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#1 Glass Case Of Emotion

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:52 AM

Not sure the best way to format this, but I'd like to see thoughts on the prospective trade value of the following players. I'm thinking more along the lines of what you think the market will bear, not what you'd want back. After the deadline (assuming some trades are made) we can look back and check our player value vs. the actual market. I understand that this is a significant undertaking.

End of year UFAs:
Leopold
Regher
Scott
Hecht

End of year RFAs:
Hodgson
Flynn
Weber
Enroth

The "Big Three":
Miller
Vanek
Pominville

The Huge Contracts:
Leino
Myers
Ehrhoff

The Young guys with Contract Time left:
Ennis
Gerbe
Foligno

The Others:
Kaleta
Ott
Stafford
Sekera
Porter

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:52 PM

View PostLastPommerFan, on 27 March 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Not sure the best way to format this, but I'd like to see thoughts on the prospective trade value of the following players. I'm thinking more along the lines of what you think the market will bear, not what you'd want back. After the deadline (assuming some trades are made) we can look back and check our player value vs. the actual market. I understand that this is a significant undertaking.

End of year UFAs:
Leopold
Regher
Scott
Hecht

End of year RFAs:
Hodgson
Flynn
Weber
Enroth

The "Big Three":
Miller
Vanek
Pominville

The Huge Contracts:
Leino
Myers
Ehrhoff

The Young guys with Contract Time left:
Ennis
Gerbe
Foligno

The Others:
Kaleta
Ott
Stafford
Sekera
Porter

RFAs: make an offer to Hodgson and Weber, maybe Enroth and and maybe maybe Flynn if it's less than $1.5M.

UFAs: Maybe Regher and Scott. Woudln't cry if all the UFAs left.

Others: Keep Kaleta, Ott, and Sekera. Actively shop Stafford. Sekera and Porter shop as part of a package. I don't dislike either of them, but trades need to happen.

Huge Contracts: Leino's cap-hit isn't as bad as it would seem at $4.5m. Erhoff is good, Myers has been showing some flashes of hope when he's been paired with the right partner, who is not named Jordan.

Big Three: I think those three are somewhat undervalued by many here, but I'd ship any of them for the right return. It kinda hurts to say that, since I like all three of them for what they are: an above average goaltender, and very good 2nd line or decent top line scorers. Pominville is probably the only one that isn't overpaid, but I'm not entirely sure of that. Miller and Vanek are probably making about $1m too much each.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:53 PM

Soooo many variables here.  Really depends on what team they were going to and what that team would be willing to overpay to get.  Another variable is saying "for prospect" are you talking a 1st round pick prospect or a 3rd round goalie prospect?

Would we just assume overpayment and go from there?

About the only "set the market rate" we've seen would be something like a 1st rd for Regehr (again to a team that is desperate and would overpay) or two second round picks.

i.e. Kassian to Vancouver for Hodgson.

View PostMattPie, on 27 March 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

RFAs: make an offer to Hodgson and Weber, maybe Enroth and and maybe maybe Flynn if it's less than $1.5M.

UFAs: Maybe Regher and Scott. Woudln't cry if all the UFAs left.

Others: Keep Kaleta, Ott, and Sekera. Actively shop Stafford. Sekera and Porter shop as part of a package. I don't dislike either of them, but trades need to happen.

Huge Contracts: Leino's cap-hit isn't as bad as it would seem at $4.5m. Erhoff is good, Myers has been showing some flashes of hope when he's been paired with the right partner, who is not named Jordan.

Big Three: I think those three are somewhat undervalued by many here, but I'd ship any of them for the right return. It kinda hurts to say that, since I like all three of them for what they are: an above average goaltender, and very good 2nd line or decent top line scorers. Pominville is probably the only one that isn't overpaid, but I'm not entirely sure of that. Miller and Vanek are probably making about $1m too much each.

i think he means trade value not contract value.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:46 PM

View PostLastPommerFan, on 27 March 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Not sure the best way to format this, but I'd like to see thoughts on the prospective trade value of the following players. I'm thinking more along the lines of what you think the market will bear, not what you'd want back. After the deadline (assuming some trades are made) we can look back and check our player value vs. the actual market. I understand that this is a significant undertaking.

