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#5001 Glass Case Of Emotion

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:43 PM

View Postthanes16, on 04 January 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

Whatever happened to the idea of balance of powers?

I thought the Marvelettes did a good job balancing them out.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:05 PM

View Postthanes16, on 04 January 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

Whatever happened to the idea of balance of powers?

Well, those powers were balanced when the Supreme Court decided that states (particularly Arkansas, if I remember correctly) could not impose term limits upon people elected to federal offices, the House of Representatives in particular.  In that case, it was a balance of states' rights against the national Constitution.  The right-leaning Court decided against the states' rights angle.  Probably correctly, too.

The balance doesn't always result in what we want.

View PostLastPommerFan, on 04 January 2013 - 10:43 PM, said:

I thought the Marvelettes did a good job balancing them out.

Nice.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:49 AM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 03 January 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:



That about sums it up.  While other things certainly contribute, the biggies are single member congressional districts with "first past the post" elections.  If only one of those things changes, I doubt any third party could emerge--they both have to change.  For example, proportional representation in and of itself probably does very little for third parties without multimember districts also being established.  A reasonable argument could also be made that the way we finance campaigns contributes heavily to a two-party system--certainly not the cause, but definitely a contributor.  The best way for third parties to influence national politics is to get enough support where one of the major parties co-ops the platform, which actually does happen fairly

Understood. My point wasn't so much about third parties, that's a pipe dream, but about people not being freaking lemmings.  In other words, an electorate made up less of the DeLuca and Matrix types and more of the weaves and yourself.  Voters who would hold elected leaders responsible regardless of party, but that's probably an even bigger pipe dream.  Until then, we get exactly what we deserve out of Washington. ######.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:56 AM

I blame the media in part for the current state of affairs, they are big enablers.   Every issue is now a he said she said issue with both sides being equally represented in the discussion.  While many political issues can be fairly discussed in this manner, many can not.   I'll refrain from specific examples for the sake of the thread but there have been certain issues that one side just needs to be called out on in a professional matter.
More news and less opinion commentators would be great. But this is America and people don't want that, the ratings back this up.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:23 AM

View PostPatty16, on 05 January 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

I blame the media in part for the current state of affairs, they are big enablers.   Every issue is now a he said she said issue with both sides being equally represented in the discussion.  While many political issues can be fairly discussed in this manner, many can not.   I'll refrain from specific examples for the sake of the thread but there have been certain issues that one side just needs to be called out on in a professional matter.
More news and less opinion commentators would be great. But this is America and people don't want that, the ratings back this up.

Right on.

Jon Stewart calling out Paul Begala and Tucker Carlson was a masterpiece.  I don't know if you would consider this a "professional manner," but here goes:

https://www.youtube....h?v=aFQFB5YpDZE



Brilliance begins about 2:45 in.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:42 AM

View PostPatty16, on 05 January 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

I blame the media in part for the current state of affairs, they are big enablers.   Every issue is now a he said she said issue with both sides being equally represented in the discussion.  While many political issues can be fairly discussed in this manner, many can not.   I'll refrain from specific examples for the sake of the thread but there have been certain issues that one side just needs to be called out on in a professional matter.
More news and less opinion commentators would be great. But this is America and people don't want that, the ratings back this up.
I blame it completely, and the media pays my mortgage.  They have to blow everything out of proportion otherwise nobody will watch.  I honestly can't believe what a non-story this "Fiscal Cliff" should have been and people bought it hook, line and sinker.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:56 AM

View PostSwampD, on 04 January 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

Term limits (6-2 and 2-6).  Then they'll have to get real jobs like the rest of us.

One might argue having term limits would just put them more in the pocket of lobbyists (I know, hard to believe), since they'd need to set themselves up for a job after their term.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:12 PM

Well, the presidential election results officially became official on Friday ...

http://politicaltick...cial/?hpt=po_c2

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 08:56 AM

I just want to get the last word in here so chz can officially lock it.

Let's Go Buffalo!

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:25 AM

It's still open.  So, maybe I'll get in the last word before the lock ...




... Word!

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 20 January 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

It's still open.  So, maybe I'll get in the last word before the lock ...




... Word!

Nice. Chz is slipping.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:42 PM

View PostClaude_Verret, on 20 January 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

Nice. Chz is slipping.

She said she was closing guns not politics...

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:45 PM

View Postwjag, on 20 January 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:



She said she was closing guns not politics...

And I beat her to it :P

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

If we get back on topic it will be closed in short order!

