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#1 CheckingLine

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:25 PM

Successful endeavors start with good analysis, then a plan.  Here is my 2 cents of analysis.  Most winning teams have two lines that can score, a line that can stop the other team's top line, an energy line, at least 4 top D-men, 2 NHL ready D men and a serviceable goalie.  As GM, here is my core and summer To-Do list.

Top six:                                              Top 4 D
Vanek  Hodgson     Leino.                 Ehrhoff.      ?
    ?       Grigorenko       ?                   Myers.       Weber

Checking Line.                                    NHL Ready D
Foligno.  ?   Ott/Flynn/Stafford            Pysyk.      Sekera

Energy Line
Scott/Kaleta  ?  Tropp

Holes to fill this off season:
-Two top six wings
-Third line center
-Forth line center
-Top D-man

Filling can be thru trades, free agents, prospects, return to form, etc
Yes, there are some names missing...and I did not discuss goal tendering.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:44 PM

I'd build a tree fort in my yard.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:45 PM

With expensive ketchups - Dijon ketchup!

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:48 PM

With little pre-wrapped sausages and things.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:50 PM

View PostCheckingLine, on 02 May 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

Successful endeavors start with good analysis, then a plan.  Here is my 2 cents of analysis.  Most winning teams have two lines that can score, a line that can stop the other team's top line, an energy line, at least 4 top D-men, 2 NHL ready D men and a serviceable goalie.  As GM, here is my core and summer To-Do list.

Top six:   Top 4 D
Vanek  Hodgson Leino. Ehrhoff.   ?
?    Grigorenko    ?    Myers.    Weber

Checking Line. NHL Ready D
Foligno.  ?   Ott/Flynn/Stafford Pysyk.   Sekera

Energy Line
Scott/Kaleta  ?  Tropp

Holes to fill this off season:
-Two top six wings
-Third line center
-Forth line center
-Top D-man

Filling can be thru trades, free agents, prospects, return to form, etc
Yes, there are some names missing...and I did not discuss goal tendering.

Welcome to the fun.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:52 PM

I would buy X Benedict a green dress.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:53 PM

View PostEleven, on 02 May 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

I would buy X Benedict a green dress.

But not a real green dress, that's cruel....

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:57 PM

Its not the worst first post ever.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:55 PM

You lost me at "winning". These guys won't be winning much anytime soon.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:07 AM

If I were GM, I certainly wouldn't be telling the fans and press that the team I assembled sucks ass and is probably going to lose a lot in the near future.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:10 AM

View Postdudacek, on 02 May 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

With expensive ketchups - Dijon ketchup!
Not fancy enough. Grey Poupon for sure

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:22 AM

They have pre-wrapped sausages but they don't have pre-wrapped bacon.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:35 AM

View PostSwampD, on 03 May 2013 - 12:07 AM, said:

If I were GM, I certainly wouldn't be telling the fans and press that the team I assembled sucks ass and is probably going to lose a lot in the near future.

Isn't that what sells tickets?

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 05:00 AM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 03 May 2013 - 12:22 AM, said:

They have pre-wrapped sausages but they don't have pre-wrapped bacon.

Can you blame 'em?

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:35 AM

View PostSwampD, on 03 May 2013 - 12:07 AM, said:

If I were GM, I certainly wouldn't be telling the fans and press that the team I assembled sucks ass and is probably going to lose a lot in the near future.

As opposed to telling fans the team will be competitive only to have it suck ass? Because that's worked so well for fan enthusiasm recently.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:40 AM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 03 May 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

As opposed to telling fans the team will be competitive only to have it suck ass? Because that's worked so well for fan enthusiasm recently.
If I were GM, I certainly wouldn't, through the press, be telling the team i assembled that they sucks ass and are probably going to lose a lot in the near future.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:50 AM

View PostSwampD, on 03 May 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:

If I were GM, I certainly wouldn't, through the press, be telling the team i assembled that they sucks ass and are probably going to lose a lot in the near future.