End of year UFAs:
Leopold  2nd if lucky 3rd at least
Regher  1st or two 2nd' s
Scott 5th at best
Hecht meh, not sure there is a market but maybe a 4th or 5th

End of year RFAs:
Hodgson 1st and 2nd minimum, young showing lots of potential
Flynn 3rd at best maybe 4th
Weber solid 2nd a 5th  
Enroth Meh, not sure there is a market 4th maybe with his current record

The "Big Three":
Miller two 1st's or one 1st, 2nd and 3rd
Vanek Ditto above
Pominville Maybe a 1st more likely a 2nd and/or 3rd if lucky

The Huge Contracts:
Leino No takers
Myers  should be a 1st at least
Ehrhoff 1st and 3rd

The Young guys with Contract Time left:
Ennis 2nd
Gerbe meh, not sure anyone would but maybe a 5th
Foligno 2nd or two 3rd's

The Others:
Kaleta 4th or 5th
Ott 1st if lucky more likely 2nd
Stafford meh, no takers with that salary, 4th at best
Sekera should at least be a 2nd round pick could be a 1st if lucky
Porter meh, is there a market, 4th or 5th

Okay I played, I decided not to get into the subjectivity of trying to rate players for players so I used draft pick value as the currency of choice.

Fire away.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:51 PM

View PostR_dudly, on 27 March 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Okay I played, I decided not to get into the subjectivity of trying to rate players for players so I used draft pick value as the currency of choice.

Fire away.

I like this mode. I think players/draft picks are pretty interchangable if they're young, i.e. a first round pick last year is similar to a first rounder in this years draft (for the most part)

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 02:34 PM

View PostR_dudly, on 27 March 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Okay I played, I decided not to get into the subjectivity of trying to rate players for players so I used draft pick value as the currency of choice.

Fire away.

I think a lot of this is right, with a few alterations, mostly elevating return value for some players I feel differently about- mostly the players whose value has been deflated in conversation in this forum (I believe they still have a real market value higher than many value them here).

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End of year UFAs:
Leopold  2nd and 4th
Regher  1st or two 2nd' s + conditional 4th if re-signed
Scott 5th at best
Hecht meh, not sure there is a market but maybe a 4th or 5th

End of year RFAs:
Hodgson High 1st and 2nd minimum, young showing lots of potential
Flynn 3rd at best maybe 4th
Weber solid 2nd a 5th  
Enroth Meh, not sure there is a market 3rd maybe with his current record

The "Big Three":
Miller two 1st's or one 1st, 2nd and 3rd
Vanek Ditto above, including a high 1st
Pominville Maybe a 1st and 2nd and/or 3rd if lucky

The Huge Contracts:
Leino (Low) 1st or two 2nds
Myers  should be a Mid-High 1st and 2nd
Ehrhoff 1st and 2nd

The Young guys with Contract Time left:
Ennis High 1st or low 1st and 2nd
Gerbe 3rd
Foligno 2nd or two 3rd's

The Others:
Kaleta 3rd
Ott (Low) 1st and 3rd
Stafford Low 1st or High 2nd and 3rd
Sekera 2nd and 3rd
Porter meh, is there a market, 4th or 5th


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:13 PM

very good idea to run this model to get everyone's feedback; I have a drive from ATL to CHI tomorrow, so I will have plenty of windshield time to enter my opinions

thanks for the OP

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:32 PM

View PostR_dudly, on 27 March 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Okay I played, I decided not to get into the subjectivity of trying to rate players for players so I used draft pick value as the currency of choice.

Fire away.

Good idea to use picks...


End of year UFAs:
Leopold - 3rd
Regher - two 2nds based on Murray trade... maybe a 1st to the right team
Scott - 6th or 7th (doubt anyone would even take that)
Hecht 5th (doubt anyone would want him)

End of year RFAs:
Hodgson - value wise, 1st + 2nd at the least. Untouchable to me anyway, though.
Flynn - 5th, 4th if we're lucky because he's youngish & looks not bad so far in the NHL
Weber - 3rd to the right team
Enroth - 2nd.. has proven he can win at times, had a rough stretch but has never really been "given the reigns" to see what he can do as a starter.

