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#1 26CornerBlitz

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:49 PM

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Philadelphia Flyers :: Briere to be bought out by Flyers http://www.thefourth...hi130523.html …

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:50 PM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 23 May 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

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Never my favorite player but right now I'd take him for a year or two @ 2-3 million.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:53 PM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 23 May 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

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Brad Richards to be bought out? really?

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:59 PM

Makes sense seeing they're getting Miller.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:05 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 23 May 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Makes sense seeing they're getting Miller.

Breezy has to be their 2nd buyout I'd think.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:10 PM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 23 May 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Breezy has to be their 2nd buyout I'd think.

They said they weren't going to buy Bryz out I think

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:12 PM

View PostThirtyEight, on 23 May 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

They said they weren't going to buy Bryz out I think

News to me if true.  I know the Flyers are not happy with his uneven play given the high cost of his deal.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostThirtyEight, on 23 May 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

They said they weren't going to buy Bryz out I think

I think the point was they're not going to blow $12M on two goaltenders if they bring in Miller.

Edited by MattPie, 23 May 2013 - 02:16 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:20 PM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 23 May 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

News to me if true.  I know the Flyers are not happy with his uneven play given the high cost of his deal.

http://prohockeytalk...-out-bryzgalov/

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:23 PM

View PostThirtyEight, on 23 May 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:


Thanks for the link, but I'm not sure I buy what Holmgren is selling. Guess we'll see.

Shame the Flyers gave up on Bobrovsky too soon. :lol:

Edited by 26CornerBlitz, 23 May 2013 - 02:27 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:26 PM

View PostThirtyEight, on 23 May 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:


Is this sort of like how Carter and Richards were Flyers for life? :P

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:02 PM

View Postinkman, on 23 May 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Never my favorite player but right now I'd take him for a year or two @ 2-3 million.

I guess it depends how the draft goes, and how our roster shakes out if there are trades.  Briere was always a defensive liability and has considerable wear on his tires...wouldn't be my first option, but certainly worth consideration.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:05 PM

Interesting how the ball is starting to roll.  IMO Briere for right price is better than Richards for any price.

View PostDHawerchuk10, on 23 May 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

I guess it depends how the draft goes, and how our roster shakes out if there are trades.  Briere was always a defensive liability and has considerable wear on his tires...wouldn't be my first option, but certainly worth consideration.
Not as much as Stafford, at least the guy could carry the puck up ice and hustled.  His problem was size and injuries.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:20 PM

View PostNorth Buffalo, on 23 May 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Interesting how the ball is starting to roll.  IMO Briere for right price is better than Richards for any price.
Two quick thoughts.

1) Why would either ever sign with the Sabres.

2) What are the Sabres going to do with older stars that are just playing out the string?

Leave the past in the past.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:05 PM

Hey, if Briere and Richards are bought out, I'd go sign Richards and Morrow. Then we'd have a line of former Dallas stars.

Edited by thewookie1, 23 May 2013 - 07:05 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:06 PM

Holmgren is not going to buy out Breezy.
He's going to trade him to Buffalo with prospects and picks for Miller.
Then Darcy is going is going to buy him out.

I am convinced this is the new strategy for using Terry's millions.
I will be very surprised if we don't make this type of trade this summer.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:23 PM

View Postdudacek, on 23 May 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

Holmgren is not going to buy out Breezy.
He's going to trade him to Buffalo with prospects and picks for Miller.
Then Darcy is going is going to buy him out.

I am convinced this is the new strategy for using Terry's millions.
I will be very surprised if we don't make this type of trade this summer.

If we buy out Bryz for them, that trade better be coming with Simmonds/Voracek/Couturier/Schenn (the good one).  The cap hits in years 6-7 would be 5 and 6, respectively.  F that for picks/prospects.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:32 PM

I'm talking the two get out of jail free buyouts.
Just cash. No cap hit.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:51 PM

View Postdudacek, on 23 May 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

I'm talking the two get out of jail free buyouts.
Just cash. No cap hit.

