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#1 Andrew Amerk

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:46 PM

http://blogs.buffalo...ve-forward.html

If you get a chance, listen to the second audio "meeting with reporters."

Harrington sounds like a jackass, but I didn't like how TP sounded. Shedded a new light on my view of him. I know he didn't want to talk Sabres, and its been a frustrating season, but still...


"Jerry Jacobs down the road took 39 years to win a Stanley Cup. I don't know how long," Pegula said. "How can you guarantee anybody anything? You do your best every year. When's the last time the New England Patriots won the Stanley Cup? Or the Super Bowl?"

I reminded Pegula the Pats don't regularly miss the playoffs and he said, "Well, hey."

Who is Jerry Jacobs? Are we adding 39 years on top of the current 43? Good grief.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:57 PM

View PostAndrew Amerk, on 13 April 2013 - 11:46 PM, said:

http://blogs.buffalo...ve-forward.html

If you get a chance, listen to the second audio "meeting with reporters."

Harrington sounds like a jackass, but I didn't like how TP sounded. Shedded a new light on my view of him. I know he didn't want to talk Sabres, and its been a frustrating season, but still...


"Jerry Jacobs down the road took 39 years to win a Stanley Cup. I don't know how long," Pegula said. "How can you guarantee anybody anything? You do your best every year. When's the last time the New England Patriots won the Stanley Cup? Or the Super Bowl?"

I reminded Pegula the Pats don't regularly miss the playoffs and he said, "Well, hey."

Who is Jerry Jacobs? Are we adding 39 years on top of the current 43? Good grief.
'Jerry' Jacobs is the owner of Delaware North (parent company of the Bruins and SportsService - concession provider for Buffalo sports teams).  He's had his teams competitive forever (minus a couple of years - getting to draft Thornton being 1 of the few down years) and actually has 2 SC wins since the Sabres came into being.  The 2nd being quite recent.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:00 AM

View PostTaro T, on 13 April 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:


'Jerry' Jacobs is the owner of Delaware North (parent company of the Bruins and SportsService - concession provider for Buffalo sports teams).  He's had his teams competitive forever (minus a couple of years - getting to draft Thornton being 1 of the few down years) and actually has 2 SC wins since the Sabres came into being.  The 2nd being quite recent.

Isn't his name Jeremy?

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:02 AM

View PostAndrew Amerk, on 14 April 2013 - 12:00 AM, said:

Isn't his name Jeremy?
Thus the 'quotes' around 'Jerry.'

Edited by Taro T, 14 April 2013 - 12:03 AM.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:04 AM

View PostTaro T, on 14 April 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:


Thus the 'quotes' around 'Jerry.'

Gotcha.

I thought he bought the B's in 75, so he has just 1 cup win, amirite?

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:09 AM

View PostAndrew Amerk, on 14 April 2013 - 12:04 AM, said:

Gotcha.

I thought he bought the B's in 75, so he has just 1 cup win, amirite?
Could be.  Too tired and lazy to look up when he bought them.  I thought it was earlier in the decade, but '75 could be right.  Either way, it was a LONG time between cup wins for the B's.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:15 AM

View PostTaro T, on 14 April 2013 - 12:09 AM, said:


Could be.  Too tired and lazy to look up when he bought them.  I thought it was earlier in the decade, but '75 could be right.  Either way, it was a LONG time between cup wins for the B's.

Well, at least they have won one in the last 4 decades.

Is Pegs really comfortable with waiting 39 years? He will be 101 years old in 2052.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:18 AM

Mike Gilbert was trying to get the muzzle onto Pegula the second he opened his mouth.

Same machine......

Well hey.....at least we all get to go to open skate downtown on Wednesdays from 11-1 and Thursdays from 3-6.....and a really nice sports bar to take away business from the 12 other mom and pops...

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:22 AM

View PostAndrew Amerk, on 14 April 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

Well, at least they have won one in the last 4 decades.

