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Posted 18 June 2013 - 06:45 PM

Been told Bryzgalov's agent was told by Flyers GM that he's NOT getting bought out.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 06:56 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 18 June 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

Been told Bryzgalov's agent was told by Flyers GM that he's NOT getting bought out.

Not surprising. Who the heck else is going to play net for that team? Would any goalie want to go there at this point, young or old?

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 06:59 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 18 June 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

Not surprising. Who the heck else is going to play net for that team? Would any goalie want to go there at this point, young or old?

If I was that agent I wouldn't trust Holmgren.  He said the same thing to Carter's agent a week before he got dealt.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:51 PM

If a team chooses to use one or both of their amnesty buyouts, when does it need to be made official? I would assume it would be by July 5th, no?

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 10:21 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 18 June 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

If I was that agent I wouldn't trust Holmgren.  He said the same thing to Carter's agent a week before he got dealt.
He told him Bryz isn't getting bought out, not Bryz isn't getting traded.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:13 AM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 18 June 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

He told him Bryz isn't getting bought out, not Bryz isn't getting traded.
What other GM in teh League is Dumb enough to take that contract off their hands?

View Postd4rksabre, on 18 June 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

Not surprising. Who the heck else is going to play net for that team? Would any goalie want to go there at this point, young or old?
At thedeadline last year they traded for a goalie, they picked up 24 year old Steve Mason from Columbus

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:16 AM

View Postapuszczalowski, on 19 June 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

What other GM in teh League is Dumb enough to take that contract off their hands?

At thedeadline last year they traded for a goalie, they picked up 24 year old Steve Mason from Columbus
Remember when they traded a guy and then he won the Vezina?  Lol philly is stupid.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:19 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 19 June 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Remember when they traded a guy and then he won the Vezina?  Lol philly is stupid.

They seem to lack the necessary patience.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:19 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 19 June 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Remember when they traded a guy and then he won the Vezina?  Lol philly is stupid.
I'd like to see if he can do it again, its not like a player has ever had one good season to win the vezina and never heard from again (See Carrey, Jim and I'm not talking about Ace Ventura)

But no matter what, I totally agree with teh Philly is Stupid part.......

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:23 AM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 19 June 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

They seem to lack the necessary patience.

View Postapuszczalowski, on 19 June 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

I'd like to see if he can do it again, its not like a player has ever had one good season to win the vezina and never heard from again (See Carrey, Jim and I'm not talking about Ace Ventura)

But no matter what, I totally agree with teh Philly is Stupid part.......
Both valid points.  Bobrovsky is the perfect example of patience paying off and i hope he does indeed continue his solid efforts in net.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:27 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 19 June 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

Both valid points.  Bobrovsky is the perfect example of patience paying off and i hope he does indeed continue his solid efforts in net.
Looking at his past, he seems like MANY goalies that he can be streaky. I think he will probably end up as a decent starter in the league, a guy who won't single handidly win you many games, but not a sieve thats going to cost you many either. The type of goalie that on a good team is enough to be a playoff team and maybe go a few rounds.

Philly lacks any patience, but I assume thats mostly because their wind of opportunity is closing very rapidly with all the aging vets and big contracts they have on the roster.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:29 AM

View Postapuszczalowski, on 19 June 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

Looking at his past, he seems like MANY goalies that he can be streaky. I think he will probably end up as a decent starter in the league, a guy who won't single handidly win you many games, but not a sieve thats going to cost you many either. The type of goalie that on a good team is enough to be a playoff team and maybe go a few rounds.

Philly lacks any patience, but I assume thats mostly because their wind of opportunity is closing very rapidly with all the aging vets and big contracts they have on the roster.

Been a lot of Philly Phuckups lately....namely moving Carter, Richards, JVR, and Bobrovsky.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:31 AM

View Postapuszczalowski, on 19 June 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

Looking at his past, he seems like MANY goalies that he can be streaky. I think he will probably end up as a decent starter in the league, a guy who won't single handidly win you many games, but not a sieve thats going to cost you many either. The type of goalie that on a good team is enough to be a playoff team and maybe go a few rounds.

Philly lacks any patience, but I assume thats mostly because their wind of opportunity is closing very rapidly with all the aging vets and big contracts they have on the roster.
I think philly has been suffering a long slow painful death since it traded Carter and Richards... their goaltending stupidty has only sped up the process.  Either way it amuses me they signed Bryz to forever and he is bad and Bobrovsky has turned around and won the Vezina. I expect he will not maintain his super human stats but I forsee he could be in the top 10 GT for the forseeable future.

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 19 June 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

Been a lot of Philly Phuckups lately....namely moving Carter, Richards, JVR, and Bobrovsky.
O yea! they did move JVR, what idiot thought that was a good idea?

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:58 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 19 June 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

I think philly has been suffering a long slow painful death since it traded Carter and Richards... their goaltending stupidty has only sped up the process.  Either way it amuses me they signed Bryz to forever and he is bad and Bobrovsky has turned around and won the Vezina. I expect he will not maintain his super human stats but I forsee he could be in the top 10 GT for the forseeable future.


