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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:47 AM

View Postwjag, on 13 March 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

Had to look him up.  Typical Buffalo pick.  Flotsam.  Bolden could have been had for a sixth round pick.  Buffalo gets Manny.
Lawson is a good signing.  Everyone knew who Mario Wiliams was, how'd that work out?

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:05 PM

View Postinkman, on 14 March 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

Lawson is a good signing.  Everyone knew who Mario Wiliams was, how'd that work out?

i've come to rely on that buffalo rumblings site (part of SB Nation?) for bills analysis -- the guys who write for it are very knowledgeable (in fact, moreso than i can even handle). the piece on lawson emphasized that he is a fit for pettine's scheme. the new DC apparently wants to run a "hybrid" defense and lawson is a good fit for it. the takeaway was the writer's line about how defensive players for pettine may not be elite (although it's a plus if they are), so long as they are sufficiently versatile.

http://www.buffaloru...-hybrid-defense

on the downside, i inferred that we could be quite bad next year as we work through a transition to a hybrid D.

Edited by That Aud Smell, 14 March 2013 - 12:06 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:22 PM

And with likely a rookie QB running a new offense this next year could be rough, which is why I don't understand taking 7 mil of Fitz's cap hit next year.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:06 PM

Anyone see Stevie's tweet?

https://twitter.com/...565043815550976

Dude makes me laugh, much like the team on the field.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:56 AM

Friend told me that Buffalo signed Kolb for two years.  I don't know how I could have missed that news.  My other friend who is an Eagles fan just laughed.  Hopefully Kolb can throw a 20 yard out.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:31 AM

View Postwjag, on 05 April 2013 - 05:56 AM, said:

Friend told me that Buffalo signed Kolb for two years.  I don't know how I could have missed that news.  My other friend who is an Eagles fan just laughed.  Hopefully Kolb can throw a 20 yard out.

Kolb can make any throw on the field. The trick is keeping him upright.

I'm sure he'll be more successful doing so here than he was in Arizona, and Philly too, for that matter.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:13 AM

View Postbillsrcursed, on 05 April 2013 - 06:31 AM, said:

Kolb can make any throw on the field. The trick is keeping him upright.

I'm sure he'll be more successful doing so here than he was in Arizona, and Philly too, for that matter.

Problem is he has Trent Edwards syndrome: while he technically has an alright arm, he's a check down machine.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:40 AM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 05 April 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

Problem is he has Trent Edwards syndrome: while he technically has an alright arm, he's a check down machine.

I've heard that a few times.

I'm just not convinced it's not due to a horrible O-Line. I'm interested in seeing him with some time to make plays.

Either way, I still want a QB in this year's draft, preferably EJ.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:03 PM

View Postbillsrcursed, on 05 April 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

I've heard that a few times.

I'm just not convinced it's not due to a horrible O-Line. I'm interested in seeing him with some time to make plays.

Either way, I still want a QB in this year's draft, preferably EJ.

The signing of Kolb convinces me that Buffalo will be drafting a QB.  Two or less years of Kolb gives way to the next best hope for a real franchise QB.  If you look up Kolb in the dictionary it says "stop gap".

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:51 AM

Should we change this to 2013?

Anyway--a few pundits have a prospect named Tavon Austin (I have no idea) mocked to the Bills. And now Whaley says today at the presser that the team is "very high" on this guy. Dude is listed at 5'9" and 175#. Do those vitals ring a bell? They oughta--they're Roscoe Parrish's #s as well. They better get it right at #8 this year--and an under-sized gimmick-play game-breaker ain't gonna get it done, IMO.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:24 PM

Austin is a way better college receiver than Parrish ever was.  Not really advocating picking him at 8 but he's a first round talent.  He and his teammate were the big reasons Geno Smith looked like a Heisman candidate for the first half of the season.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 01:11 PM

View Postinkman, on 16 April 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

Austin is a way better college receiver than Parrish ever was.  Not really advocating picking him at 8 but he's a first round talent.  He and his teammate were the big reasons Geno Smith looked like a Heisman candidate for the first half of the season.

