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[LGR4GM]

NOw before you all freak out I am simply asking if the Sabres ended up selecting 1st in this yers draft (which is possible) who do  you think they should select?  Our defense has been horrible so we could take Jones. He has a lot skills and would def help our d line. He is also a big body.  Or we can take MacKinnon who could be a top 6 forward for us almost immediately and projects to be talked about with guys like Corsby, Stamkos, Tavares.  So do you go defense or offense?

Me personally I take MacKinnon simply because we lack so much up front and this kid could be great on a line with Grigorenko.  From what I have read he plays mostly RW and depending on what you think of Stafford/Pommers/Armia we could easily use him.  Bottom line I would not pass on so much offensive talent.  His intangibles are less known to me but if anyone has read about those plese chime in.

SO whats it going to be?


Nathan MacKinnon
http://www.hockeydb.....php?pid=143744

Seth Jones
http://www.hockeydb.....php?pid=130914

Central Scouting Ranks: North American Players
http://www.nhl.com/i...spectbrowse.htm

Edited by LGR4GM, Yesterday, 07:17 AM.

[Spndnchz]

A goalie. #ducks

[d4rksabre]

Boris Nogoalov (G)

[IKnowPhysics]

L'Carpetron Dookmarriot

[thesportsbuff]

Drouin

[IKnowPhysics]

Saggitariutt Jefferspin

[Grumpy]

Hannah Brandt, Minnesota Golden Gophers

[bunomatic]

Nate

[evilempire]

we cant even lose good enough.  well lose the lottery and have to draft 2nd

[papazoid]

leon sandcastle.....

[TrueBluePhD]

thesportsbuff, on 23 February 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

Drouin

Has to at least be in the discussion here.

evilempire, on 23 February 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

we cant even lose good enough.  well lose the lottery and have to draft 2nd

Honestly I doubt that's a problem this year.  MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin...there is no consensus top pick other than those are the class of the draft.  Get one and be happy.

[Who Else?]

Nicolas Petan
Ht/Wt:5' 9"/165 lbs
Position:C
Team: Portland (WHL)

[Robviously]

TrueBluePhD, on 23 February 2013 - 09:59 PM, said:

Has to at least be in the discussion here.




Honestly I doubt that's a problem this year.  MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin...there is no consensus top pick other than those are the class of the draft.  Get one and be happy.

It doesn't sound like Barkov and Nichuskin are too far behind either.  This is supposedly a deep draft.  I doubt it'll be as ridiculous as 2003, but a top pick this year should really matter.

[evilempire]

TrueBluePhD, on 23 February 2013 - 09:59 PM, said:

Has to at least be in the discussion here.




Honestly I doubt that's a problem this year.  MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin...there is no consensus top pick other than those are the class of the draft.  Get one and be happy.

So well go on a mini win streak right at the end of the season and draft 4th then

[ThirtyEight]

Robviously, on 23 February 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

It doesn't sound like Barkov and Nichuskin are too far behind either.  This is supposedly a deep draft.  I doubt it'll be as ridiculous as 2003, but a top pick this year should really matter.

Honestly, if we have to tank a season...a shortened season with a deep draft we can trade assets off to get picks in is pretty good. If we could pull some magic at the deadline and get 2 more firsts, we would be sitting pretty for next couple years

[Robviously]

ThirtyEight, on 23 February 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

Honestly, if we have to tank a season...a shortened season with a deep draft we can trade assets off to get picks in is pretty good. If we could pull some magic at the deadline and get 2 more firsts, we would be sitting pretty for next couple years

We should be able to pick up some extra picks for sure.

[Potato]

I'd go with MacKinnon.  We haven't done well with Texas-born defensemen as of late.  

[IKnowPhysics]

Beezer Twelve Washingbeard

[carpandean]

IKnowPhysics, on 23 February 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

L'Carpetron Dookmarriot

I like it!

[TrueBluePhD]

Trade for O'Reilly and draft Jones.