Do you think the youngest team in the league doesn't know it's going to have growing pains? The players aren't that dumb. Look what Vanek said, that he's not stupid and if the direction is a long term rebuild it's best to part ways.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:53 AM

... I'd buy your love ...

You guys are cruel ... :P

What a welcome.

If I were GM ... I'd bring in more talent at just about every position.


EDIT:

Oh!  And Kraft Dinner, lots of Kraft Dinner.

Edited by Sabres Fan In NS, 03 May 2013 - 09:57 AM.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:57 AM

Welcome.  And thanks for changing the avatar!

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:51 AM

Mustard? Green dresses?  I would better understand hot sauce and Green Beer.

Now the plan...
Top 6 wing candidates:  
FAs targeted: Horton, Alfredsson, Clarkson, Jagr, Filppula, Dupuis, Penner, Ryder
Prospects: Armia, trade up to get Drouin
Return to form: Stafford

TopD candidates: Hainsey, Regehr, Hamrlik, Steit, White, Scuderi
Prospects: Pysyk, McNabb

3rd/4th center candidates: Bozak, Weiss, Wellwood, Elias, Cullen
Prospects:  Larsson, Girgensons

Open to trade: Miller, Ennis, Stafford, Ruwedel, Sekera

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:04 AM



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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:39 AM

View PostCheckingLine, on 04 May 2013 - 06:51 AM, said:

Prospects: Armia, trade up to get Drouin

That's an interesting idea. I'm not sure if the Sabres would want to part with Armia.
The Sabres are looking pretty thin on the right side going forward, and the price of getting to #3 may be prohibitive.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:55 AM

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 03 May 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

... I'd buy your love ...

You guys are cruel ... :P

What a welcome.

If I were GM ... I'd bring in more talent at just about every position.


EDIT:

Oh!  And Kraft Dinner, lots of Kraft Dinner.

but only after you traded away the limited talent you did have..lol

i would love to be able to buy fresh lobster at sabres games.(if we have to suffer i want to do it while consuming superior food and beverage)

Edited by waldo, 04 May 2013 - 11:59 AM.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:09 PM

View PostX. Benedict, on 04 May 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

That's an interesting idea. I'm not sure if the Sabres would want to part with Armia.
The Sabres are looking pretty thin on the right side going forward, and the price of getting to #3 may be prohibitive.

FYI ...

Stevie Y was in Halifax for the game last night and will be here tonight.  Dale Tallon and Brain Skrudland (SP?) have been scouting the Halifax games for most of the playoffs.  Have not heard if anyone from Colorado has come for a look see.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:47 PM

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 04 May 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

FYI ...

Stevie Y was in Halifax for the game last night and will be here tonight.  Dale Tallon and Brain Skrudland (SP?) have been scouting the Halifax games for most of the playoffs.  Have not heard if anyone from Colorado has come for a look see.
If I'm Stevie Y....I'm wondering if Fucale falls to #33 or if I have to move up 10 spots to get him.
That would be something :  Drouin and Fucale.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 01:15 PM

X.Benedict

Armia and Drouin were two separate options to fill the top 6 wing hole.  Trade up would involve picks and/or the trade assets at the bottom.

The last post had free agent and prospect option separated by commas.



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Posted 04 May 2013 - 01:40 PM

View PostCheckingLine, on 04 May 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

X.Benedict

Armia and Drouin were two separate options to fill the top 6 wing hole.  Trade up would involve picks and/or the trade assets at the bottom.

The last post had free agent and prospect option separated by commas.
My bad. I read that wrong.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 02:26 PM

View PostX. Benedict, on 04 May 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

My bad. I read that wrong.

Me too.

In the past it's only taken a second round pick to move up in the first.

Give someone Gerbe. :w00t:

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 05:00 PM

The first post has core team identified with 5 open spots. The second post has 26 options to fill 5 spots. Trades to fill one or more of the 5 spots were left open with the tradeable players listed.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 09:20 PM

View PostEleven, on 03 May 2013 - 05:00 AM, said:

Can you blame 'em?
Well, yeah!