Fair deuce on Austin being a bigger talent than Roscoe P. (Coltrane). Even so--at that size, he should be selected by a team in the latter half of the first round--a team that can afford to use him situationally.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 08:06 AM

View Postinkman, on 04 April 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

Anyone see Stevie's tweet?

https://twitter.com/...565043815550976

Dude makes me laugh, much like the team on the field.
I know this was tweeted/posted last weak and all but it is infinitely less funny now.

View Postinkman, on 16 April 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

Austin is a way better college receiver than Parrish ever was.  Not really advocating picking him at 8 but he's a first round talent.  He and his teammate were the big reasons Geno Smith looked like a Heisman candidate for the first half of the season.
Austin's size is really the only issue.  That being said I think what the bills do is hype of the kid than at the last moment trade back to perhaps TB at 13.  That way they can draft someone they want and maximize their assets.

http://www.nfl.com/n...alo-bills-radar

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 09:21 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 17 April 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

Austin's size is really the only issue.  That being said I think what the bills do is hype of the kid than at the last moment trade back to perhaps TB at 13.  That way they can draft someone they want and maximize their assets.

http://www.nfl.com/n...alo-bills-radar

I read another write-up (from WGR's guy, I think) where it was posited that Whaley's praise for Austin was somewhat of a ruse--intended to motivate another team in the middle of Round 1 to move up to get this guy, thus allowing the Bills to replace a pick that they lost (something Nix repeatedly said he wants to do) and get their QB at a more justifiable spot.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:57 AM

Alright, 2 days away, get your final picks in, who you got?

I think it'll be Nassib. I know Joe B on GR keeps bringing up Barkely, but Nassib not only has the 'cuse thing going for him, he's also got the Jon Gruden Stamp Of Approval, which means everyone else in the media is rushing to say that Nassib is now the best QB, even thought before that it was 'obviously' Geno Smith.


Also, if they draft a gaurd at 8 I think I'll vomit.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:11 AM

Its gonna be Nassib

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:36 AM

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:49 AM

It's gonna be a QB. That seems clear. Nassib is the front-runner; Barkley is a bit of a dark horse at this point. But given the apparent consensus that any QB is a huge reach in the top 10, maybe they try to trade down.

The thing that frightens/kills me: The Marrone regime will use a west coast offense, which appears to dictate what kind of quarterback Nix/Whaley can select. In other words, Geno Smith is not a fit with Marrone's ... (wait for it) system. My fear is that Geno and his allegedly "slow eyes" will come into the league, rip sh!t up, and exceed expectations--and that we'll be left to regret missing out on him in favor of a system (and a coaching regime) that may only be here for 3 or 4 years.

Thus is the life of a Bills fan.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:54 AM

View PostThat Aud Smell, on 23 April 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

It's gonna be a QB. That seems clear. Nassib is the front-runner; Barkley is a bit of a dark horse at this point. But given the apparent consensus that any QB is a huge reach in the top 10, maybe they try to trade down.

The thing that frightens/kills me: The Marrone regime will use a west coast offense, which appears to dictate what kind of quarterback Nix/Whaley can select. In other words, Geno Smith is not a fit with Marrone's ... (wait for it) system. My fear is that Geno and his allegedly "slow eyes" will come into the league, rip sh!t up, and exceed expectations--and that we'll be left to regret missing out on him in favor of a system (and a coaching regime) that may only be here for 3 or 4 years.

Thus is the life of a Bills fan.

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Marrone's Orange absolutely destroyed WVU and Geno Smith when they met.  He totally neutralized Smith.  I'd be shocked if a coach who knows exactly how to stop a QB would then use a top 10 draft pick on that exact player.

http://dailyorange.c...ainst-syracuse/

Edited by inkman, 23 April 2013 - 07:57 AM.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:58 AM

The Bills have to be actively shopping to trade down, or to pick a non-QB at eight, then trade up into the 20s.
I think Barkley is the guy they want — maybe even enough to pick at eight — but they would be very happy with Nassib as a consolation later on.

