavored Lollypop

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,900 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:42 AM

View Postdeluca67, on 31 July 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

If your goal is to draft #1 overall. Norris winner, a Lindstrom understudy, one of the best young defensemen in hockey, a hammer, and two playoff proven Stanley Cup winning veterans. There is no weakness there.

There is no weakness on my roster. Scoring, toughness, defense and goaltending. It's all covered.
Actually I agree your defense is fairly solid however your offense is mainly grit and I think it may have issues scoring. I'd flip Giroux and Brown (Dustin?) giving you a solid top line. Your second line however is completely predicated on Hurberdeu improving and Bobby Ryan continuing his scoring ability without Perry or Getzlaf.  I am not sure if it would work or not. After that your scoring dies. Which is the big flaw.  3rd/4th line scoring is non existent.

Your goaltending and your defense might be solid enough to get you far but I think scoring issues will crop up. That is just my opinion.

#20 DeLuca1967

DeLuca1967

    #39 - Greatest of All-Time.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,269 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:55 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 31 July 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

Actually I agree your defense is fairly solid however your offense is mainly grit and I think it may have issues scoring. I'd flip Giroux and Brown (Dustin?) giving you a solid top line. Your second line however is completely predicated on Hurberdeu improving and Bobby Ryan continuing his scoring ability without Perry or Getzlaf.  I am not sure if it would work or not. After that your scoring dies. Which is the big flaw.  3rd/4th line scoring is non existent.

Your goaltending and your defense might be solid enough to get you far but I think scoring issues will crop up. That is just my opinion.
That's by design. I have limited dollars and I focused on spending where it counts. My fourth line is designed to be a traditional fourth line, maybe 10 minutes a game if that.  I love my third line, it would be one of the most physically demanding lines in the NHL to play against.

My top six includes a 40 goal scorer, a four time 30+ goal scorer, two big body hammers that can score 25-30 goals each, a potential 80-90 point player in Giroux and a 20 year old with great talent that will be skating with linemates that will create a lot of run for him.

Any scoring my bottom six provides will be considered bonus.

#21 rakish

rakish

    Top Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 253 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:23 AM

Toews (6.3) - Bertuzzi (2.075) - Justin Williams (3.65)  
Bergeron(5) - Marchand(4.5) - Kassian(0.87)
Datszuk (6.7) - Hagelin  (2.25) - Couture (2.875)
Stepan(3 ?) - Gerbe (.55) - Kaleta (1.25)


Hjamlarsson (3.5) - Michalak (4)
Girardi(3.325) - MacDonagh (4.7)
Justin Faulk (Carolina) (0.9) - Sekara (2.75)

Schneider (4)
Lehner (.87)


Total -- 63.065
Ceiling -- 64.3

#22 d4rksabre

d4rksabre

    This pleases Nikita

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,883 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:26 AM

I'm glad you guys aren't GMs :P

This is fun reading though. I like it.

#23 DeLuca1967

DeLuca1967

    #39 - Greatest of All-Time.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,269 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:28 AM

View PostRCentered, on 31 July 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

Toews (6.3) - Bertuzzi (2.075) - Justin Williams (3.65)  
Bergeron(5) - Marchand(4.5) - Kassian(0.87)
Datszuk (6.7) - Hagelin  (2.25) - Couture (2.875)
Stepan(3 ?) - Gerbe (.55) - Kaleta (1.25)


Hjamlarsson (3.5) - Michalak (4)
Girardi(3.325) - MacDonagh (4.7)
Justin Faulk (Carolina) (0.9) - Sekara (2.75)

Schneider (4)
Lehner (.87)


Total -- 63.065
Ceiling -- 64.3
Unquestionably strong up the middle, the strongest proposed by far. Nice defense, good goaltending, and maybe the best third line put together. A team I'd expect to still be around come conference finals time.

#24 d4rksabre

d4rksabre

    This pleases Nikita

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,883 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:33 AM

View Postdeluca67, on 31 July 2013 - 10:28 AM, said:

Unquestionably strong up the middle, the strongest proposed by far. Nice defense, good goaltending, and maybe the best third line put together. A team I'd expect to still be around come conference finals time.

You like a roster with Datsyuk on the third friggen line?