Is Pegs really comfortable with waiting 39 years? He will be 101 years old in 2052.
You misunderstood.  It's a 3.9 year plan.  They'll win the SC in January '15.  Oddly enough they'll be so far ahead of the rest of the league by then that even Illitch will concede.  Leonsis won't, but after 'Jerry' Jacobs gives him an 'atomic wedgie' there will be harmony in the league and the Sabres will be awarded the SC they rightly should have been allowed to win in '99.

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 14 April 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

Mike Gilbert was trying to get the muzzle onto Pegula the second he opened his mouth.

Same machine......

Well hey.....at least we all get to go to open skate downtown on Wednesdays from 11-1 and Thursdays from 3-6.....and a really nice sports bar to take away business from the 12 other mom and pops...
Oh, c'mon Dwight, let's have some fun w/ this.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:39 AM

View PostTaro T, on 14 April 2013 - 12:22 AM, said:

Oh, c'mon Dwight, let's have some fun w/ this.

"We'll see........"

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:47 AM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 14 April 2013 - 12:39 AM, said:



"We'll see........"

Exactly.

I guess I wanted to hear some confidence from the owner, not someone mirroring an attitude that reflects the play on the ice.  

He went from "we will win the Cup within 3 years" to "it took Jacobs 39 years, so give me a break."

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:45 AM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 14 April 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

Mike Gilbert was trying to get the muzzle onto Pegula the second he opened his mouth.

Same machine......

Well hey.....at least we all get to go to open skate downtown on Wednesdays from 11-1 and Thursdays from 3-6.....and a really nice sports bar to take away business from the 12 other mom and pops...

take away, or add to?  There truly isn't a lot of foot traffic in the area.  The bars in cobblestone are actually looking forward to its completion.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:56 AM

"I was a fan.  I'm an owner now".  "You've got to take the emotion out of it." -TPegs

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 07:04 AM

There is no plan.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:26 AM

View PostTaro T, on 13 April 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

'Jerry' Jacobs is the owner of Delaware North (parent company of the Bruins and SportsService - concession provider for Buffalo sports teams).  He's had his teams competitive forever (minus a couple of years - getting to draft Thornton being 1 of the few down years) and actually has 2 SC wins since the Sabres came into being.  The 2nd being quite recent.

Not only that, but Jeremy Jacobs is the chairman of the NHL Board of Governers, recommended Regeir to the Rigas's for the GM position in Buffalo, gave 55 million of his own coin to seal the deal for the First Niagara Center and was the very reason the Sabres stayed in Buffalo.

Many people do not know these little facts.

View PostAndrew Amerk, on 14 April 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

Well, at least they have won one in the last 4 decades.

Is Pegs really comfortable with waiting 39 years? He will be 101 years old in 2052.

Yes, it was a life long dream to own the Sabres, but more importantly, New York is currently going semi-annual on it's moratorium votes on hydro-fracking. The very business Pegs was into in PA. He's been an advocate voice in the Senate energy hearings since he bought the Sabres. It doesn't hurt to spend the kind of money he is in the local communities that will see the largest benefits from the industry, even if that industry has been cited as a real danger to the more local communities in the southern counties where the drilling takes place. In short, the population centers in the region have more representation, and therefore, investing in them (i.e. Buffalo/Rochester) affords more leverage in the state capital in both houses.

The only thing really standing in his way is the representation from the NYC area, and with the financial situation in NY the way it is, they will eventually cave as well.
It's merely a matter of time before the NY public Union pension funds jump on board as lower roll's on those due lists equate to less overall income navigated to the funds.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:29 AM

View PostHopefulFuture, on 14 April 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

Not only that, but Jeremy Jacobs is the chairman of the NHL Board of Governers, recommended Regeir to the Rigas's for the GM position in Buffalo, gave 55 million of his own coin to seal the deal for the First Niagara Center and was the very reason the Sabres stayed in Buffalo.