Edited by dudacek, 23 April 2013 - 07:59 AM.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:01 AM

View Postinkman, on 23 April 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

Marrone's Orange absolutely destroyed WVU and Geno Smith when they met.  He totally neutralized Smith.  I'd be shocked if a coach who knows exactly how to stop a QB would then use a top 10 draft pick on that exact player.

http://dailyorange.c...ainst-syracuse/

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:05 AM

I think Barkley is the guy, unless they do something dumb like trade down and lose out on him. I know the logic, that nobody is worth #8....and I couldn't possibly care less. Target the guy you think is going to be great and take him, don't risk losing him for an extra 3rd round pick.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:09 AM

View Postinkman, on 23 April 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

Marrone's Orange absolutely destroyed WVU and Geno Smith when they met. He totally neutralized Smith. I'd be shocked if a coach who knows exactly how to stop a QB would then use a top 10 draft pick on that exact player.

http://dailyorange.c...ainst-syracuse/

Or you can argue that if he is unstopable 90% of the time...and you know how to stop him, it will be all the easier to teach him how to beat the system that has stopped him. Thus ending up with a superstar.

I haven't watched enough of him to know what the deal is but it sounds as if he has all the physical tools.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:39 AM

Don't know where else to put this but I loathe Jerry Rice.  He comes across as an absolute dolt.  I still don't know why sports networks continue to put bafoons on the air just because they played the game.  See Keyshawn Johnson, Michael Irvin, Emmit Smith, Marshall Faulk.  I'd put Jim Kelly in this group as well but I'm not sure he was on any national network long enough to qualify.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:48 AM

If they can find a willing trade partner to trade back into the middle of the first round, that'd be the best possible outcome IMHO.  So that is my prediction.

I think they'll take Barkley over Nassib, but either would be fine.  Barkley threw 6 TD passes against Syracuse last year and 5 in 2011, so Marrone is certainly familiar with him.

View Postinkman, on 23 April 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

Don't know where else to put this but I loathe Jerry Rice.  He comes across as an absolute dolt.  I still don't know why sports networks continue to put bafoons on the air just because they played the game.  See Keyshawn Johnson, Michael Irvin, Emmit Smith, Marshall Faulk.  I'd put Jim Kelly in this group as well but I'm not sure he was on any national network long enough to qualify.

I was fine with just TJ and Berman on ESPN.  Then they go to 3... then 4... then 5... at some point you just have too many analysts all fighting to say a few words.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:48 AM

Barkley or Nassib.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:36 AM

From what my buddies are predicting they are positive the Bills will try to trade down into mid teens.  They will draft Nassib in the 1st round it will be a reach but better get a decent qb prospect than continue as they have... with jokers.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:55 AM

View PostLGR4GM, on 23 April 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

From what my buddies are predicting they are positive the Bills will try to trade down into mid teens.  They will draft Nassib in the 1st round it will be a reach but better get a decent qb prospect than continue as they have... with jokers.
Shefter is reporting the same thing

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:21 AM

View Postinkman, on 23 April 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Shefter is reporting the same thing

I don't doubt that's what they want to do. Question is whether they'll be able to win the proverbial poker game that's involved.

The Jets pick soon (right?) after us, but, as QB needy as they are, I think they're going to wait until 2014 to get their new franchise QB.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:44 AM

View PostThat Aud Smell, on 23 April 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

I don't doubt that's what they want to do. Question is whether they'll be able to win the proverbial poker game that's involved.

The Jets pick soon (right?) after us, but, as QB needy as they are, I think they're going to wait until 2014 to get their new franchise QB.

That's just it, I don't think trading down is worth the risk.  Despite this being perceived as a bad QB class, so many teams need them that they will get desperate.  If Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder can go in the top-12, so can this year's crop.  Stay at 8 and make sure you get your guy...we've been without a QB for too long to give a rat's ass about "reaching".

