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#1 hockeyhound

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:20 PM

Mr. Pegula makes a lot of money drilling for natural gas; however, his world and the lives of everyone on this planet may change forever very soon.

Inventor Andrea Rossi has made cold fussion a 21st century reality since his E-Cat unit has been independently tested.

Mr. Rossi's invention is said to produce a significant amount of clean heat energy.

This invention will significantly reduce the need for fossel fuel; however, as dynamic as this may sound, this invention will truely upset the balance of power, and I am not sure that those who retain that power will be willing to give it up.

Have fun with this one.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:33 PM

View Posthockeyhound, on 17 June 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Mr. Pegula makes a lot of money drilling for natural gas; however, his world and the lives of everyone on this planet may change forever very soon.

Inventor Andrea Rossi has made cold fussion a 21st century reality since his E-Cat unit has been independently tested.

Mr. Rossi's invention is said to produce a significant amount of clean heat energy.

This invention will significantly reduce the need for fossel fuel; however, as dynamic as this may sound, this invention will truely upset the balance of power, and I am not sure that those who retain that power will be willing to give it up.

Have fun with this one.

http://www.forbes.co...ange-after-all/

http://www.pureenerg...fered-for-free/
It is very interesting that you have posted this as your location indicates San Diego where another lab EMC2 is currently working on Electro-Static Confinement fusion in an effort to reach the holy grail of fusion: Boron

http://thepolywellblog.blogspot.com/

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:35 PM

This board's holy grail of fusion has always been, and always will be, inkman and chz.

Edited by PASabreFan, 17 June 2013 - 02:35 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:42 PM

It's all fun and games until Bane steals it and converts it to a massive nuclear bomb.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:46 PM

View PostPASabreFan, on 17 June 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

This board's holy grail of fusion has always been, and always will be, inkman and chz.

Perhaps.  But cold fusion? if so, you're selling one or the other short.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 03:00 PM

Is this like a new KY?

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 03:19 PM

Cornell University was very interested in Andrea Rossi's E-Cat demonstration.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 03:21 PM

I thought Val Kilmer and Elizabeth Shue took care of this problem in 1997.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 03:22 PM

I hope affordable personal cold fusion reactors are made available before the zombie apocalypse. Would be a game changer.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 03:22 PM

View Postshrader, on 17 June 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

It's all fun and games until Bane steals it and converts it to a massive nuclear bomb.

And then threatens to do things in a way that he never does, making the plot extremely weak and diminishing his character's overall importance?

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 03:27 PM

Recently, the evaluation of Rossi’s cold fusion reactor has been indeed verified by an independent group of scientists formed by Giuseppe Levi and Evelyn Foschi from the University of Bologna, Torbjörn Hartman, Bo Höistad, Roland Pettersson and Lars Tegnér from the University of Uppsala, Sweden and Hanno Essén from the Royal Institute of Technology of Stockholm. The group published an independent study whose results can be checked here.
Their conclusions show that even in the worst case scenarios, Rossi’s cold fusion reactor generates 10 times more energy than any other source currently exploited by the human kind. NASA is also studying the same approach with its Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR).
The numbers show the E-cat has a power density of 4.4 x 105 W/kg and an energy density of 5.1 x 107 Wh/kg. This means that it generates 10,000 more energy than gasoline and has 1,000 times its power density. Nevertheless, Rossi’s critics are still continuing to ask for a new investigation, this time performed in an independent laboratory, as they say the tests performed could have been intentionally flawed by the inventor in his own location.
If the experiment will prove itself true, humanity has discovered something better than a gold mine. NASA says we only need 1 percent of the nicked extracted worldwide each year to power our entire planet with energy at a quarter of the price of coal (now the cheapest).
So, in the wake of electric car domination (hopefully), we can hope there’s a new source of energy that can power them besides batteries and fuel cells, and that is the long-awaited cold fusion.

http://www.greenopti...s/#.Ub9wWNiyIY1

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 03:33 PM

View Postubkev, on 17 June 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

I thought Val Kilmer and Elizabeth Shue took care of this problem in 1997.
The Saint?

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 04:03 PM

View PostRobviously, on 17 June 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:


The Saint?

Yes sir!

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 04:38 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 17 June 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

And then threatens to do things in a way that he never does, making the plot extremely weak and diminishing his character's overall importance?