Many people do not know these little facts.
Doesn't he live in WNY as well? As far as him keeping the Sabres in Buffalo, that was just a smart business decision. Have you seen the size of the average Sabres fan? He runs the concessions. Of course, he wants to keep a team in Buffalo.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:44 AM

Very good, Andrew and Hopeful. Now we're waking up. Terry hasn't said one impressive thing since, "Starting today..." Talk about an empty suit. Hockey-wise, there's no one home. You wonder who's at home all when he says things like, “I’m a little confused, I’m sitting on the stage between Mayor Brown and Ted Black, yet I look over there, and I’m wondering, is something backwards here?"

BTW, this isn't the first time he's made a wishy-washy comment about winning the Cup since his initial declaration. He's used the "only one team wins the Cup" line before, and he's talked about how long it took Boston, Chicago, LA to win.

Taro, I don't see the opportunity for humor when we're in danger of going 0-3 on owners since the Knoxes died off/were bought out. Hell, I'd take OSP back in a heartbeat — if Quinn stayed away, of course.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:14 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 14 April 2013 - 08:44 AM, said:

Very good, Andrew and Hopeful. Now we're waking up. Terry hasn't said one impressive thing since, "Starting today..." Talk about an empty suit. Hockey-wise, there's no one home. You wonder who's at home all when he says things like, “I’m a little confused, I’m sitting on the stage between Mayor Brown and Ted Black, yet I look over there, and I’m wondering, is something backwards here?"

BTW, this isn't the first time he's made a wishy-washy comment about winning the Cup since his initial declaration. He's used the "only one team wins the Cup" line before, and he's talked about how long it took Boston, Chicago, LA to win.

Taro, I don't see the opportunity for humor when we're in danger of going 0-3 on owners since the Knoxes died off/were bought out. Hell, I'd take OSP back in a heartbeat — if Quinn stayed away, of course.

I don't get it. A guy buys the team and commits his own resources to the franchise, and the surrounding area. The main criticism is that he has kept Regier on as GM. The second is that he has a frosty relationship with the media.  

What precisely bothers you about the guy? Would you rather have a conglomerate own the team? The team needs to be recast, of course, but what is the role of owner beyond that? I sincerely want to know. (I thought you'd be overjoyed, he fired Lindy, right?)


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:25 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 14 April 2013 - 08:44 AM, said:

Very good, Andrew and Hopeful. Now we're waking up. Terry hasn't said one impressive thing since, "Starting today..." Talk about an empty suit. Hockey-wise, there's no one home. You wonder who's at home all when he says things like, “I’m a little confused, I’m sitting on the stage between Mayor Brown and Ted Black, yet I look over there, and I’m wondering, is something backwards here?"

BTW, this isn't the first time he's made a wishy-washy comment about winning the Cup since his initial declaration. He's used the "only one team wins the Cup" line before, and he's talked about how long it took Boston, Chicago, LA to win.

Taro, I don't see the opportunity for humor when we're in danger of going 0-3 on owners since the Knoxes died off/were bought out. Hell, I'd take OSP back in a heartbeat — if Quinn stayed away, of course.

View PostX. Benedict, on 14 April 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

I don't get it. A guy buys the team and commits his own resources to the franchise, and the surrounding area. The main criticism is that he has kept Regier on as GM. The second is that he has a frosty relationship with the media.  

What precisely bothers you about the guy? Would you rather have a conglomerate own the team? The team needs to be recast, of course, but what is the role of owner beyond that? I sincerely want to know. (I thought you'd be overjoyed, he fired Lindy, right?)

Yeah. I don't get it either.

I'm not sure what is worse, TP making comments about the Cup, or people buying into them. Did anyone really believe the Sabres would win the Cup in three years when he said that? In the end, having TP as our owner is a good thing.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:26 AM

View PostSpndnchz, on 14 April 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

"I was a fan.  I'm an owner now".  "You've got to take the emotion out of it." -TPegs

Isn't this exactly what many on this board and the Buffalo News wanted to hear?  Stop being emotionally attached to the players and be an OWNER.   I'm not worried and still thrilled that TPegs owns the Sabres.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:37 AM

"OMG why isn't Terry talking to the media? He owes us!"
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"OMG did you hear Terry? His voice reflects the team's play! He even garbled a few names!"