The "Big Three":
Miller - 1st + 2nd, maybe two 1sts tbh. not gonna be easy to get another goalie of his caliber or even a starter.
Vanek - two 1sts, maybe additional 3rd or 4th
Pominville - 1st + 3rd... harder than i thought to value these three in picks ^^^

The Huge Contracts:
Leino - 3rd.. still a good player, despite salary.
Myers - 1st + 3rd... dont care about his contract, someone would take it
Ehrhoff - 1st i think. too important to give away for anything else, and a very manageable contract

The Young guys with Contract Time left:
Ennis - two 1sts... i doubt very much that any1 would pay that, but i wouldn't do it for less personally.very close to untouchable to me
Gerbe - 4th... love the kid to death but i doubt many teams value him much higher than a 4th.
Foligno - 1st... again, not sure people would pay that, but his (potential) importance to the team puts him close to untouchable for me.

The Others:
Kaleta - 4th because someone needs a pest... he is a good pest
Ott - true value maybe a 2nd but i wouldn't trade him...
Stafford - 2nd to someone who thinks they can find 30-goal stafford again
Sekera - 2nd, solid defenseman/ maybe a 1st to the right team.
Porter - 5th, 6th, probably nothing.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:32 PM

View PostLastPommerFan, on 27 March 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Not sure the best way to format this, but I'd like to see thoughts on the prospective trade value of the following players. I'm thinking more along the lines of what you think the market will bear, not what you'd want back. After the deadline (assuming some trades are made) we can look back and check our player value vs. the actual market. I understand that this is a significant undertaking.

End of year UFAs:
Leopold -  2nd + 3rd or 4th
Regher - (Mid to low) 1st or 2 2nds
Scott - 4th or 5th
Hecht - 3rd or 4th

End of year RFAs:
Hodgson - (High) 1st + 2nd + 3rd(next year) Won't accept offers
Flynn - 4th
Weber - 3rd Only willing if other D-men are inbound
Enroth - 2nd + 4th(next year)

The "Big Three":
Miller -  1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd and 4th(next year)
Vanek -  1st, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd and 4th(next year)
Pominville - 1st, 2nd, 3rd

The Huge Contracts:
Leino - 3rd
Myers - 1st + 3rd, 3rd (next year)
Ehrhoff - 1st + 3rd Not on market, really would need to be wowed

The Young guys with Contract Time left:
Ennis - 1st, 1st(next year)
Gerbe - 3rd or 4th
Foligno - 1st Not looking for trade

The Others:
Kaleta - 3rd or 4th (Desperation could raise his value.)
Ott - 2nd and 4th Not looking for trade
Stafford - 2nd and 3rd
Sekera - 1st or 2nd + 4th
Porter - 4th or 5th


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:11 PM

Picks? Really? Wouldn't we need actual known players not picks for Vanek, Miller, Pommers, Myers, Weber and Hodgson.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:27 PM

View PostVanBoxmeer, on 27 March 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Picks? Really? Wouldn't we need actual known players not picks for Vanek, Miller, Pommers, Myers, Weber and Hodgson.

It is not what they would be traded for, it is what they're worth is. Picks act as a currency to assign to each player, which makes them more comparable

Edited by ThirtyEight, 27 March 2013 - 07:32 PM.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:29 PM

View PostThirtyEight, on 27 March 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

It is not what they would be traded for, it is what their worth is. Picks act as a currency to assign to each player, which makes them more comparable

Yep, then you say, "man, I would trade two first round picks and a tenth roud pick for that Tsujimoto guy," and you figure out what combination of players and picks you have to put togehter to make that happen.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:42 PM

I am wondering if Miller, and goalies in general, have any value at all?

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:48 PM

View Postdeluca67, on 27 March 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

I am wondering if Miller, and goalies in general, have any value at all?