I'm retarded.  Carry on.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:14 AM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 23 May 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

I'm retarded.  Carry on.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:49 AM

Briere COULD be a nice addition to guide that young young center squad

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 11:00 AM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 23 May 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

If we buy out Bryz for them, that trade better be coming with Simmonds/Voracek/Couturier/Schenn (the good one).  The cap hits in years 6-7 would be 5 and 6, respectively.  F that for picks/prospects.

As long as they are allowed to use an amnesty buy out for a player acquired, the there is no cap hit, just cash pay out.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:56 PM

View Posttom webster, on 24 May 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

As long as they are allowed to use an amnesty buy out for a player acquired, the there is no cap hit, just cash pay out.

I will be very disappointed If Darcy doesn't use Terry's millions with the amnesty buyouts as a way of making trades this offseason.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:17 AM

View Postnobody, on 24 May 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

I will be very disappointed If Darcy doesn't use Terry's millions with the amnesty buyouts as a way of making trades this offseason.

What makes you think Terry wants to waste money like that ?

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 09:45 AM

View Postnobody, on 24 May 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

I will be very disappointed If Darcy doesn't use Terry's millions with the amnesty buyouts as a way of making trades this offseason.

Didn't I read somewhere, that management were done throwing huge offers at players, and trying to make the franchise fincancially responsible again?

Direct translation - Uncle Terry's done throwing money into a black hole.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 09:57 AM

Darcy said the way to win was to acquire talented young players.
Ted implied raising ticket prices was financially responsible.
Neither said anything about not spending.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 11:59 AM

View Postdudacek, on 25 May 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

Darcy said the way to win was to acquire talented young players.
Ted implied raising ticket prices was financially responsible.
Neither said anything about not spending.

While I'm not suggesting this will be Rigas-like tight spending all over again, the two remarks you just posted tells me exactly that they're done spending as big as they have.

Spending big, yes. But seeing as none of the really big free agents wanted to come here, even for ludicrous money, of course the franchise has no options left, other than "talented young players".

I don't think Terry minds this approach one bit. I know I wouldn't, if I were the owner.

Now, I know he said this wasn't about money, and if he needed money he'd drill another gas well. Only problem is, he said a lot of things at that time, and so far he has yet to deliver on most of it.

Doesn't really matter anyway, they're thrown money at all the wrong players anyway.

And most people know the key to winning is not "talented young players", it's the right mix of players, any size, any type, and to a certain extent, any age

Edited by Kristian, 25 May 2013 - 12:08 PM.


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 12:25 PM

Well the plan I hope would to be to take a big contract off of another team which would then be amnesty bought out.  In the process the Sabres would get a young talent or a top draft pick as compensation.  Throw in Miller and Vanek into that mix as you see fit.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:38 PM

View PostPeppy22, on 24 May 2013 - 09:49 AM, said:

Briere COULD be a nice addition to guide that young young center squad

yep, he could teach them how to dig for acorns  with the end of their stick when the ref's eyes are occupied elsewhere.

Miller and Vanek to Philly  and morrow , briere, the breeze and the flower coming back plus picks. lol

Edited by waldo, 26 May 2013 - 04:42 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:03 AM

View PostGlass Case Of Emotion, on 23 May 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

Brad Richards to be bought out? really?

I've read it several places that this is a real possibility. I had no idea that the guy was a healthy scratch toward the end of the Bruins series. Jeez Louise.

I guess we did very well by losing out on the Richards sweepstakes in 2011.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:19 AM

View PostThat Aud Smell, on 28 May 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

I've read it several places that this is a real possibility. I had no idea that the guy was a healthy scratch toward the end of the Bruins series. Jeez Louise.

I guess we did very well by losing out on the Richards sweepstakes in 2011.