I'm just sayin'.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:55 AM

This is one really bi-polar board.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:09 AM

Classic WNY fear and loathing of the wealthy.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:11 AM

View Postwjag, on 14 April 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

This is one really bi-polar board.

Coupled with schizophrenia is bad, man.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:14 AM

This place irritates me at times.  So many people on here are guilty of the same thing they blame TP for, being emotional about things rather than rational.  Talk about hypocrits..

If I'm TP I'm realizing now that the information I gathered when I purchased the team might not have been as sparkly as it was made out to be.  I'd be irritated but I'd be looking to do something about it.  The man made a massive financial commitment to the team and has made even more financial commitments to the area.  For an area is DIRE NEED of improvements I fail to see how this is a bad thing.

There are comments on here, now he'll have a sports bar to take money away from the Mom & Pops.  The last time i checked that was the point of business, to be competitive.  There are people who are going to go to a locally owned venue regardless and if the sports bar in HarborCentre is locally owned, then what of it?

The guy is investing his money into the development of youth hockey in the region.  He's invested in bringing the farm team back to Rochester and owning them.  They are now going to be operating Blue Cross Arena as well.  So he's extending his money into the Rochester region.

Yet we want to sit here and blast him because NOW he's backed off this 3 year plan (which we all said was crap to begin with).  Give it a break already.  It's everyone's right to be a miserable jerk-off about everything but what is the goal of being that way?  I'm certainly getting to the point where I don't even want to bother checking the forum anymore.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:23 AM

View PostAndrew Amerk, on 14 April 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Exactly.

I guess I wanted to hear some confidence from the owner, not someone mirroring an attitude that reflects the play on the ice.  

He went from "we will win the Cup within 3 years" to "it took Jacobs 39 years, so give me a break."

Did he actually say we'll win the Stanley Cup within 3 years, or we'll have "Cup" holders in the restrooms within 3 years ? Maybe he was misquoted.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:33 AM

"You don’t like yourself. But you do admire yourself. It’s all you’ve got, so you cling to it. You’re so afraid if you change, you’ll lose what makes you special. Being miserable doesn’t make you better than anybody else. It just makes you miserable."

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:35 AM

View PostSpndnchz, on 14 April 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

Coupled with schizophrenia is bad, man.

So the person who is upset at "puck bunny" isn't afraid to casually toss around the names of mental illnesses to criticize hockey opinions?

View PostSwampD, on 14 April 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

"You don’t like yourself. But you do admire yourself. It’s all you’ve got, so you cling to it. You’re so afraid if you change, you’ll lose what makes you special. Being miserable doesn’t make you better than anybody else. It just makes you miserable."

You too? Come on. Stop the personal attacks and debate the points. "You're just trolling." "You're just miserable." "You're schizophrenic." Sounds like some of you are afraid I'm right about Terry.

View PostLTS, on 14 April 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

This place irritates me at times.  So many people on here are guilty of the same thing they blame TP for, being emotional about things rather than rational.  Talk about hypocrits..

If I'm TP I'm realizing now that the information I gathered when I purchased the team might not have been as sparkly as it was made out to be.  I'd be irritated but I'd be looking to do something about it.  The man made a massive financial commitment to the team and has made even more financial commitments to the area.  For an area is DIRE NEED of improvements I fail to see how this is a bad thing.

There are comments on here, now he'll have a sports bar to take money away from the Mom & Pops.  The last time i checked that was the point of business, to be competitive.  There are people who are going to go to a locally owned venue regardless and if the sports bar in HarborCentre is locally owned, then what of it?

The guy is investing his money into the development of youth hockey in the region.  He's invested in bringing the farm team back to Rochester and owning them.  They are now going to be operating Blue Cross Arena as well.  So he's extending his money into the Rochester region.