Sure.  Noronen as a #3 gathered a 2nd rounder at the deadline those years ago.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:41 PM

View PostThirtyEight, on 27 March 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

It is not what they would be traded for, it is what they're worth is. Picks act as a currency to assign to each player, which makes them more comparable

I dig it. Phil Kessel deal turned into Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton do the math on that one.
Tyler Seguin with the second overall

Edited by VanBoxmeer, 27 March 2013 - 08:41 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:36 AM

End of year UFAs:
Leopold — a second, or a first and we add a third
Regher — see Douglas Murray
Scott — a fifth
Hecht — a fourth

End of year RFAs:
Hodgson — will not be traded
Flynn — a fifth
Weber — only traded as a sweetener in a deal that brings in a big player
Enroth — only traded as part of deal that brings in Miller's replacement

The "Big Three":
Miller — two first-rounders/first round level prospects but we'd have to take on a contract in return
Vanek — two first-rounders/first round level prospects (one of them elite) and an NHL player
Pominville — two first-rounders/first round level prospects

The Huge Contracts:
Leino —a fifth and we'd have to take a bad contract in return
Myers — only traded as part of blockbuster that brings an elite young player to Buffalo
Ehrhoff — will not be traded

The Young guys with Contract Time left:
Ennis —only traded as part of a package for an elite young player
Gerbe —a fourth
Foligno —only traded as part of a package for an elite young player

The Others:
Kaleta —a third
Ott — a first or similar prospect
Stafford — a have a faint hope Darcy could still net a second for him.
Sekera — part of a package a good player, or a first (we'd be stupid to take less)
Porter — a fifth

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:02 AM

End of year UFAs:
Leopold - 2nd
Regher - 1st and Prospect
Scott - no market
Hecht - 3rd

End of year RFAs:
Hodgson - (2) 1sts and a top prospect
Flynn - no market
Weber - 2nd
Enroth - 3rd

The "Big Three":
Miller - late first, NHL Player, Goalie Prospect
Vanek - 2 1st and a top prospect
Pominville - Top Prospect, middling prospect, and a first

The Huge Contracts:
Leino - no market
Myers - 2 1st and a top Prospect
Ehrhoff - 3 first round picks or equivalent

The Young guys with Contract Time left:
Ennis - early 1st
Gerbe- 2nd
Foligno - 1st rounder and a prospect

The Others:
Kaleta - 2nd
Ott - 1st and 2nd
Stafford - no market
Sekera - no market due to recent injury
Porter- 3rd

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:59 PM

Great thread.

Here's my 2 cents:

End of year UFAs:
Leopold - 2nd & 5th
Regher - 2 2nds or a 1st if Sabres send a 4th
Scott - no market
Hecht - 4th

End of year RFAs:
Hodgson - will not be traded
Flynn - no market
Weber - 2nd
Enroth - 2nd

The "Big Three":
Miller - first, top-6 forward or top-4 D, top Goalie Prospect
Vanek - 2 1st and a top prospect
Pominville - Top Prospect, middling prospect, and a first

The Huge Contracts:
Leino - no market
Myers - no market
Ehrhoff - no market

[I don't think any GM will be interested in taking on that much term and that much cash for any of these guys.]

The Young guys with Contract Time left:
Ennis - 1st plus top prospect
Gerbe- 4th
Foligno - will not be traded

The Others:
Kaleta - 2nd
Ott - 2 2nds
Stafford - no market
Sekera - 1st and 2nd
Porter- no market

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 10:56 AM

End of year UFAs:
Leopold - 2nd
Regher - (2) 2's or prospect
Scott - 6th or 7th
Hecht - 5th-7th

End of year RFAs:
Hodgson - NA
Flynn - 3rd
Weber - NA
Enroth - 3rd

The "Big Three":
Miller - Top Prospect, Roster player and a 1st
Vanek - Top Prospect, Roster player and a 1st
Pominville - Top Prospect, Roster player and a 1st


The Huge Contracts:
Leino - Bag of pucks
Myers - Prospect and a 1st or another young player with potential (even hockey trade much like Kassien for Hodgson)
Ehrhoff - NA

The Young guys with Contract Time left:
Ennis - NA
Gerbe - 3rd
Foligno - NA

The Others:
Kaleta - NA
Ott - NA
Stafford - 1st or 2nd and roster player
Sekera - 1st or 2nd and roster player
Porter - 4th

I think this is a very interesting conversation but I would ask of the people you would like the Sabres to look at what would their value be rated?  I would like to see the Sabres get a young Goalie.  Getting younger in net would allow us to trade Miller who I believe could get us the best return at the draft.  Goalies that could be available:
Ben Bishop - (2) 2's
Jonathan Bernier - 1st and a 3rd
Jake Allen - 1st and 3rd

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 11:25 AM

I bet darcy trades stafford for filppula.   trades regher for a late 1st round pick to LA.

