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#1 Lorenzo Von Matterhorn

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:04 PM

Just like to introduce myself before I posted anywhere else, been a Sabres fan for years and have endured the struggles that comes with it and look forward to having others to share the struggle with haha.

I'll give my stance on a few things so you guys know how I feel: Haven't been a huge fan of Darcy in the past but I do love what he is in the process of doing now having 10 picks in this upcoming draft with 5 picks in the top 69 and already having 8 for 2014 before counting what we could get for Miller / Vanek / Stafford and yes I believe we should trade all 3 of them.

Stafford has been mediocre and hasn't produced in awhile, but I do feel we could get some good value for him because other organizations believe they can fix him.

I feel Enroth is ready to start in this league after seeing his play at the end of the year and at the IIHF and would love to resign Leggio and give him a shot at the NHL level because I feel he deserves that chance with his play in the last 2 years.

There are a few teams I have in mind that we could trade Miller to and receive great value back. I would hate to trade Miller to Tampa for the reason that they are in the division now but let's be honest we're really not going anywhere in the next 2 years anyway. Also, I have a huge man crush on Jonathan Drouin and would absolutely love to get up to that #3 spot that Tampa has to get him because I feel that Colorado will take Jones because he grew up there playing hockey and they really need defense and with the hiring of Patrick Roy he understands the importance of having an anchor back there.

I also feel Florida will stay at 2 and draft Mackinnon to eventually pair him with Huberdeau on their first line (maybe even next year with how bad they are) especially since I noticed Mackinnon and Huberdeau played a lot together on Team Canada over the past few years. And that could leave us with Drouin at the #3 and Stevie Y has been looking to solidify that goalie situation for some years now.

Also, wouldn't mind keeping Vanek and making him the captain, but I feel as if he wants to have a chance to win and wouldn't be into this whole rebuilding process Darcy has been speaking of. Also, given what we got for Pommer, the value we could get for Vanek would be excellent.

Add the value we get from those 3 to the 18 picks we have in the next 2 years and I believe that is a perfect way to rebuild this franchise.

Also, read the title post with making Weber the captain and I love that with the hardwork and dedication he brings to the game, and his great personality and his improved play and I don't see a better option for a captain than him.

Look forward to talking with you all and sorry this was so long but I think it's a decent way to start here on sabrespace haha

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:20 PM

You are in luck.....How I Met Your Mother is Ted Black's favorite show.......don't ask how I know.....

You sound fairly logical......that gets you out of the initiation process where you have to play Truth or Dare with encrusted members.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:33 PM

Hello. I don't really know how Truth or Dare works, but, truthfully, would you want to be the meat in a Marcus Foligno-Taylor Pyatt sandwich?

Also, did you know the Sabres were for sale in 2002/2003?

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:02 PM

View PostPASabreFan, on 25 May 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Hello. I don't really know how Truth or Dare works, but, truthfully, would you want to be the meat in a Marcus Foligno-Taylor Pyatt sandwich?
As long as he(?) doesn't want to be the mayonnaise were ok.

Stafford has no value, no one is trading out of the top 3 (drouin, mackininen, jones), vanek and miller's trade value is seriously diminished as they only have one year left on their deals.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:23 PM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 25 May 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

You are in luck.....How I Met Your Mother is Ted Black's favorite show.......don't ask how I know.....

You sound fairly logical......that gets you out of the initiation process where you have to play Truth or Dare with encrusted members.
Interesting, probably would've gone my life without knowing that and like to think of myself as not a ridiculous hockey fan with keeping realistic ideas in mind


View PostPASabreFan, on 25 May 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Hello. I don't really know how Truth or Dare works, but, truthfully, would you want to be the meat in a Marcus Foligno-Taylor Pyatt sandwich?

Also, did you know the Sabres were for sale in 2002/2003?
I guess the meat would be best thing to be rather than the bread or condiments and I did not know that at the time since I was 11 but yes I do know that's when Golisano got the team.

View Postinkman, on 25 May 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:


Stafford has no value, no one is trading out of the top 3 (drouin, mackininen, jones), vanek and miller's trade value is seriously diminished as they only have one year left on their deals.
Honestly I'd take whatever I could get for Stafford just as long as I don't have to see him on the Sabres anymore haha and you have a point but a team desperate for a goalie like Tampa or Philly would still be interested and we could still get a decent return and you could make some of the return conditional barring that they resign with the team they're traded to.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:42 PM

View Postinkman, on 25 May 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

vanek and miller's trade value is seriously diminished as they only have one year left on their deals.

This may have been discussed elsewhere (in fact I'd be surprised if it wasn't) but I've been told that the Sabres can allow a team to hash out an extension with Vanek/Miller prior to accepting a trade. I thought that sounded ridiculous and I can't remember seeing it in recent years. Can anyone clear up whether or not this is legal and exactly what stipulations apply?