Yet we want to sit here and blast him because NOW he's backed off this 3 year plan (which we all said was crap to begin with).  Give it a break already.  It's everyone's right to be a miserable jerk-off about everything but what is the goal of being that way?  I'm certainly getting to the point where I don't even want to bother checking the forum anymore.

And when the taxes paid by the mom and pops help your competition? It wouldn't rile you up?

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:46 AM

View PostSwampD, on 14 April 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

Yeah. I don't get it either.

I'm not sure what is worse, TP making comments about the Cup, or people buying into them. Did anyone really believe the Sabres would win the Cup in three years when he said that? In the end, having TP as our owner is a good thing.

The issue Andrew is pointing out isn't not winning the Cup so far, it's going from confidently saying, "We're going to win a Cup, and then win another one" (paraphrase) and "Starting today..." and Ted Black several times referring to a "championship machine" to weak and defeatist-sounding statements about how rare it is to win one, how many decades it took this franchise to do it, and so on. It makes the initial famous declaration sound like something a PR guy suggested and not the backbone principle of the franchise.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:47 AM

View PostLTS, on 14 April 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

This place irritates me at times.  So many people on here are guilty of the same thing they blame TP for, being emotional about things rather than rational.  Talk about hypocrits..

If I'm TP I'm realizing now that the information I gathered when I purchased the team might not have been as sparkly as it was made out to be.  I'd be irritated but I'd be looking to do something about it.  The man made a massive financial commitment to the team and has made even more financial commitments to the area.  For an area is DIRE NEED of improvements I fail to see how this is a bad thing.

There are comments on here, now he'll have a sports bar to take money away from the Mom & Pops.  The last time i checked that was the point of business, to be competitive.  There are people who are going to go to a locally owned venue regardless and if the sports bar in HarborCentre is locally owned, then what of it?

The guy is investing his money into the development of youth hockey in the region.  He's invested in bringing the farm team back to Rochester and owning them.  They are now going to be operating Blue Cross Arena as well.  So he's extending his money into the Rochester region.

Yet we want to sit here and blast him because NOW he's backed off this 3 year plan (which we all said was crap to begin with).  Give it a break already.  It's everyone's right to be a miserable jerk-off about everything but what is the goal of being that way?  I'm certainly getting to the point where I don't even want to bother checking the forum anymore.

I just want to piggyback on this post.  

It's not like the guy can stop everything and work only on the hockey team.  And it's not like if he did stop everything and work only on the hockey team, that would increase the rate of success.  Everyone wants Pegula to step aside and let the hockey people make the hockey decisions, and, at the same time, be critical when he diverts his own attention elsewhere?  Silly.

I'm not sure where the sports bar criticism started, but if he opens a sports bar, so what?  It's still local; it's not Hooters.  Just because it's owned by someone with a lot of money doesn't mean it's not a local business.  Last time I checked, Mark Croce still had a ton of dough, and Chop House is still a local restaurant.

It's too bad that the Sabres haven't won a Cup in the twenty-five months that Pegula has owned the team, and likely will not win one next year either.  It's too bad for HIM, actually, since he's tied with the Knoxes for the best sports team owner this city ever has seen.  

What, exactly, is it that those complaining want?  Another Wilson?  Snyder?  Rich?

This guy is great.  He's doing everything he can to put money not only into the team, but into the area.  I can't believe that there are nay-sayers.  I can understand (and disagree) with criticism about how he made his money, but I can't fathom, at all, the criticisms about how he's spending it.  It seems like some people would rather have had him buy the Red Wings and work on developing downtown Detroit.  Then we'd all be sitting here cursing our luck and still waiting for a benefactor.

Edited by Eleven, 14 April 2013 - 10:48 AM.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:51 AM

View PostX. Benedict, on 14 April 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

I don't get it. A guy buys the team and commits his own resources to the franchise, and the surrounding area. The main criticism is that he has kept Regier on as GM. The second is that he has a frosty relationship with the media.  