Meanwhile no one questions Bruce Wayne's magical teleportation from a prison half way around the world to Gotham City.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 04:54 PM

View PostGlass Case Of Emotion, on 17 June 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:



Meanwhile no one questions Bruce Wayne's magical teleportation from a prison half way around the world to Gotham City.

Or that hanging from some ropes in a cave somehow fixes severe back injuries...

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:21 PM

Physicist here.

Andrea Rossi's an A1 scumbag.  He's a snakeoil salesman that spent a few years in the klink for tax fraud after he sunk his company by dumping hazardous waste into the environment.  His cold fusion sideshows are unverifiable garbage because he refuses to let his work be peer-reviewed in the name of protecting his "intellectual property."  For a soapbox, he owns and publishes "The Journal of Nuclear Physics," a blog meant to resemble a peer-reviewed scientific journal that is neither peer-reviewed nor scientific.  He is the L. Ron Hubbard of physics and he's trying to sell Dianetics.

And just so there's some redeaming value to this thread, I'll add a pretty good read for those to enjoy reading science, even especially if it's only in the news once in a while.  Highly recommended:
http://quackfiles.bl...us-science.html

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The Seven Warning Signs of Bogus Science
1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.

2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to suppress his or her work.

3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of detection.

4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.

5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for centuries.

6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.

7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an observation.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:27 PM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 17 June 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Physicist here.

Andrea Rossi's an A1 scumbag...et al

Awwww, you mean gas isn't going to get cheaper anytime soon?

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:33 PM

How about just turning off lights in rooms that aren't being used and checking your tire pressure.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 11:14 PM

I'm more excited about the potential applications of Graphene.

Oops. Didn't mean to highjack no thread so I'll add that cold fusion sounds promising as well to throw it back on track.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 06:36 AM

It's all Darcy's fault.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:17 AM

View Postubkev, on 17 June 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

I thought Val Kilmer and Elizabeth Shue took care of this problem in 1997.
They did, but they need to steal it back from Russia again along with Bob Kraft's super bowl ring.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:37 AM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 17 June 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Physicist here.

Andrea Rossi's an A1 scumbag.  He's a snakeoil salesman that spent a few years in the klink for tax fraud after he sunk his company by dumping hazardous waste into the environment.  His cold fusion sideshows are unverifiable garbage because he refuses to let his work be peer-reviewed in the name of protecting his "intellectual property."  For a soapbox, he owns and publishes "The Journal of Nuclear Physics," a blog meant to resemble a peer-reviewed scientific journal that is neither peer-reviewed nor scientific.  He is the L. Ron Hubbard of physics and he's trying to sell Dianetics.

And just so there's some redeaming value to this thread, I'll add a pretty good read for those to enjoy reading science, even especially if it's only in the news once in a while.  Highly recommended:
http://quackfiles.bl...us-science.html

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So you're saying that I don't have to worry about Bane showing up any time soon?  That's a relief.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:39 AM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 17 June 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Physicist here.

Andrea Rossi's an A1 scumbag.  He's a snakeoil salesman that spent a few years in the klink for tax fraud after he sunk his company by dumping hazardous waste into the environment.  His cold fusion sideshows are unverifiable garbage because he refuses to let his work be peer-reviewed in the name of protecting his "intellectual property."  For a soapbox, he owns and publishes "The Journal of Nuclear Physics," a blog meant to resemble a peer-reviewed scientific journal that is neither peer-reviewed nor scientific.  He is the L. Ron Hubbard of physics and he's trying to sell Dianetics.

And just so there's some redeaming value to this thread, I'll add a pretty good read for those to enjoy reading science, even especially if it's only in the news once in a while.  Highly recommended:
http://quackfiles.bl...us-science.html

I currently have a fusion physicist looking into Rossi's cold fusion but he was very skeptical.  This guy has his doctorate.  Basically there are several problems with Fusion Tech that are currently being worked on by Scientists.  