Rumours of miller going to tampa bay, but don't know what i'd want from that team that they would be wiling to give up for miller.
miller for a 1st + ?

edit: dont know why he'd want to go there though :D

Edited by Heimdall, 29 March 2013 - 11:30 AM.


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Posted 29 March 2013 - 11:40 AM

View PostHeimdall, on 29 March 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

I bet darcy trades stafford for filppula.   trades regher for a late 1st round pick to LA.

How much?

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 11:42 AM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 29 March 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

How much?

Can I get in on this?

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:06 PM

View Postnfreeman, on 28 March 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Great thread.
Here's my 2 cents:

End of year UFAs:
Leopold - 2nd & 5th


Nice Work.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:07 PM

View PostLastPommerFan, on 30 March 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

Nice Work.

Haha.  I just popped in here too.  A few (including you) said a 2nd and 4th so we'll have to wait. haha

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:36 PM

Wow, we were right on par with Leo's trade value.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 07:46 PM

Yep.  We should GM by committee.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 01:15 AM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 30 March 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

Yep.  We should GM by committee.

Horrible idea ;)

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 05:02 AM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 30 March 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

Yep.  We should GM by committee.

I can see it now. A starting lineup with 3 power forwards, 2 bruising defensemen, Gerbe at center, and no goalie.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:43 AM

Predicted Value of Sabres' Players by trendingbuffalo.com:

http://www.trendingb...-sale-underway/

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:50 AM

View Post26CornerBlitz, on 01 April 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

Predicted Value of Sabres' Players by trendingbuffalo.com:

http://www.trendingb...-sale-underway/

Not worth the click.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:20 AM

View PostLastPommerFan, on 27 March 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Not sure the best way to format this, but I'd like to see thoughts on the prospective trade value of the following players. I'm thinking more along the lines of what you think the market will bear, not what you'd want back. After the deadline (assuming some trades are made) we can look back and check our player value vs. the actual market. I understand that this is a significant undertaking.

End of year UFAs:
Leopold
Regher
Scott
Hecht

End of year RFAs:
Hodgson
Flynn
Weber
Enroth

The "Big Three":
Miller
Vanek
Pominville

The Huge Contracts:
Leino
Myers
Ehrhoff

The Young guys with Contract Time left:
Ennis
Gerbe
Foligno

The Others:
Kaleta
Ott
Stafford
Sekera
Porter

Not to be negative but imo this is an exercise in futility. As Chz said there's just too many variables. Some of which we as fans aren't aware of.

Nice work Freeman.

Edited by bunomatic, 01 April 2013 - 09:31 AM.


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 07:44 PM

Looks like many of us nailed Regehr's value too.  Go us.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:49 PM

This board is smarter than it looks!

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:34 PM

Pominville + 4th nets 1st, 2nd, Larsson (former 2nd), Hackett (former 3rd), very slightly more than most were expecting.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 08:36 PM

View PostIKnowPhysics, on 27 March 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

I think a lot of this is right, with a few alterations, mostly elevating return value for some players I feel differently about- mostly the players whose value has been deflated in conversation in this forum (I believe they still have a real market value higher than many value them here).

Pretty good work there.

This is fun to look at after the fact.

I was a bit too conservative with my guess's however I was the first one to set a baseline and I think it's easier to see a model and adjust from there vs. making the first. Thats' my Darcy excuse.

Only problem now full tale will not be known till off season and possibly trade deadline next year.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 07:31 PM

For what it's worth, Columbus was willing to offer a first round pick for Stafford, until Gaborik became available last second.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 07:50 PM

View PostVanek-Man, on 08 April 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

For what it's worth, Columbus was willing to offer a first round pick for Stafford, until Gaborik became available last second.

http://kuklaskorner....t-were-rejected
Can you post this in the Stafford Must Go thread so that I can be livid about it in there?

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 07:53 PM

View PostRobviously, on 08 April 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

Can you post this in the Stafford Must Go thread so that I can be livid about it in there?

Be as livid as you want, but I'm going to need a more reliable source.





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