What precisely bothers you about the guy? Would you rather have a conglomerate own the team? The team needs to be recast, of course, but what is the role of owner beyond that? I sincerely want to know. (I thought you'd be overjoyed, he fired Lindy, right?)


Golisano was and is a philanthropist for the area. He put money into the arena, too. Owners commit resources. So what? Money's not going to buy a Cup. Money won't matter until better hockey people are brought in and are given complete control. That's my main criticism. Terry as GM. The evidence for this has mounted. I'm not going to repeat it. I have a manila folder full of it. But for one Darcy just said Terry will decide the extent to which the team re-whatevers.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:53 AM

View PostEleven, on 14 April 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:



I just want to piggyback on this post.  

It's not like the guy can stop everything and work only on the hockey team.  And it's not like if he did stop everything and work only on the hockey team, that would increase the rate of success.  Everyone wants Pegula to step aside and let the hockey people make the hockey decisions, and, at the same time, be critical when he diverts his own attention elsewhere?  Silly.

I'm not sure where the sports bar criticism started, but if he opens a sports bar, so what?  It's still local; it's not Hooters.  Just because it's owned by someone with a lot of money doesn't mean it's not a local business.  Last time I checked, Mark Croce still had a ton of dough, and Chop House is still a local restaurant.

It's too bad that the Sabres haven't won a Cup in the twenty-five months that Pegula has owned the team, and likely will not win one next year either.  It's too bad for HIM, actually, since he's tied with the Knoxes for the best sports team owner this city ever has seen.  

What, exactly, is it that those complaining want?  Another Wilson?  Snyder?  Rich?

This guy is great.  He's doing everything he can to put money not only into the team, but into the area.  I can't believe that there are nay-sayers.  I can understand (and disagree) with criticism about how he made his money, but I can't fathom, at all, the criticisms about how he's spending it.  It seems like some people would rather have had him buy the Red Wings and work on developing downtown Detroit.  Then we'd all be sitting here cursing our luck and still waiting for a benefactor.

Good post.  The attitude of entitlement expressed by some here is ridiculous.

Edited by nfreeman, 14 April 2013 - 10:53 AM.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:55 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 14 April 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

Golisano was and is a philanthropist for the area. He put money into the arena, too. Owners commit resources. So what? Money's not going to buy a Cup. Money won't matter until better hockey people are brought in and are given complete control. That's my main criticism. Terry as GM. The evidence for this has mounted. I'm not going to repeat it. I have a manila folder full of it. But for one Darcy just said Terry will decide the extent to which the team re-whatevers.

So beyond managing expectations, you believe that Terry Pegula is really the GM and that this isn't transparent to the public?

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:56 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 14 April 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

The issue Andrew is pointing out isn't not winning the Cup so far, it's going from confidently saying, "We're going to win a Cup, and then win another one" (paraphrase) and "Starting today..." and Ted Black several times referring to a "championship machine" to weak and defeatist-sounding statements about how rare it is to win one, how many decades it took this franchise to do it, and so on. It makes the initial famous declaration sound like something a PR guy suggested and not the backbone principle of the franchise.

Its about managing expectations.  And I don't blame the guy one bit.  He made an emotional speech when he bought the team and proclaimed a Stanley Cup within 3 years.  What did that pronouncement get him?  The most upset fanbase in the history of the team.  So he's taken some good advice and they are now managing expectations.  Of course it's PR.  So what?  What significant corporation doesn't use PR to their advantage?

I'll bitch about ownership when it looks like the team isn't trying.  We've seen that before.  Right now Pegula is a bit like a 2nd year defenseman growing into his role and learning to play at the big league level.  He still makes rookie mistakes but he's getting alot better about being in position before the play actually happens.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:01 AM

Hearing Pegula utter clumsy, off-color remarks on the big day, you understood why Black and his PR troops would be reluctant to set him loose in public.

Pegula doesn’t have a clue.