[BRAWNDO]

ThirtyEight, on 23 February 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

Honestly, if we have to tank a season...a shortened season with a deep draft we can trade assets off to get picks in is pretty good. If we could pull some magic at the deadline and get 2 more firsts, we would be sitting pretty for next couple years

The Sabres should have some discussions with Columbus about their three first round picks.

[drnkirishone]

i have no faith we draft 1st no matter where we finish in the standings

[Pville29]

drnkirishone, on 24 February 2013 - 01:57 AM, said:

i have no faith we draft 1st no matter where we finish in the standings

Pretty sure the sabres will make a too late push at the end and miss the playoffs by 2-3pts and draft between 10 and 14th position.

[IKnowPhysics]

Tyroil Smoochie-Wallace

[qwksndmonster]

Sol Immerman

[North Buffalo]

LGR4GM, on 23 February 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

NOw before you all freak out I am simply asking if the Sabres ended up selecting 1st in this yers draft (which is possible) who do  you think they should select?  Our defense has been horrible so we could take Jones. He has a lot skills and would def help our d line. He is also a big body.  Or we can take MacKinnon who could be a top 6 forward for us almost immediately and projects to be talked about with guys like Corsby, Stamkos, Tavares.  So do you go defense or offense?

Me personally I take MacKinnon simply because we lack so much up front and this kid could be great on a line with Grigorenko.  From what I have read he plays mostly RW and depending on what you think of Stafford/Pommers/Armia we could easily use him.  Bottom line I would not pass on so much offensive talent.  His intangibles are less known to me but if anyone has read about those plese chime in.

SO whats it going to be?


Nathan MacKinnon
http://www.hockeydb.....php?pid=143744

Seth Jones
http://www.hockeydb.....php?pid=130914

Central Scouting Ranks: North American Players
http://www.nhl.com/i...spectbrowse.htm

At the rate they are going, I couldn't agree more, any of the bottom feeders need a goalie, besides the Sabres being a bottom feeder. Is there enough depth out there to get two top 5 picks?  If the Sabres are going to redo their roster, my idea is go big....  But that would also mean getting rid of Darcy....

Edited by North Buffalo, 24 February 2013 - 07:30 AM.

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Brian Burke

[North Buffalo]

sicknfla, on 24 February 2013 - 07:42 AM, said:

Brian Burke

Ah, No..

[carpandean]

drnkirishone, on 24 February 2013 - 01:57 AM, said:

i have no faith we draft 1st no matter where we finish in the standings

Well, considering that the 30th-placed team now only has a 25% (roughly) chance of keeping the first overall pick, nobody should have faith that any team drafts first regardless of where they finish.  They got rid of the "only can move up four spots" rule, which used to mean that the 30th-placed team would still get the #1 pick if 19-25th placed teams won the lottery, giving them roughly a 50% chance of keeping it.

[LGR4GM]

Was not familair with Drouin but have read some on him and a LW with his potential would be really nice to have on this team.  Anyone have more to say on him?  If we drafted 2nd and MacKinnon was gone I would take him over Jones but thats just because we lack offensive talent on this team.

http://www.hockeydb.....php?pid=148882

North Buffalo, on 24 February 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

At the rate they are going, I couldn't agree more, any of the bottom feeders need a goalie, besides the Sabres being a bottom feeder. Is there enough depth out there to get two top 5 picks?  If the Sabres are going to redo their roster, my idea is go big....  But that would also mean getting rid of Darcy....

Didn't philly send a pick to columbus?  Maybe I am remembering that wrong but if thats right we could try and get that pick from columbus and hope philly tanks.  THe trick is to get a 1st thats already been traded to a team playing for a cup. They are likely to move it and it could turn out great.

[HopefulFuture]

You take Nathan Mackinnon and it's not even close.

As for trading for another first, bad idea. If your going to move real talent out, as others have pointed out, real talent needs to be coming back.
Vanek, Pominville and Miller most likely aren't going anywhere, so I would look to Stafford and some of the defensemen getting moved. Just my opinion though on the current roster.