#25 sicknfla

sicknfla

    Fourth Liner

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 791 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:33 AM

View PostRCentered, on 31 July 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

Toews (6.3) - Bertuzzi (2.075) - Justin Williams (3.65)  
Bergeron(5) - Marchand(4.5) - Kassian(0.87)
Datszuk (6.7) - Hagelin  (2.25) - Couture (2.875)
Stepan(3 ?) - Gerbe (.55) - Kaleta (1.25)


Hjamlarsson (3.5) - Michalak (4)
Girardi(3.325) - MacDonagh (4.7)
Justin Faulk (Carolina) (0.9) - Sekara (2.75)

Schneider (4)
Lehner (.87)


Total -- 63.065
Ceiling -- 64.3

Gerbe? Is there another one in the league I am not aware of?

#26 Glass Case Of Emotion

Glass Case Of Emotion

    Woah-Oh! We're half way there...

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,189 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:37 AM

Penguins Forwards, Boston's Defense, Kings Goalies. Fits under the cap, almost all cup winners. easy-peasy.

#27 DeLuca1967

DeLuca1967

    #39 - Greatest of All-Time.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,269 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:45 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 31 July 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

You like a roster with Datsyuk on the third friggen line?
That's the ultimate in depth. If you have enough talent to play Datsyuk on a third line you are strong up the middle. And it keeps a 35 year old center fresh come playoff time.

#28 LGR4GM

LGR4GM

    Poop Flavored Lollypop

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,900 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:46 AM

View Postdeluca67, on 31 July 2013 - 10:28 AM, said:

Unquestionably strong up the middle, the strongest proposed by far. Nice defense, good goaltending, and maybe the best third line put together. A team I'd expect to still be around come conference finals time.
Again I doubt they score enough.

View Postdeluca67, on 31 July 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

That's the ultimate in depth. If you have enough talent to play Datsyuk on a third line you are strong up the middle. And it keeps a 35 year old center fresh come playoff time.
But there is 0 depth at wing. Absolutely none.

#29 DeLuca1967

DeLuca1967

    #39 - Greatest of All-Time.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,269 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:48 AM

View Postsicknfla, on 31 July 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

Gerbe? Is there another one in the league I am not aware of?
Fourth line and very cheap. When you are spending $21 mil on centers you have make sacrifices elsewhere. I would rather see it done on the fourth line than cutting corners on the blueline.

#30 d4rksabre

d4rksabre

    This pleases Nikita

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,883 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:50 AM

View Postdeluca67, on 31 July 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:


That's the ultimate in depth. If you have enough talent to play Datsyuk on a third line you are strong up the middle. And it keeps a 35 year old center fresh come playoff time.

Playing Datsyuk in a defensive role doesn't do anything to keep him fresh. Even if that line can score it's a waste to have him there. Until he starts showing his age he is undoubtedly on your first line. The guy is magic.

View Postdeluca67, on 31 July 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:


Fourth line and very cheap. When you are spending $21 mil on centers you have make sacrifices elsewhere. I would rather see it done on the fourth line than cutting corners on the blueline.

There are legitimate NHL players you could put on the fourth line for that money. Gerbe there is a joke.

#31 DeLuca1967

DeLuca1967

    #39 - Greatest of All-Time.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,269 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:52 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 31 July 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

Again I doubt they score enough.


But there is 0 depth at wing. Absolutely none.
You're right about wing. After Couture and Marchand there is a drop off. I think there are better options than Bertuzzi.

#32 LGR4GM

LGR4GM

    Poop Flavored Lollypop

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,900 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:56 AM

View Postdeluca67, on 31 July 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

You're right about wing. After Couture and Marchand there is a drop off. I think there are better options than Bertuzzi.
Definitely.

I guess no one liked my roster at all lol... thems the breaks.

#33 tom webster

tom webster

    Second Liner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,026 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:56 AM

View Postdeluca67, on 31 July 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:


If your goal is to draft #1 overall. Norris winner, a Lindstrom understudy, one of the best young defensemen in hockey, a hammer, and two playoff proven Stanley Cup winning veterans. There is no weakness there.

There is no weakness on my roster. Scoring, toughness, defense and goaltending. It's all covered.

Schenn has already been dealt once by a GM you would die for and has been such a disappointment in Philly that they continue to search for a top 4 guy with him being one of the pieces they would like to move. Orpik is on the downside of a pretty solid career, Hamilton had a so so rookie season and sat quite a bit toward the end so the jury is still out. Scuderi is a solid number 4, Kronwell has the ability but has yet to show consistency to be a top end guy. Sub an obviously has the ability but is a lockerroom cancer and melted down again in the playoffs and I think the last guy was Seidenberg who I like but may be a product of the system

#34 dscrapj

dscrapj

    Prospect

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 31 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:56 AM

Landeskog 3.6/Tavares 5.5/Callahan 4.3
Drouin 3.22/Giroux 3.75/Williams 3.6
Wilson 1.3/Bergeron 5/Ott 2.95
Lapierre 1.1/McClement 1.5/Miller 1.35

Keith 5.6/Subban 2.875
Seidenberg 3.25/Brodin 1.5
Boychuk 3.4/Alzner 2.8
Pysyk 1

Quick 5.8
Khudobin .8

Total cost 64.2

Edited by dscrapj, 31 July 2013 - 11:06 AM.