Just to be clear I'm not talking about Buffalo extending the players to utilize the maximum contract length, which would not be able to happen until after the draft. I'm talking Buffalo letting teams come to a verbal agreement with either player regarding an extension prior to the draft/free agency.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 05:34 PM

Welcome! You picked the best Sabres site there is, lots of knowledgeable members here with lots to say.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 05:45 PM

View Postthesportsbuff, on 25 May 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

This may have been discussed elsewhere (in fact I'd be surprised if it wasn't) but I've been told that the Sabres can allow a team to hash out an extension with Vanek/Miller prior to accepting a trade. I thought that sounded ridiculous and I can't remember seeing it in recent years. Can anyone clear up whether or not this is legal and exactly what stipulations apply?

Just to be clear I'm not talking about Buffalo extending the players to utilize the maximum contract length, which would not be able to happen until after the draft. I'm talking Buffalo letting teams come to a verbal agreement with either player regarding an extension prior to the draft/free agency.
If if true, it still leaves their relative value less than what it could be as this extra pain in the ass measure is thrown in.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:42 PM

View Postbillsrcursed, on 25 May 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

Welcome! You picked the best Sabres site there is, lots of knowledgeable members here with lots to say.
Oh we've got lots to say alright.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:45 PM

Too much text for me to read... but, welcome!

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 09:19 PM

View PostLorenzo Von Matterhorn, on 25 May 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

Just like to introduce myself before I posted anywhere else,

Welcome.   +1 for changing away the Timmy avatar already.

Edited by nobody, 25 May 2013 - 09:19 PM.


#12 Lorenzo Von Matterhorn

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 06:38 PM

View Postbillsrcursed, on 25 May 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

Welcome! You picked the best Sabres site there is, lots of knowledgeable members here with lots to say.
Yeah finally have a place to vent with others about this team haha

View PostPotato, on 25 May 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

Too much text for me to read... but, welcome!
Probably should have limited it more but I have lots to say as well

Thanks for the welcome guys

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 09:32 PM

Do you like Old Spice?

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 07:22 AM

Welcome to one of the better sabres forums around :)

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 08:48 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 26 May 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

Do you like Old Spice?

Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 08:52 AM

View PostSpndnchz, on 27 May 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:



Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

I do like baseball.

#17 Lorenzo Von Matterhorn

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 09:08 AM

View Postd4rksabre, on 26 May 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

Do you like Old Spice?
That is my preferred deodorant

View PostSpndnchz, on 27 May 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

Do you want me to check the weather?

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 09:52 AM

View PostSpndnchz, on 27 May 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:



Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

Inky doesn't count

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 09:48 AM

View Postnobody, on 25 May 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

Welcome.   +1 for changing away the Timmy avatar already.

-1000 for appearing to be pro-Jets. :-)

Edited by MattPie, 28 May 2013 - 09:48 AM.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 10:04 AM

View PostMattPie, on 28 May 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

-1000 for appearing to be pro-Jets. :-)
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Posted 28 May 2013 - 03:54 PM

View PostMattPie, on 28 May 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

-1000 for appearing to be pro-Jets. :-)
Very pro Jets but doesn't that just make you feel sorry for me? Lol

View PostLGR4GM, on 28 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

or

Think I'll be forever haunted with this

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 04:27 PM

View PostLorenzo Von Matterhorn, on 28 May 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Very pro Jets but doesn't that just make you feel sorry for me? Lol

Really? You're asking Bills' fans if they're going to feel sorry for anyone else? :)

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 04:33 PM

View PostMattPie, on 28 May 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

Really? You're asking Bills' fans if they're going to feel sorry for anyone else? :)

Especially when that team has recent conference championship appearances.

J-E-T-S SUCK SUCK SUCK!

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 06:16 PM

View PostMattPie, on 28 May 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

Really? You're asking Bills' fans if they're going to feel sorry for anyone else? :)

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 28 May 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Especially when that team has recent conference championship appearances.

J-E-T-S SUCK SUCK SUCK!
Meant more towards the aspect the national media doesn't leave us alone every day of the year and yeah I sympathize with you guys there but how a team goes from that to the national circus is what is a joke

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 06:34 PM

View PostLorenzo Von Matterhorn, on 28 May 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

Meant more towards the aspect the national media doesn't leave us alone every day of the year and yeah I sympathize with you guys there but how a team goes from that to the national circus is what is a joke

In fairness, the Jets bring that on themselves a lot of the time.  The Sanchez extension, trading for Tebow, Rex Ryan being Rex Ryan (I actually like him and wish more coaches were like him, for what it's worth), Plaxico, etc.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 08:16 PM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 28 May 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

In fairness, the Jets bring that on themselves a lot of the time.  The Sanchez extension, trading for Tebow, Rex Ryan being Rex Ryan (I actually like him and wish more coaches were like him, for what it's worth), Plaxico, etc.
Yeah not recently ever since Tannebaum was fired, all those moves were him and yes I like Rex too and hope he stays past this year

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:12 AM

View PostLorenzo Von Matterhorn, on 28 May 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Very pro Jets but doesn't that just make you feel sorry for me? Lol


Think I'll be forever haunted with this
Don't be haunted by it but think of all the Joy it has brought millions of people!

Seriously though welcome to the board.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:38 AM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 28 May 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Especially when that team has recent conference championship appearances.

J-E-T-S SUCK SUCK SUCK!

I've always been a fan of the lesser used:
S-U-C-K JETS JETS JETS!