My understanding is that it is not so much the concern for Richard's play, but the structure of the contract as it relates to the new CBA. He has three $1M seasons to finish the contract from 2017-2020. I don't think he intended to ever play those years when he'll be nearing age 40. With the new CBA and the "Cap Advantage Recapture" they would be on the hook for massive cap hits if he retired (on the order of $6M/year). If they don't buy him out this summer, they risk him being injured next summer, and missing the Amnesty window.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:24 AM

View PostGlass Case Of Emotion, on 28 May 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

My understanding is that it is not so much the concern for Richard's play, but the structure of the contract as it relates to the new CBA. He has three $1M seasons to finish the contract from 2017-2020. I don't think he intended to ever play those years when he'll be nearing age 40. With the new CBA and the "Cap Advantage Recapture" they would be on the hook for massive cap hits if he retired (on the order of $6M/year). If they don't buy him out this summer, they risk him being injured next summer, and missing the Amnesty window.
That's right. The optimal time for buyout is now. Crazy.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:58 AM

View PostX. Benedict, on 28 May 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

That's right. The optimal time for buyout is now. Crazy.
There but for our small market woes...

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:55 PM

View PostGlass Case Of Emotion, on 28 May 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

My understanding is that it is not so much the concern for Richard's play, but the structure of the contract as it relates to the new CBA. He has three $1M seasons to finish the contract from 2017-2020. I don't think he intended to ever play those years when he'll be nearing age 40. With the new CBA and the "Cap Advantage Recapture" they would be on the hook for massive cap hits if he retired (on the order of $6M/year). If they don't buy him out this summer, they risk him being injured next summer, and missing the Amnesty window.

Right, right. I infer that his level of play is a factor, but not the main one. I also read (somewhere in the Twittersphere) that the Rangers could take a cap hit as high as ~$17M if Richards were to retire early. :blink:

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 01:01 PM

View PostThat Aud Smell, on 28 May 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

Right, right. I infer that his level of play is a factor, but not the main one. I also read (somewhere in the Twittersphere) that the Rangers could take a cap hit as high as ~$17M if Richards were to retire early. :blink:

That 17 mill is spread out over the remaining years of the contract.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 01:17 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 28 May 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

That 17 mill is spread out over the remaining years of the contract.

http://www.philly.co...th_Rangers.html

Katie Strang of ESPN presents the following scenario, which would be less than ideal for the Rangers:


The rule penalizes teams for any cap advantage gained from a player whose salary exceeds his cap hit in a given year. Richards was paid $24 million in salary over the first two years of the deal, which comes with an annual cap hit of $6.66 million. The last three years of his deal, he is due to make $1 million annually. Under the parameters of the rule, the Rangers would be charged with a penalty of $5.66 million if Richards were to retire in the offseason of 2017, $8.5 million in 2018, and $17 million in 2019.



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:07 PM

View PostThat Aud Smell, on 28 May 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:



http://www.philly.co...th_Rangers.html

Katie Strang of ESPN presents the following scenario, which would be less than ideal for the Rangers:


The rule penalizes teams for any cap advantage gained from a player whose salary exceeds his cap hit in a given year. Richards was paid $24 million in salary over the first two years of the deal, which comes with an annual cap hit of $6.66 million. The last three years of his deal, he is due to make $1 million annually. Under the parameters of the rule, the Rangers would be charged with a penalty of $5.66 million if Richards were to retire in the offseason of 2017, $8.5 million in 2018, and $17 million in 2019.


And the Rangers would let him retire with a year left? Holy legacy Batman!

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:11 PM

Isn't Ehrhoff's contract structured similar to Richards'? but at 66% of the money.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:21 PM

View PostKristian, on 25 May 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

Didn't I read somewhere, that management were done throwing huge offers at players, and trying to make the franchise fincancially responsible again?

Direct translation - Uncle Terry's done throwing money into a black hole.
I'm sure the $10 mil signing bonus they gave to Mr. Marfan was a real kick in the nuts to Pegs, and he will think twice before doing that again with an RFA.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:11 AM

Briere has the size darcy likes