O yea! they did move JVR, what idiot thought that was a good idea?
I can't see top 10, but he will stay a starter

As for JVR, it was a move to unite the Schenn brothers in Philly.........

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 12:00 PM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 18 June 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

If a team chooses to use one or both of their amnesty buyouts, when does it need to be made official? I would assume it would be by July 5th, no?

Anybody?

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 12:02 PM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 19 June 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:



Anybody?

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 12:15 PM

View Postapuszczalowski, on 19 June 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

What other GM in teh League is Dumb enough to take that contract off their hands?
One with a rich owner looking to acquire assets from Philly (ie buyout bryz for them).

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:09 PM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 19 June 2013 - 12:15 PM, said:

One with a rich owner looking to acquire assets from Philly (ie buyout bryz for them).

I'm starting to wonder if the buyout (at least for this year and next) is going to be the offer sheet of this CBA. Something the internets use to devise all these Rube Goldberg machinations (trades), but only a handful of teams actually use.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:13 PM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 18 June 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

If a team chooses to use one or both of their amnesty buyouts, when does it need to be made official? I would assume it would be by July 5th, no?

Buyout period starts 48 hours after the last Stanley Cup game .  You should expect that whomever is getting bought out it would be announced fairly quickly.  

July 4th at 5PM eastern is the deadline for amnesty buyouts.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:19 PM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 19 June 2013 - 12:15 PM, said:

One with a rich owner looking to acquire assets from Philly (ie buyout bryz for them).

I still don't fully understand why Philly would use valuable assets to "pay" a team to buy out Bryz when Snider pisses money each morning.  Seriously, why give up something like Couturier to save a few million per year when you have zero issue paying the few million yourself?  It makes zero sense for a big market team.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:19 PM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 19 June 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

Anybody?
never mind chz has it.

Edited by LGR4GM, 19 June 2013 - 01:19 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:24 PM

View PostLGR4GM, on 19 June 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

never mind chz has it.

Hmmmm, she did. Now it's gone. I was just signing on to reply and it disappeared. :o

Edited by JJFIVEOH, 19 June 2013 - 01:25 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:31 PM

Soory. Back up

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:35 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 19 June 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

Soory. Back up

Thanks! ;)

That makes more sense, allowing for teams to see what is available before free agency starts. I did a search and couldn't find anything.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:01 PM

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Figured I'd pin this.  Keep the discussion out of the regular thread.  Could get crazy, or not.

Some picks:

Savard
Leino
Stajan
Ruutu
Hossa
Jones, David
Wisniewski
Horcoff
Campbell

A few depending if they are on LTIR (can't buyout)

Guys like Pronger would just stay on LTIR

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:01 PM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 19 June 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:



I still don't fully understand why Philly would use valuable assets to "pay" a team to buy out Bryz when Snider pisses money each morning.  Seriously, why give up something like Couturier to save a few million per year when you have zero issue paying the few million yourself?  It makes zero sense for a big market team.

Only reason I can see is wanting to make more buyouts than the two freebies.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:29 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 18 June 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

If I was that agent I wouldn't trust Holmgren.  He said the same thing to Carter's agent a week before he got dealt.

Especially considering Holmgren came out after this report came out and said that he hasn't guaranteed anything in regards to Bryz.

Briere has admitted that he was told he'll be bought out. Doubt that changes. He'll be a UFA.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:33 PM

View Postdudacek, on 19 June 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

Only reason I can see is wanting to make more buyouts than the two freebies.

Right, but in Philly's case I just don't see another candidate. Not like they're going to use it on Pronger when he can just be stashed on LTIR without giving up an asset.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:38 PM

Potential buyouts, with the team:

Known:
Danny Briere (PHI)

Potential:
Ville Leino/Drew Stafford (BUF) (Have to assume they could get AT WORST a third out of Stafford in a trade)
Matt Stajan (CAL)
Tuomo Ruuttu (CAR)
Niklas Hjalmarsson/Steve Montador (CHI) (Doubt Hossa even gets considered for this)
James Wisniewski (COL)
Shawn Horcoff/Ales Hemsky (EDM) (GM said both would be gone, both could be traded)
Danny Heatley (MIN)
Rick Dipietro (NYI)
Brad Richards (NYR) (Reports say they won't buy him out)
Ilya Bryzgalov (PHI) (Mixed reports on whether or not he's been told he won't be bought out)
Paul Martin (PIT) (This will depend on Letang)
Martin Havlat (SJ)
Vinny Lecavalier (TB)
Mike Komisarek/Jean-Michael Liles (TOR)
Keith Ballard/Roberto Luongo (VAN)
Jeff Schultz (WAS)

Edited by DStebb, 19 June 2013 - 03:03 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:42 PM

Random nitpick/question.  Why are we using the term amnesty buyout?  The NHL uses the term "compliance buyout".  Amnesty buyout is an NBA term and the last thing we want to do is associate our wonderful sport with that game.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:44 PM

View Postshrader, on 19 June 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

Random nitpick/question.  Why are we using the term amnesty buyout?  The NHL uses the term "compliance buyout".  Amnesty buyout is an NBA term and the last thing we want to do is associate our wonderful sport with that game.