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:47 PM

View PostCheckingLine, on 04 May 2013 - 06:51 AM, said:

Mustard? Green dresses?  I would better understand hot sauce and Green Beer.

Now the plan...
Top 6 wing candidates:  
FAs targeted: Horton, Alfredsson, Clarkson, Jagr, Filppula, Dupuis, Penner, Ryder
Prospects: Armia, trade up to get Drouin
Return to form: Stafford

TopD candidates: Hainsey, Regehr, Hamrlik, Steit, White, Scuderi

Prospects: Pysyk, McNabb

3rd/4th center candidates: Bozak, Weiss, Wellwood, Elias, Cullen
Prospects:  Larsson, Girgensons

Open to trade: Miller, Ennis, Stafford, Ruwedel, Sekera
No Alfi, he's old and he's been a Senator his entire career, pretty sure they/he wants to end it there, let alone come to a rebuild.
I wouldn't mind Clarkson, can't be bad to have basically two Ott's for a rebuild to guide the young-ins
Dupuis is old,
Penner's been abysmal since he's come to the Kings, I wouldn't go near him, let alone for what he's been getting paid (4.25/year)
Streit's a -14, we just traded Regehr, but I don't know much about the other d-men. Can anyone else enlighten me? I've always heard good things about White

As for the trade-bait you offered up- I doubt anyone wants Ruwedel for anything valuable so we might as well keep him and see where he goes. He's young, played well, and fits right in with the rebuild as he helps restock the d we keep trading.

There's no way in ###### I trade Ennis, especially not now. The only time I consider moving him would be for a ridiculous offer, or if I was going for the Cup and needed something specifically

I like Sekera a lot, but if he can fetch something I'm down (I've posted in a few other threads I like him and Miller to the Isles for 1st, Strome, and something else)

Stafford's tricky to trade, but there's always hope with Darcy :rolleyes:

Curious you don't have Vanek up there, any reasons?

Edited by WildCard, 04 May 2013 - 11:49 PM.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:12 AM

Haven't you always wanted a monkey?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:23 AM

View PostWildCard, on 04 May 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:


No Alfi, he's old and he's been a Senator his entire career, pretty sure they/he wants to end it there, let alone come to a rebuild.
I wouldn't mind Clarkson, can't be bad to have basically two Ott's for a rebuild to guide the young-ins
Dupuis is old,
Penner's been abysmal since he's come to the Kings, I wouldn't go near him, let alone for what he's been getting paid (4.25/year)
Streit's a -14, we just traded Regehr, but I don't know much about the other d-men. Can anyone else enlighten me? I've always heard good things about White

As for the trade-bait you offered up- I doubt anyone wants Ruwedel for anything valuable so we might as well keep him and see where he goes. He's young, played well, and fits right in with the rebuild as he helps restock the d we keep trading.


There's no way in ###### I trade Ennis, especially not now. The only time I consider moving him would be for a ridiculous offer, or if I was going for the Cup and needed something specifically

I like Sekera a lot, but if he can fetch something I'm down (I've posted in a few other threads I like him and Miller to the Isles for 1st, Strome, and something else)

Stafford's tricky to trade, but there's always hope with Darcy :rolleyes:

Curious you don't have Vanek up there, any reasons?
Agreed, there are some warts on some of the candidates.  Five spots to fill in one off-season is a lot.  Sabres will still be very young and a couple more vets, leaders especially will help.
I'll answer your last question first.  Vanek is a 30-40 goal scorer consistently, when you find one you keep him. Unless, at the trade deadline you know 100% he will leave and the team is still a tire fire. I know he will be worth less at the trade deadline as a rental, however without him there is no chance for less than 3-5 year rebuild. With him there is a chance for a 1-3 year rebuild.
I like Ennis too.  However the way he plays, turning at the last minute, he will not play long.
What does your opening day line-up for next year look like?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:40 AM

View PostCheckingLine, on 04 May 2013 - 06:51 AM, said:

Mustard? Green dresses?  I would better understand hot sauce and Green Beer.

