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#1 Chris_in_UT

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:04 PM

http://news.blogs.cn...hool/?hpt=hp_t1

20+ dead, including 10 children. I can't even think straight, I'm so sad. I literally cannot work.

Edited by Spndnchz, 14 December 2012 - 01:17 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:05 PM

Very sad story. Shocking. No words for it.

Per NBC 26 dead, including 18 children. They said numbers will rise.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:09 PM

Connecticut, not New Hampshire.  But anyway, who the hell shoots up an elementary school?  There's a special place in hell for this guy.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:10 PM

View Postshrader, on 14 December 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

Connecticut, not New Hampshire.  But anyway, who the hell shoots up an elementary school?  There's a special place in hell for this guy.

I'm going home and hugging my kids. Right now.

Edited by Chris_in_UT, 14 December 2012 - 01:11 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:14 PM

View PostChris_in_UT, on 14 December 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

I'm going home and hugging my kids. Right now.

And I'm wondering how things are going for my 4th grade teaching future wife.  It is the western side of CT, but this whole thing might as well be in our neck of the woods.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:19 PM

I just don't understand this stuff.  I never do.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:20 PM

According to NBC's Pete Williams a second suspect has been arrested. wow.

Two shooters and not one of these whack jobs could have talked each other out of it? Incredible.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:31 PM

View PostVanek-Man, on 14 December 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

According to NBC's Pete Williams a second suspect has been arrested. wow.

Two shooters and not one of these whack jobs could have talked each other out of it? Incredible.

No, just one shooter with a 9mm and a 22 cal rifle.  Second dude was running away and was detained.  26 dead 18 are kids.

hey anyone out there looking to do this how about u turn the gun on yourself first ahole.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:34 PM

Every parent's worst nightmare realized. This one hits home unlike any others. My prayers go out to all the families touched by this senseless tragedy. God knows what those little ones witnessed in those moments of horror as they were led out of the school and asked to close their eyes.

Good idea, Chris in Utah. We should all hug our children extra tight today.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:35 PM

I was in high school for Columbine and it was very strange in there for the next couple days.  I can't even imagine what it will be like for elementary school kids sorting through all of this next week.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:39 PM

Can they stop interviewing 9 yr olds?  WTF?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:49 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 14 December 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

Can they stop interviewing 9 yr olds?  WTF?

Seriously.  No sensitivity anymore.  It's like naming a rape victim.  Just don't do it.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:02 PM

How are they even allowed to interview the kids?  Shouldn't parental permission be required for that?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:07 PM

Incomprehensible, reprehensible, unconscionable and pure ungodly suck-a-tude

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:07 PM

interviewing the kids is just asinine.  I'm in shock.  Just had 3 or 4 people crouched around my computer watching the press briefing and the live feed for about 30 minutes or so in my office.  I just cannot believe it.  My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of all involved :(

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:10 PM

Why watch?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:11 PM

Gunman shot and killed one of his parents in NJ before going to the school.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:22 PM

In events like these in the past I was able to wrap my mind around a possible motive.  I can't say I've ever agreed with those motives, but my mind can comprehend them.  Today I cannot comprehend any motive to an adult shooting up an entire kindergarten classroom.  It makes no sense at all.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:28 PM

View Postweave, on 14 December 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

In events like these in the past I was able to wrap my mind around a possible motive.  I can't say I've ever agreed with those motives, but my mind can comprehend them.  Today I cannot comprehend any motive to an adult shooting up an entire kindergarten classroom.  It makes no sense at all.

I'm guessing for most, the thought immediately turns to some ridiculous response to the bullying of someone's child.  That idea has to be out the window if it is in fact a kindergarten class.  There is no explanation for this short of pure evil.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:29 PM

View Postweave, on 14 December 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

In events like these in the past I was able to wrap my mind around a possible motive.  I can't say I've ever agreed with those motives, but my mind can comprehend them.  Today I cannot comprehend any motive to an adult shooting up an entire kindergarten classroom.  It makes no sense at all.

Because most likely the individual was clinically "crazy".  When your mind is effed up there is no motive, nor reason, that a traditionally sound mind would find understandable.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:33 PM

View Postshrader, on 14 December 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

I'm guessing for most, the thought immediately turns to some ridiculous response to the bullying of someone's child.  That idea has to be out the window if it is in fact a kindergarten class.  There is no explanation for this short of pure evil.

I am the parent of a child that has been rather badly bullied in the past, and the bullying started back up again last week.  I can totally relate to the feelings of frustration and hopelessness in dealing with the problem.  My first inclination when details began to surface was that a parent of a bullied child must have hit the end of their rope and did something irrational in response.  I suppose it is still possible even though it is a K-garten class here, but it seems rather unlikely, no?  It's freaking kindergarten afterall.



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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:34 PM

View PostSDS, on 14 December 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

Because most likely the individual was clinically "crazy".  When your mind is effed up there is no motive, nor reason, that a traditionally sound mind would find understandable.