Hey,  no need for that!

Besides, the NBA actually made rule changes (and still enforces them) to get rid of that sport's version of the trap. I think the NHL could learn a thing or two from it about how to let your stars be stars.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:56 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 19 June 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Buyout period starts 48 hours after the last Stanley Cup game .  You should expect that whomever is getting bought out it would be announced fairly quickly.  

July 4th at 5PM eastern is the deadline for amnesty buyouts.

Then there is also a secondary buyout later in the year depending on teams that have arbitration cases or some such.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 03:41 PM

View Postshrader, on 19 June 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

Random nitpick/question.  Why are we using the term amnesty buyout?  The NHL uses the term "compliance buyout".  Amnesty buyout is an NBA term and the last thing we want to do is associate our wonderful sport with that game.

Do a search for 'amnesty buyout', everything that pops up is NHL related. :P

Seriously, they both bring up similar results in a search. I didn't look for the official NHL documentation.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 04:18 PM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 19 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

Do a search for 'amnesty buyout', everything that pops up is NHL related. :P

Seriously, they both bring up similar results in a search. I didn't look for the official NHL documentation.

I think the "amnesty" buyout name was avoided because it's pretty condescending. It's like saying "We made a mistake, you ###### suck and we're saving ourselves from you."


Compliance sounds more official. Either way, you're telling a guy he's not worth his contract, but this way is less insulting.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 05:50 PM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 19 June 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

They seem to lack the necessary patience.

they seem to lack any semblance of a defense..lol.. a goalie grave yard ...too many five on ones

Edited by waldo, 19 June 2013 - 05:51 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:54 PM

View PostDStebb, on 19 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Potential buyouts, with the team:

Known:
Danny Briere (PHI)

Potential:
Ville Leino/Drew Stafford (BUF) (Have to assume they could get AT WORST a third out of Stafford in a trade)
Matt Stajan (CAL)
Tuomo Ruuttu (CAR)
Niklas Hjalmarsson/Steve Montador (CHI) (Doubt Hossa even gets considered for this)
James Wisniewski (COL)
Shawn Horcoff/Ales Hemsky (EDM) (GM said both would be gone, both could be traded)
Danny Heatley (MIN)
Rick Dipietro (NYI)
Brad Richards (NYR) (Reports say they won't buy him out)
Ilya Bryzgalov (PHI) (Mixed reports on whether or not he's been told he won't be bought out)
Paul Martin (PIT) (This will depend on Letang)
Martin Havlat (SJ)
Vinny Lecavalier (TB)
Mike Komisarek/Jean-Michael Liles (TOR)
Keith Ballard/Roberto Luongo (VAN)
Jeff Schultz (WAS)

Quoting from Roto World:  Trade talks for Letang could heat up a the general managers' meeting on Wednesday.  ? Does anyone know if we might see some announcements out of this meeting or is more everyone keeps things close to the vest till right before draft day?

Edited by North Buffalo, 19 June 2013 - 06:55 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:01 PM

View PostNorth Buffalo, on 19 June 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

Quoting from Roto World:  Trade talks for Letang could heat up a the general managers' meeting on Wednesday.  ? Does anyone know if we might see some announcements out of this meeting or is more everyone keeps things close to the vest till right before draft day?

There will be some announcements before the draft. There have been some announcements regarding to rule change (they approve all the rule changes referred to them from an earlier meeting).

But as far as transactions: you'll get some announcements in the coming days. I'm willing to bet that Jon Bernier gets traded out of LA within a week.

I also have a strong feelling Letang gets traded, and if he does, Keith Yandle will be a primary trade target for Pittsburgh.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 08:14 PM

View PostJJFIVEOH, on 19 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:



Do a search for 'amnesty buyout', everything that pops up is NHL related. :P

Seriously, they both bring up similar results in a search. I didn't look for the official NHL documentation.

The word amnesty does not appear in the CBA a single time (assuming the search function on my computer worked properly). I still want to avoid NBA comparisons at any cost.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 08:27 PM

View Postshrader, on 19 June 2013 - 08:14 PM, said:

The word amnesty does not appear in the CBA a single time (assuming the search function on my computer worked properly). I still want to avoid NBA comparisons at any cost.

Not that big of a deal. Everybody understands. It's the same thing.

Don't worry, the NHL is nothing like the NBA. Probably half the flopping, actual fights, not rigged.

Edited by DStebb, 19 June 2013 - 08:28 PM.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:22 AM

View PostMattPie, on 19 June 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

I'm starting to wonder if the buyout (at least for this year and next) is going to be the offer sheet of this CBA. Something the internets use to devise all these Rube Goldberg machinations (trades), but only a handful of teams actually use.
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I still don't fully understand why Philly would use valuable assets to "pay" a team to buy out Bryz when Snider pisses money each morning.  Seriously, why give up something like Couturier to save a few million per year when you have zero issue paying the few million yourself?  It makes zero sense for a big market team.
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