[Peppy22]

I doubt that the Sabres will have the first overall but if, I would probably take Seth Jones.

[LGR4GM]

HopefulFuture, on 24 February 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

You take Nathan Mackinnon and it's not even close.

As for trading for another first, bad idea. If your going to move real talent out, as others have pointed out, real talent needs to be coming back.
Vanek, Pominville and Miller most likely aren't going anywhere, so I would look to Stafford and some of the defensemen getting moved. Just my opinion though on the current roster.

That depends on what you are doing.  If you are in full rebuild it changes things.  I don't want to see that but it remains an option.  If they were to do it this would be the year considering the "depth" of the class. Of course the true depth wont be known for about a decade.

[HopefulFuture]

LGR4GM, on 24 February 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

That depends on what you are doing.  If you are in full rebuild it changes things.  I don't want to see that but it remains an option.  If they were to do it this would be the year considering the "depth" of the class. Of course the true depth wont be known for about a decade.

You pointed out the very reason why it's not going to happen. They aren't going to go into another 5 year funk, and although it's tempting to go after those tangibles that are not proven, taking the risk or proverbial jump off the cliff on a hope and prayer type scenario, that's just not smart no matter how your opinion sways.

It would be logical to keep those 3 for marketing reasons along with a slew of other reasons. As I said, some movements will be made, but your more likely to see Stafford and some D men moved as opposed to M-V-P.

[ThirtyEight]

Would people trade Stafford for a first (20-30)?

[TrueBluePhD]

ThirtyEight, on 24 February 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

Would people trade Stafford for a first (20-30)?

Without hesitation.

[Robviously]

ThirtyEight, on 24 February 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

Would people trade Stafford for a first (20-30)?

TrueBluePhD, on 24 February 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

Without hesitation.

Nashville would probably do that.  They're trying to win this year and they were dead last in Goals Scored/Game last I checked.  I'd probably ask for more since a late first round pick isn't all that special in the NHL draft.

[Sabres Fan In NS]

I have watched both Drouin and MacKinnon for 2 years now.

Both play centre and wing.  MacKinnon is a natural centre, but Drouin is a natural winger.

MacKinnon is very similar to Crosby, both in character and skill.  They both grew up in the same neighbourhood in Halifax.

Now Drouin is just special.  An extremely gifted goal scorer and pure magic with the puck, so he is also an assist machine.

An extremely difficult choice, but assuming that I am the Sabres GM and have the pick where it needs to be, I take ... Drouin.  I would not be surprised at all if he goes first overall.

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I know Chz was not serious about a goalie and I would not take him with my first pick, but I would use a late first round / early second round pick on Zach Fucale.

Yes, the Buffalo Mooseheads.

[LGR4GM]

HopefulFuture, on 24 February 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

You pointed out the very reason why it's not going to happen. They aren't going to go into another 5 year funk, and although it's tempting to go after those tangibles that are not proven, taking the risk or proverbial jump off the cliff on a hope and prayer type scenario, that's just not smart no matter how your opinion sways.

It would be logical to keep those 3 for marketing reasons along with a slew of other reasons. As I said, some movements will be made, but your more likely to see Stafford and some D men moved as opposed to M-V-P.

so instead we remain mediocre for the next decade. Or does anyone believe regier has the ability to go out and get top end talent via trades or UFA?

If you are rebuilding it makes perfect sense to sell vets for picks and prospects.  That is the way to rebuild.  Edmonton has sucked for a 4years now, over the next 2-4yrs though they will get better and better and better. We are not gettin better.  We are staying mediocre.

[TrueBluePhD]

Robviously, on 24 February 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

Nashville would probably do that.  They're trying to win this year and they were dead last in Goals Scored/Game last I checked.  I'd probably ask for more since a late first round pick isn't all that special in the NHL draft.

Don't have to use the pick, can use it in a package for another player or to move up in the draft, or whatever.  Might be able to squeeze a middling prospect from a desperate team in addition to the first, but I doubt we'd get anything to get too excited about.