Now the plan...
Top 6 wing candidates:  
FAs targeted: Horton, Alfredsson, Clarkson, Jagr, Filppula, Dupuis, Penner, Ryder
Prospects: Armia, trade up to get Drouin
Return to form: Stafford

TopD candidates: Hainsey, Regehr, Hamrlik, Steit, White, Scuderi
Prospects: Pysyk, McNabb

3rd/4th center candidates: Bozak, Weiss, Wellwood, Elias, Cullen
Prospects:  Larsson, Girgensons

Open to trade: Miller, Ennis, Stafford, Ruwedel, Sekera
The sad thing is, of all those free agents you listed the Sabres would likely be able to sign only one and would have to grossly overpay to do it. The player they could sign is likely only looking to cash in before their career is over and isn't incredibly motivated to win.

View PostCheckingLine, on 04 May 2013 - 06:51 AM, said:

Open to trade: Miller, Ennis, Stafford, Ruwedel, Sekera
Ennis we never really knew each other anyway.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:40 AM

View PostCheckingLine, on 05 May 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

Agreed, there are some warts on some of the candidates.  Five spots to fill in one off-season is a lot.  Sabres will still be very young and a couple more vets, leaders especially will help.
I'll answer your last question first.  Vanek is a 30-40 goal scorer consistently, when you find one you keep him. Unless, at the trade deadline you know 100% he will leave and the team is still a tire fire. I know he will be worth less at the trade deadline as a rental, however without him there is no chance for less than 3-5 year rebuild. With him there is a chance for a 1-3 year rebuild.
I like Ennis too.  However the way he plays, turning at the last minute, he will not play long.
What does your opening day line-up for next year look like?

you are correct on ennis..

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:43 PM

but not a real green monkey thats cruel

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:26 PM

View PostCheckingLine, on 05 May 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

Agreed, there are some warts on some of the candidates.  Five spots to fill in one off-season is a lot.  Sabres will still be very young and a couple more vets, leaders especially will help.
I'll answer your last question first.  Vanek is a 30-40 goal scorer consistently, when you find one you keep him. Unless, at the trade deadline you know 100% he will leave and the team is still a tire fire. I know he will be worth less at the trade deadline as a rental, however without him there is no chance for less than 3-5 year rebuild. With him there is a chance for a 1-3 year rebuild.
I like Ennis too.  However the way he plays, turning at the last minute, he will not play long.
What does your opening day line-up for next year look like?
Well, I've taken a bold leap and predicted Miller goes to the Isles in a blockbuster so it's hard to say. I could draft up both scenarios, but I'm a couple deep and Mad-Men and the Sharks game have my attention :D

Ideally, I would keep both Miller and Vanek, but that would mean we're not in a rebuild which we obviously are. I'd trade Miller first because you're spot-on about Vanek's worth, but Vanek has been pretty vocal about where he stands so it's difficult to imagine he stays here. If he had two more years on his deal, and he could see maybe Grigs and Armia contribute this year, he might be swayed. But as it stands I picture him wanting out unless we throw the farm at him (If I had a million dollars, I'd beg Vanek to stay-but we suck ass right now, that's cruel.)

Without going into too much detail, all I can say is my top priority is getting rid of Rolston, replacing him with a competent coach who knows how to manage lines, and letting him guide Armia and Grigs in particular to some success next season

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:03 AM

View PostMeathead, on 05 May 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

but not a real green monkey thats cruel

How did it get this far without mention of the player of the game fur coat (but not a real fur coat cuz that would freak out PETA)?

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:24 AM

View PostDoohickie, on 06 May 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

How did it get this far without mention of the player of the game fur coat (but not a real fur coat cuz that would freak out PETA)?

That coat is being held in the evidence room of the Pegula trial thread.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:45 AM

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 06 May 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

That coat is being held in the evidence room of the Pegula trial thread.
It's resting on Bob Page's lap as he strokes it.