But there’s an aloof, even flippant, quality to the man. It’s as if Pegula feels he should be above criticism from the media.

They should be applauded for resurrecting the Rigases’ vision for the Webster Block and proving things can get done quickly in this town.

I imagine the owner isn’t the only one who’s confused and wondering if something is backwards here.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:02 AM

View Postweave, on 14 April 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

Its about managing expectations.  And I don't blame the guy one bit.  He made an emotional speech when he bought the team and proclaimed a Stanley Cup within 3 years.  What did that pronouncement get him?  The most upset fanbase in the history of the team.  So he's taken some good advice and they are now managing expectations.  Of course it's PR.  So what?  What significant corporation doesn't use PR to their advantage?

They are trying to thread the needle IMO. They don't want to say "rebuild" during a season. But that is clearly what needs to happen. We'll see if Buffalo has the stomach for it.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:02 AM



Ruhwedel joins Larsson, Hackett, Schaller, a 1st and four 2nds in less than a month.

I really think Darcy has won some kind of internal debate with Terry about how to build a team.
The free agent binge was Terry "the fan" playing with his new toy.
Now we're going to get Terry "the owner" building a team "the right way."
All the recent quotes from the FNC seem to support this.

Darcy has always followed the Bill Torrey model: assemble a core, let it grow together, fill in the missing pieces from outside the organization.
I actually agree with that philosophy, but it will be really hard to endure the rebuild, or put my faith in Darcy to do it.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:05 AM

View PostPASabreFan, on 14 April 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:


You too? Come on. Stop the personal attacks and debate the points. "You're just trolling." "You're just miserable." "You're schizophrenic." Sounds like some of you are afraid I'm right about Terry.

I just like quoting "House".

View PostPASabreFan, on 14 April 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

The issue Andrew is pointing out isn't not winning the Cup so far, it's going from confidently saying, "We're going to win a Cup, and then win another one" (paraphrase) and "Starting today..." and Ted Black several times referring to a "championship machine" to weak and defeatist-sounding statements about how rare it is to win one, how many decades it took this franchise to do it, and so on. It makes the initial famous declaration sound like something a PR guy suggested and not the backbone principle of the franchise.
So, he was right in telling the media to play nice? That's all it takes to build a winner? The right words?

Who cares what he says? As long as it looks like they are trying to change things around here then I don't care what they say. Baby steps. They fired Lindy after 16 years and Pominville is gone. What more do you want this year to show you that they are trying to build a winner?

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:05 AM

View PostSpndnchz, on 14 April 2013 - 11:01 AM, said:

Hearing Pegula utter clumsy, off-color remarks on the big day, you understood why Black and his PR troops would be reluctant to set him loose in public.

Pegula doesn’t have a clue.

But there’s an aloof, even flippant, quality to the man. It’s as if Pegula feels he should be above criticism from the media.

They should be applauded for resurrecting the Rigases’ vision for the Webster Block and proving things can get done quickly in this town.

I imagine the owner isn’t the only one who’s confused and wondering if something is backwards here.

Signed,
Sully

Sully, Esmonde, et al. will do everything in their power to bitch about progress and success in this town, which is why I don't read their columns anymore. I haven't read Esmonde in about ten years.  Sully, about three.  It's liberating.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:10 AM

View PostEleven, on 14 April 2013 - 11:05 AM, said:

Sully, Esmonde, et al. will do everything in their power to bitch about progress and success in this town, which is why I don't read their columns anymore. I haven't read Esmonde in about ten years.  Sully, about three.  It's liberating.

A quote from Thomas Sowell comes to mind:

"Think about the things that have improved our lives the most over the past century — medical advances, the transportation revolution, huge increases in consumer goods, dramatic improvements in housing, the computer revolution. The people who created these things — the doers — are not popular heroes. Our heroes are the talkers who complain about the doers.

Those who have created nothing have maintained a constant barrage of criticism of those who created something, because that something was considered to be not good enough or the benefits turned out to have costs."