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#1 CallawaySabres

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 04:02 PM

And there goes the only reason I would have been slightly excited to see them play this year. Now, I give you the thumbs up to cancel it and I'll see you in October...

http://prohockeytalk...lo-this-season/

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 04:25 PM

View PostCallawaySabres, on 20 December 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

And there goes the only reason I would have been slightly excited to see them play this year. Now, I give you the thumbs up to cancel it and I'll see you in October...

http://prohockeytalk...lo-this-season/

I know what you're saying about excitement, but it's the right move for his development IMO.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 04:36 PM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 20 December 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

I know what you're saying about excitement, but it's the right move for his development IMO.

Not to mention the fact that the reliability of the source of the story is in question.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:26 PM

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 20 December 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Not to mention the fact that the reliability of the source of the story is in question.

Amen to that.  The body of that quick write up in no way matches the headline.  The whole thing is just poorly written.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:28 PM

Why waste a full year of his ELC on a 48 game season?

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:39 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 20 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Why waste a full year of his ELC on a 48 game season?

Can we still get 9 games?

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:45 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 20 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Why waste a full year of his ELC on a 48 game season?

Why waste a full year of Girgensons' when they could have left him in Vermont?

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:43 AM

View PostSpndnchz, on 20 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Why waste a full year of his ELC on a 48 game season?
You really think we'll see 48?

View Postshrader, on 20 December 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

Why waste a full year of Girgensons' when they could have left him in Vermont?
You ever been to Vermont? ;)

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:55 AM

View Postshrader, on 20 December 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

Why waste a full year of Girgensons' when they could have left him in Vermont?

Seeing the way he plays in Rochester, i'm sure the Sabres wish he went to Vermont.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:12 AM

View PostTaro T, on 21 December 2012 - 01:43 AM, said:

You ever been to Vermont? ;)

You should see how boring their hockey is.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:19 AM

If any game still gets played this season.  they should focus on building a winner for the 2013 - 2014 season.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:50 AM

I want Grigs in camp and on the roster to begin the season.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:09 AM

Per Bob McKenzie, Grigorenko will be at the Sabres training camp when it opens.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:13 AM

View PostVanek-Man, on 06 January 2013 - 09:09 AM, said:

Per Bob McKenzie, Grigorenko will be at the Sabres training camp when it opens.

Great to hear that, Thanks.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:56 AM

View PostSpndnchz, on 20 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Why waste a full year of his ELC on a 48 game season?
are we sure the new CBA would have that count this year?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:07 AM

View PostPatty16, on 06 January 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

are we sure the new CBA would have that count this year?

It would have to. And btw I've changed my opinion.  I want to see Oreo play. (yeah, I said it)

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:13 AM

Not necessarily, TSN said it wasnt clear that they would count this year.  I would imagine some of the clubs would be annoyed that a shortened season would count, but not sure the players would give in on this so easily either.   9/50 games is a big diff from 9/82.  10% of games vs 20% of games to get a look.  

In any event, I'm in your boat.  We have no C depth and we need help.  This season is gonna be Fast and Fuhrious

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:42 AM

View PostSpndnchz, on 06 January 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

It would have to. And btw I've changed my opinion.  I want to see Oreo play. (yeah, I said it)

Me too.  I have seen exactly zero of his junior games, but it seems like he's not really being challenged at that level.  If (and this is a big if) he's good enough to play 10 min per game in the NHL this year -- that's probably better for his development than finishing the year in juniors.  The economic issues in burning one of his cheap years are less important with Daddy Warbucks in charge.  And I want to see him on the PP with Ennis and Vanek.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:21 PM

I questioned Bob McKenzie on the juniors thing. A number of tweets after indicate the GM's have no idea right now.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 06 January 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

I questioned Bob McKenzie on the juniors thing. A number of tweets after indicate the GM's have no idea right now.

Sounds about right.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

Like I said before, it seemed odd to just assume a much shortened season would still have the 9 game rule apply automatically.   Some teams may be pushing really hard to have it not apply this year. Players wont like it though.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:18 PM

I think it's more of a CHL rule than a NHL rule, which is why it won't change. The reason the 10-game rule exists is because they don't want kids like RNH and co. playing half a season in the NHL and then going back to playing vs kids if the team changes their mind -- it's not there just to make life hard for GMs, it's there to protect the competition of the junior leagues. So I don't think NHL teams can "push hard" to have the rule nullified.

I tweeted Garth several months ago asking about this, and yes the 10-game tryout rule applies. Good to hear that Grigo will be at camp, though I expect it will be more challenging for him to make the team than if the season had started on time. He's in the middle of a great season with his team mates, and could end up going to the Memorial Cup -- let's see what he can do there. Give him another shot at it, see what kind of leader he is. I think it almost makes more sense developmentally to leave him in juniors, despite how bad I want to see him with the Sabres.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:06 PM

View Postthesportsbuff, on 06 January 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

I think it's more of a CHL rule than a NHL rule, which is why it won't change. The reason the 10-game rule exists is because they don't want kids like RNH and co. playing half a season in the NHL and then going back to playing vs kids if the team changes their mind -- it's not there just to make life hard for GMs, it's there to protect the competition of the junior leagues. So I don't think NHL teams can "push hard" to have the rule nullified.