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:01 PM

Nix has stated he'd like more picks, they trade down and pick up an additional 2nd rounder.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:24 PM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 23 April 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

Despite this being perceived as a bad QB class, so many teams need them that they will get desperate.  If Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder can go in the top-12, so can this year's crop.

Ugh. Are we saying that the Bills need to use their current draft position (8th) in order to take a chance on a potentially (likely?) crappy QB? I heard this class compared to the class of 2000, which is when Chad Pennington went mid-first-round and then no other QB came off the board until early round 3 (and that guy was from Hofstra and, as far as I can recall, never had an NFL career).

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:41 PM

View PostThat Aud Smell, on 23 April 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

Ugh. Are we saying that the Bills need to use their current draft position (8th) in order to take a chance on a potentially (likely?) crappy QB? I heard this class compared to the class of 2000, which is when Chad Pennington went mid-first-round and then no other QB came off the board until early round 3 (and that guy was from Hofstra and, as far as I can recall, never had an NFL career).

Well, QBs were also less important in 2000 than in today's NFL, so it makes sense a weak class would result in only a single first rounder.  The draft is a crapshoot anyway, so might as well take a shot at the most important position when the alternative is two guys you know are terrible.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:42 PM

View PostThat Aud Smell, on 23 April 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

Ugh. Are we saying that the Bills need to use their current draft position (8th) in order to take a chance on a potentially (likely?) crappy QB? I heard this class compared to the class of 2000, which is when Chad Pennington went mid-first-round and then no other QB came off the board until early round 3 (and that guy was from Hofstra and, as far as I can recall, never had an NFL career).
and some guy from Michigan, he's been pretty good. :)

If they feel like there is a guy who has an opportunity to be a solid NFL QB they can't afford to get cute and worry about moving back and getting him later, they are in such a terrible position that they need to make certain that they get him.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:57 PM

Identify your guy and take him at 8.  Enough is enough, it's time to get a legit NFL QB.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:05 PM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 23 April 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

Well, QBs were also less important in 2000 than in today's NFL, so it makes sense a weak class would result in only a single first rounder.  The draft is a crapshoot anyway, so might as well take a shot at the most important position when the alternative is two guys you know are terrible.

Fair enough.

View PostLanny, on 23 April 2013 - 12:42 PM, said:

and some guy from Michigan, he's been pretty good. :)


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:12 PM

I haven't had a chance to do much draft prep this year.....but going through the combine video now. My opinions are based soley on these videos, but to me they are the single most helpfull thing to seeing what type of athlete you are getting in a snapshot in time versus all the other available athletes. I had a pretty good beat on things last year as far as where guys got picked. Many of the guys I had in rounds 2-3 turned out to be quality starters. So I will probably blow this year!

QB

Tyler Wilson - ARK ..........This is the ONLY guy I see that I would want to hitch my wagon to. He's not the biggest, and certainly not a scrambler, but he is built like a brick. He looks decisive in his footwork and throws, and has great zip and trajectory. And the thing that stands out is he looks like a passionate competitor who always goes hard, but stays under control. So many of the QBs in the drills look like it is a drill. Wilson looks like it is a mission. The guy reminds me of a more articulate Jim Kelly in all honesty....the build, the arm, the pocket hold........I'm not in love, but I think this guy is a 10 year NFL starter. It looks like no way he goes top 10, but he looks like too much of a winner to chance waiting in the 2nd round. If we got him in the 2nd I would be jumping for joy, and he's the kind of guy that could come in and push Kolb to work hard and make him better.

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Robert Alford - SE Lou..........Has a big smooth gait for straight line speed and a good hip flip and footwork which makes it hard to get beat on long routes because he can close. He also is fast in changing direction from backpeddle to forward, which is key in run support and identifying screen/short game. He's not stout down low and just a tad slight in build. Overall he looks to have the smoothness and change of direction skills to be worth a shot with our 2nd rounder for sure. Not a shutdown guy, but one who can close fast and make up for mistakes. Could go late 1st but don't see him dropping out of the 2nd. Best of the bunch of 4 or 5 mentioned in his general area.