Specific issues with Rossi's device as mentioned in the following article:
1) The Coulomb Barrier: Point at which Positively charge protons no longer repel eachother
2) Gamma Radiation: Nuclear Reactions throw off a lot of gamma rays
3) Nickel to Copper: takes extreme amounts of energy, on the scale above a super nova
4) Power: No one has been allowed to verify that the device does not have a superficial power source
5) Catalyst: The biggest read flag is that Rossi will not divulge what he uses to create his reaction.  Every Fusion device requires some sort of Catalyst to begin the process. Rossi won't say what his uses.

http://news.discover...bunk-130528.htm

For a really good read about Fusion Energy and especially the issues with one promising device I recommend this: http://thepolywellblog.blogspot.com/

Edited by LGR4GM, 24 June 2013 - 08:18 AM.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:40 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 18 June 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

2) Gamma Radiation: Nuclear Reactions throw off a lot of gamma rays

Oh ######, this guy is going to create the Hulk too?

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:52 AM

View Postshrader, on 18 June 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:



Oh ######, this guy is going to create the Hulk too?

Bruce Banner kinda looks like Eleven.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:52 AM

I'm thinking Hitler will be invited into the discussion soon ..........

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:54 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 18 June 2013 - 07:52 AM, said:

Bruce Banner kinda looks like Eleven.

But don't we like 11 when he's angry?

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:55 AM

I hate it when my fusion gets cold - I just pop it in the microwave for 37 seconds and it is piping hot again!

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:58 AM

View PostROC Sabres, on 18 June 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

They did, but they need to steal it back from Russia again along with Bob Kraft's super bowl ring.

Vlad is the man!......

Don't worry about energy. The world is 70% oversubscribed and will eventually find it's way to balance.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:58 AM

View Postshrader, on 18 June 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

But don't we like 11 when he's angry?

Yes.

And speaking of 11.

He announces his engagement and then vanishes.  Maybe he has eloped, or has been 11napped.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:01 AM

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 18 June 2013 - 07:58 AM, said:

Yes.

And speaking of 11.

He announces his engagement and then vanishes.  Maybe he has eloped, or has been 11napped.

I know I've found myself with much better ways of killing time post-engagement.  Unfortunately those options aren't available during the work day.  If only someone would invent some sort of cold fusion device, my problems would go away.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:27 AM

OK, screw all this. What celebrity do you want to speak the words in the subject line?

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:31 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 18 June 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

OK, screw all this. What celebrity do you want to speak the words in the subject line?

Morgan Freeman of course.  Well maybe Marilyn Monroe?

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:33 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 18 June 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

OK, screw all this. What celebrity do you want to speak the words in the subject line?

Peter Cullen, the guy who does the voice for Optimus Prime.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:35 AM

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 18 June 2013 - 07:58 AM, said:

Yes.

And speaking of 11.

He announces his engagement and then vanishes.  Maybe he has eloped, or has been 11napped.

Hopefully he's just taking an offseason break....

Unfortunately I've seen this happen many, many times with friends of mine.  Sometimes it comes with the engagement, but usually it's after saying "I do" that you begin to see total lockdown.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:36 AM

View Postubkev, on 17 June 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

I thought Val Kilmer and Elizabeth Shue took care of this problem in 1997.
Mmmm...Elisabeth Shue


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:56 AM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 17 June 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

And just so there's some redeaming value to this thread, I'll add a pretty good read for those to enjoy reading science, even especially if it's only in the news once in a while.  Highly recommended:
http://quackfiles.bl...us-science.html

That's just the science establishment trying to bring him down! Stop suppressing the truth!

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:06 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 18 June 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

OK, screw all this. What celebrity do you want to speak the words in the subject line?

James Earl Jones of course.  With some deep, assisted breathing just prior to and after the words are spoken.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:37 AM

A cold few shunts rattled down the freighter on the chilled November morning.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:53 AM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 17 June 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Physicist here.

Andrea Rossi's an A1 scumbag.  He's a snakeoil salesman that spent a few years in the klink for tax fraud after he sunk his company by dumping hazardous waste into the environment.  His cold fusion sideshows are unverifiable garbage because he refuses to let his work be peer-reviewed in the name of protecting his "intellectual property."  For a soapbox, he owns and publishes "The Journal of Nuclear Physics," a blog meant to resemble a peer-reviewed scientific journal that is neither peer-reviewed nor scientific.  He is the L. Ron Hubbard of physics and he's trying to sell Dianetics.

And just so there's some redeaming value to this thread, I'll add a pretty good read for those to enjoy reading science, even especially if it's only in the news once in a while.  Highly recommended:
http://quackfiles.bl...us-science.html

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