I tweeted Garth several months ago asking about this, and yes the 10-game tryout rule applies. Good to hear that Grigo will be at camp, though I expect it will be more challenging for him to make the team than if the season had started on time. He's in the middle of a great season with his team mates, and could end up going to the Memorial Cup -- let's see what he can do there. Give him another shot at it, see what kind of leader he is. I think it almost makes more sense developmentally to leave him in juniors, despite how bad I want to see him with the Sabres.
Give him his 9 games and then let his play dictate where he ends up the year.

If he forces the Sabres to keep him, then do it.  Otherwise, push his transition to FA off 1 year further into the future.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

I want Grigorenko. Give the kid this "joke" season to get acclimated to the NHL then let him break out next year for the full grind. If we win a Cup this year we'll never hear the end of it from the haters.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:48 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 06 January 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

I want Grigorenko. Give the kid this "joke" season to get acclimated to the NHL then let him break out next year for the full grind. If we win a Cup this year we'll never hear the end of it from the haters.

They really have to IMO, the roster after Ennis and Hodgson is like a donut.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:19 PM

View Postd4rksabre, on 06 January 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

I want Grigorenko. Give the kid this "joke" season to get acclimated to the NHL then let him break out next year for the full grind. If we win a Cup this year we'll never hear the end of it from the haters.

It probably would be better to have him get used to the NHL in a 48 to 50 game season.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:24 PM

View PostBRAWNDO, on 06 January 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:



It probably would be better to have him get used to the NHL in a 48 to 50 game season.

I'm basing my opinion on absolutely nothing but that is how I see it as well.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

If Grigs making the team means no Matt Ellis, I'm all for it.  I realize this is robbing Peter to pay Paul but Matt Ellis' harm to the Amerks is worth seeing Grigs.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:13 PM

View Postinkman, on 06 January 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

If Grigs making the team means no Matt Ellis, I'm all for it.  I realize this is robbing Peter to pay Paul but Matt Ellis' harm to the Amerks is worth seeing Grigs.

I hear they are trading Ellis straight up for Getzlaff.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:38 PM

View Posttom webster, on 06 January 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

I hear they are trading Ellis straight up for Getzlaff.

I heard Perry.  Have to throw in a second rounder though.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:30 AM

Roy confirms Grigorenko will be at camp.  He spoke with Darcy and DR said he wants him there and then see if he makes the team.

http://www.lapresse....-des-sabres.php

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:00 PM

If he plays 9 games will it still count against his 1st year of his ELC?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:05 PM

View PostMILLERTIME in 319 (Millerfan1), on 07 January 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

If he plays 9 games will it still count against his 1st year of his ELC?

Unless there's a modification in this CBA, no.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

i saw and contemplated this tweet from the most excellent kris baker (who's now on the payroll, yes?):

Interesting thing about Grigorenko: he's one of few C prospects in memory that I'd have hard time envisioning at wing. Natural middle

https://twitter.com/...368515956752384

Edited by That Aud Smell, 07 January 2013 - 02:50 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:28 AM

TSN saying that it is expected the 10 game rule for juniors will go down to six games. It makes sense I guess. 10 games in a 48 game season is almost a quarter of the season.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:59 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 09 January 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

TSN saying that it is expected the 10 game rule for juniors will go down to six games. It makes sense I guess. 10 games in a 48 game season is almost a quarter of the season.

That and 10/82 is essentially the same as 6/48.  It makes sense to scale just about everything down by the same rate this year... other than the playoffs

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:04 PM

Prohockey talk is saying five games.....

http://prohockeytalk...junior-players/

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:05 PM

View PostDerrico, on 09 January 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

Prohockey talk is saying five games.....

http://prohockeytalk...junior-players/

Same thing.  6 and they're stuck in the NHL or 5 and they can go back to Juniors.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:41 AM

I didn't get through all of Katie Baker's piece on Grantland

http://www.grantland...daniya-all-that

But one of her basic themes: That young European players can get lost in the sauce in the NHL, not because they aren't sufficiently skilled or tough enough or whatever, but because they're just overwhelmed with making the transition to life (alone) in North America.

Who on our roster is going to be looking out for The Grigger?

Edited by That Aud Smell, 11 January 2013 - 09:28 AM.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:55 AM

View PostThat Aud Smell, on 11 January 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

I didn't get through all of Katie Baker's piece on Grantland

http://www.grantland...daniya-all-that

But her basic theme: That young European players can get lost in the sauce in the NHL, not because they aren't sufficiently skilled or tough enough or whatever, but because they're just overwhelmed with making the transition to life (alone) in North America.

Who on our roster is going to be looking out for The Grigger?

May be helped by having Ehrhoff, Sulzer, Sekera, Enroth, Hecht, Leino, and Vanek. That's like a third of the team. Especially Jochen. that could be a big help.