TE

Mychal Rivera - TEN.......From what I can see, the tight ends are just dogs. Nobody in the top grouping has the whole package. The kid from Stanford is smooth but long. So instead of wasting a pick up top, this Rivera kid from Tennessee looks like a nice depth guy in the 6th or 7th round. He's very smooth in his running and catching but not fast. He has long arms and puts tons of effort into things, but he is about 20 lbs too light. He looks like he wants it, and his smoothness alone is worth a stab. In all honesty, I wish the guy played hockey because he looks like a franchise defenseman!

WR

Tavon Austin - WVU......Wow! I see why his name has been flying up the boards. This is NOT Roscoe Parrish. Easily the #1 receiver off the board. He is short, but built like a sparkplug. He is the most balanced of any athlete I have seen going through drills to this point. He is smooth in his straight line speed because of his balance. He bursts into his routes, and when you combine that with his balance, he should be able to kill guys on double moves. He is also intense but under control and powerful in all his movements. I love this kid and can't see how he drops below the 10-15 range. I haven't made it to OL/DL/LB/S yet, but so far, I would not be ashamed one bit to take him at #8. In fact, we probably have a perfect spot to trade down with someone who wants him...there have to be multiple GM's drooling for this kid.

Rodney Smith - FSU......Intersting WR in the 5th round or so. He is tall, but not built throughout, yet hardly a scrawny guy. He looks to run too upright at times, but he is very smooth for a big guy and his routes look smoother than many of the guys projected to go in the first few rounds. Hands on the run as well. If you can add just a little bit of bulk and get him not as upright so CB's can't jam him, he has pretty much the exact same skillset as Stevie Johnson. I like him.

S

Johnathan Cyprien - FIU.....there looks to be some safety depth...this kid is built strong, he has fluidity and can change direction, and looks like he has the range to make plays. Looks aware and another who took these drills like a competitor. Who goes first between him and Vaccaro is a tossup in my opinion as this kid has more upside but Vaccaro is safer.

Kenny Vaccaro - TEX......looks like a calm and confident type who is very smooth and has a good enough build and size to take on the better receiving TE's without needing a corner. Doesn't look like a punisher, but someone who can use skill and savy. Probably a no-brainer as a starter in the league, but not in my opinion something you target in the top 15.

There are 4 or 5 guys who look servicable as 3rd-5th round guys, but nobody that really stands out in that range

LB......the top guys didn't work out and I couldn't find anything good......


OL

Lane Johnson - OKLA.......after watching the projected top 2 tackles, then this guy....the athleticism is night and day. The only thing holding this kid back from being the #1 pick of the tackles is his shallow frame. It doesn't look like he will be able to add tons of bulk in my opinion, but he has amazing footwork, can move in space, and has great reach. Joeckel looks like a stud, but his finesse game is nowhere near what this guy would bring. Fischer is a mix between the two. It looks like there is no chance Johnson falls to #8, but next to Austin, he would be 2nd favorite in that range. I wouldn't blame a team for making him 1st lineman off board.

Larry Warford - Kentucky......For a big guard, he has amazing footwork and quickness. He is sloppy in build, but stout. He isn't fast but his recognition in changing directions is top notch. If he was built like more of a rock, I could see his name being mentioned from 10-20. As is, he is a end of the first round to mid 2nd round guy. He would replace Levitre's skill set if not better it in my opinion.

I'm seeing a lot of depth in the OL here.....you can get a roster player from round 3-5....not guys that will blow you away, but it looks like a good year.
More later....

Edited by Ghost of Dwight Drane, 25 April 2013 - 12:42 PM.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:42 PM

Thanks, Dwight.  Love your draft posts.  Keep 'em coming.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 01:23 PM

View Postqwksndmonster, on 24 April 2013 - 12:42 PM, said:

Thanks, Dwight. Love your draft posts. Keep 'em coming.

Thanks. I don't watch much on Saturdays, but the combine makes it so easy to catch up. So far after the QB's and CB's....not seeing a lot. Moving on to TE/WR now.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 08:32 AM

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