And because these things usually end in suicide-by-cop, we (as a society) don't get insights into how to recognize/treat/prevent/etc.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:38 PM

View Postweave, on 14 December 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

I am the parent of a child that has been rather badly bullied in the past, and the bullying started back up again last week.  I can totally relate to the feelings of frustration and hopelessness in dealing with the problem.  My first inclination when details began to surface was that a parent of a bullied child must have hit the end of their rope and did something irrational in response.  I suppose it is still possible even though it is a K-garten class here, but it seems rather unlikely, no?  It's freaking kindergarten afterall.

So it sounds like he killed his father and then went and killed his mother in school.  Clearly, that will lead into all sorts of theories.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:38 PM

View PostSpndnchz, on 14 December 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

Gunman shot and killed one of his parents in NJ before going to the school.

NBC is saying he killed his mother at the school.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:39 PM

View PostVanek-Man, on 14 December 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

NBC is saying he killed his mother at the school.

That was soooo 20 seconds ago.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:42 PM

Shooters mother was the kindergarten teacher.

FWIW, Found his facebook page.  His friend count is going down every second.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:46 PM

Wow.  Things like this will always put trivial things into perspective.  When all is said and done, I'm just grateful I have a healthy, happy son.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:58 PM

No words.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:59 PM

Dude definitely had issues

if that's his twitter...

Why do these people need to take others with them?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:04 PM

View PostSDS, on 14 December 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:



So it sounds like he killed his father and then went and killed his mother in school.  Clearly, that will lead into all sorts of theories.

Cheese and rice.  Shoot your ####ing parents if you must.  Leave the ####ing kids out of it.

So irrational.

Edited by weave, 14 December 2012 - 03:04 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:06 PM

View PostSDS, on 14 December 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:



So it sounds like he killed his father and then went and killed his mother in school.  Clearly, that will lead into all sorts of theories.

I don't think any theories are necessary.  This is classic insanity, nothing less, nothing more.  A sane person doesn't do this.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:15 PM

View PostSDS, on 14 December 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

Because most likely the individual was clinically "crazy".  When your mind is effed up there is no motive, nor reason, that a traditionally sound mind would find understandable.

Thank you.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:27 PM

View Postwjag, on 14 December 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

I don't think any theories are necessary.  This is classic insanity, nothing less, nothing more.  A sane person doesn't do this.

I don't believe that for a second.  Maybe it's just semantics but calling the guy crazy is too easy of a way out.  There are some downright evil people out there who have no moral values whatsoever.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:30 PM

http://t.co/Uy8i4gdE

http://www.buzzfeed....ns-would-stop-s

So awful. No excuses for it. Laws need to be changed.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:39 PM

View Postshrader, on 14 December 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

I don't believe that for a second.  Maybe it's just semantics but calling the guy crazy is too easy of a way out.  There are some downright evil people out there who have no moral values whatsoever.

If you find "evil" to be more satisfying than "crazy" I suppose that is your choice. I'm not necessarily sure how you separate the two.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:46 PM

View PostSDS, on 14 December 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

If you find "evil" to be more satisfying than "crazy" I suppose that is your choice. I'm not necessarily sure how you separate the two.

True, it's just that when you start labeling these people as crazy, you're essentially giving them a free pass for the horrible things they do.  I want to label this guy as exactly what he is, someone the world needed to get rid of a few days earlier.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:52 PM

Heard a report on WBEN that an ex-girlfriend and a male friend are missing.

18 children gunned down! Is this finally enough now? Can we please cut through the crap and do what's right?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:02 PM

As the parents and others with young family members here can attest, a kindergarten classroom is one of the happiest places on earth.  I know it always invigorated me to see my son and his classmates so happy while learning, playing and discovering.  Their whole lives in front of them.  For something like this to happen there, of all places, is just beyond sickening.  Hug your kids a little more and a little longer tonight.  I cannot imagine the deep sorrow and despair that those poor families are enduring.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:03 PM

What a terrible tragedy for the families of the victims who will never get over this, but also the surviving young children at the school whose parents are now left to try and explain to their children what just happened.

My daughter is a freshman at Brockport and was one dorm over from the girl who was killed by her wacko boyfriend in September.  I was really shook up by that.

Now this. :cry:

Edited by LabattBlue, 14 December 2012 - 04:03 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:09 PM

View Postshrader, on 14 December 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

True, it's just that when you start labeling these people as crazy, you're essentially giving them a free pass for the horrible things they do.  I want to label this guy as exactly what he is, someone the world needed to get rid of a few days earlier.

First, the tragedy of this is nearly unbearable. I saw the still photo of little kids being led away by a female officer and I choked up. Horrific.

The thing is, these folks aren't completely crazy - to them, the reason that they do these terrible things is very logical...but only to them.  Their logic is twisted.  Their brains don't work like the rest of us "normal" folks. I just don't know why it seems to be happening with such scary frequency.

God help everyone who has been touched by this - I hope they can find peace.

I'm going home and lock myself in for the weekend.





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