#35 rakish

rakish

    Top Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 253 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:57 AM

Playing Datsyuk in a defensive role doesn't do anything to keep him fresh

The third line plays against the third line on most teams.  My intent was to create a situation like the 2006 Sabres where the other team couldn't defend Vanek.  Here we get to send out Datsyuk while Ghost's team defends with Weber, this is the mismatch I am looking for

#36 d4rksabre

d4rksabre

    This pleases Nikita

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,883 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 11:00 AM

View PostRCentered, on 31 July 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

Playing Datsyuk in a defensive role doesn't do anything to keep him fresh

The third line plays against the third line on most teams.  My intent was to create a situation like the 2006 Sabres where the other team couldn't defend Vanek.  Here we get to send out Datsyuk while Ghost's team defends with Weber, this is the mismatch I am looking for

The third line usually plays against the first line.

#37 DeLuca1967

DeLuca1967

    #39 - Greatest of All-Time.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,269 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 11:01 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 31 July 2013 - 10:50 AM, said:

Playing Datsyuk in a defensive role doesn't do anything to keep him fresh. Even if that line can score it's a waste to have him there. Until he starts showing his age he is undoubtedly on your first line. The guy is magic.



There are legitimate NHL players you could put on the fourth line for that money. Gerbe there is a joke.
I don't see the third line a a traditional 3rd line. You have Datsyuk and a Couture who is one of the best young snipers in the league and a good young winger in Hagelin. Looking at the lines a little closer, his third line is likely to be the most offensively prolific.

Gerbe? You're talking fourth line minutes. Who would you replace him with? Keeping in mind the salary of 550K and the remaining $1.235 in cap space.

#38 Spndnchz

Spndnchz

    Ass. Player Agent

  • SS Mod Team
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,800 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 11:02 AM

Everybody at 21 players? Most teams carry 23 during the season. Most of these are over the cap.

#39 LGR4GM

LGR4GM

    Poop Flavored Lollypop

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,900 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 11:05 AM

View PostRCentered, on 31 July 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

Playing Datsyuk in a defensive role doesn't do anything to keep him fresh

The third line plays against the third line on most teams.  My intent was to create a situation like the 2006 Sabres where the other team couldn't defend Vanek.  Here we get to send out Datsyuk while Ghost's team defends with Weber, this is the mismatch I am looking for
I'd put any of my defense pairs and 3rd line out against Datsuk, Hagelin and Couture. I agree with Deluca that your 3rd line could potentially be your #1.  Now Zemgus def has some growing to do in that case but I think the physicality of that line with the talent would make it difficult for Datsuk to do his thing.  The thing I like about my roster is that I could easily swap Backes down a line and put Clutterbuck in his 2nd line spot for a game. It isn't ideal but my 2nd line has enough talent that I think Clutterbuck would still work with E.Kane - Hodgson - Clutterbuck

View PostSpndnchz, on 31 July 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

Everybody at 21 players? Most teams carry 23 during the season. Most of these are over the cap.
I am at 21 and I will add Pat Kaleta as my extra skater at 1.25 that brings my total to 62.903
leaves 1.397 for moves.  To fill the remaining option I will add... Johan Larsson to my team for .87 leaving 0.527 in capspace.

Edited by LGR4GM, 31 July 2013 - 11:09 AM.


#40 d4rksabre

d4rksabre

    This pleases Nikita

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,883 posts

Posted 31 July 2013 - 11:11 AM

View Postdeluca67, on 31 July 2013 - 11:01 AM, said:

I don't see the third line a a traditional 3rd line. You have Datsyuk and a Couture who is one of the best young snipers in the league and a good young winger in Hagelin. Looking at the lines a little closer, his third line is likely to be the most offensively prolific.

Gerbe? You're talking fourth line minutes. Who would you replace him with? Keeping in mind the salary of 550K and the remaining $1.235 in cap space.

$1.235 cap space could get you any of the following off the free agent list right now:

Jody Shelley
Brad Boyes
Anthony Stewart
Andreas Nodl

I'd also eliminate Kassian's salary and potentially Stepan. Or move Stepan up a line and Datsyuk to the second line.