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:37 PM

View Postthanes16, on 02 January 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

I'm sick and tired of the party system we have in the United States. Things are becoming more and more chaotic. People are more centered on defending their "party" rather than focusing on what needs to be done to improve things in our country. Politics have simply come down to winning this election and that election, not about what is done during this term and that term. The United States has fallen off a cliff and does not have a parachute.
actually the the blame from the polarity is pretty much just on one side of the aisle(http://voteview.com/blog/?p=726).  The Democratic point on the liberal conservative continuum hasn't changed much in the last 20 years...but on the republican side, every month takes them to a further extreme.  Of course they're not going to be able to govern in this climate...not as long as you need 60 senate votes to prevent a filibuster.  When Scott Brown won in Mass a few year's ago, the Republicans won back their 41-59 "majority!"

Until republicans take back their party from the birthers, fundmentalists, likudniks, obstructionists, climate change denialists, "legitimate rape" judges and paranoid gun nuts, nothing is ever going to change.  The days of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill putting their differences aside to do what's right from the country are over until the the zealots are no longer in charge of the Republican party.

The problem is that Republicans are in such a weak position demographically that the only way they can get win their primaries is to close ranks and become more extreme than the next guy.  Hence, for example,  Romney's absurd lurch to the right in 2012, and John McCain's in 2008.  So it could still get worse before it gets better.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

With the Sabres back on the ice, I guess we all missed this ...

Senator Kerry confirmed as S of S.  Now we won't be able to crap on Hillary anymore, well maybe not ... I hope she doesn't run for President, but I certainly expect an announcement from her at some point.

http://www.cnn.com/i....html?hpt=po_r1

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:47 PM

:w00t:   Who unlocked this gem?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:56 PM

View PostClaude_Verret, on 07 February 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

:w00t:   Who unlocked this gem?

Don't think it was ever locked, well maybe just briefly.

It's the gift that just keeps on giving ... ;)

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:01 PM

Were hoping that once hockey started we'd actually be posting about hockey on a hockey board.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:02 PM

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 07 February 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

Don't think it was ever locked, well maybe just briefly.

It's the gift that just keeps on giving ... ;)

it definitely was at some point.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:12 PM

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 07 February 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

With the Sabres back on the ice, I guess we all missed this ...

Senator Kerry confirmed as S of S.  Now we won't be able to crap on Hillary anymore, well maybe not ... I hope she doesn't run for President, but I certainly expect an announcement from her at some point.

If she runs in 2016, it will only be as a foil to make Julian Castro look good.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 09:03 AM

Hasn't there been a lot of OT stuff going on during hockey season on this board for years?  Thursday / Friday / Awesome threads.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:32 AM

Not sure where to put this ...

Looks like democracy didn't last long in Egypt.

Seems like the Military Coup has started.

This is going to get really ugly, really quickly.

Edited by Sabres Fan In NS, 03 July 2013 - 10:40 AM.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:39 AM

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 03 July 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:

Not sure where to put this ...

Looks like democracy didn't ast long in Egypt.

Seems like the Military Coup has started.

This is going to get really ugly, really quickly.

Maybe it's time for the good old USofA to choose another "winner" in the Middle East.  We do such a good job of it.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:46 AM

Tumbling into a SabreSpace worm hole... Noooooooooooooooooooo...

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:53 AM

View PostMattPie, on 05 January 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

One might argue having term limits would just put them more in the pocket of lobbyists (I know, hard to believe), since they'd need to set themselves up for a job after their term.

I am coming a little late to this discussion, but is an interesting one.  The problem with responsive government is not necessarily about term limits and parties, though they all play a role.  More to the point it is about the courts interpretation that money is an expression of free speech and therefore cannot be regulated in political campaigns.  I don't buy the argument, i think money allows the consolidation of power and coops the ability of outside groups to make meaningful change without super extraordinary efforts.  Until that issue is addressed and it probably would have to be done constitutionally, there is little chance this process will change much.

Technology has affect the rate at which info is presented and controlled and reacted to and a message is manipulated.  Term limits might work, but there will be side effects.  Entrenched staff would have a lot of potential power.

I think the greatest item to make government more responsive is the line item veto which the Supreme Court struck down.  I might not agree with the results all the time, but it would force the Reps to justify publicly their spending priorities enough to show what whether something actually needed to be funded.

P.S. I used to work on Capitol Hill and know the game...  I know, I know it is not a game.  But in reality it one, a high stakes one, but it is a game of strategic politics that can be infuriating to outsiders who don't know the unwritten rules.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:07 AM

Great, Oil solidly above $100. Perfect excuse for every Sunoco owner to run outside and jack the price up a dime as people gas up for the holiday....

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:11 AM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 03 July 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

Great, Oil solidly above $100. Perfect excuse for every Sunoco owner to run outside and jack the price up a dime as people gas up for the holiday....

I knew I filled up on Monday for a reason.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:18 AM

I'm feeling real good about filling up last night.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:24 AM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 03 July 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

Great, Oil solidly above $100. Perfect excuse for every Sunoco owner to run outside and jack the price up a dime as people gas up for the holiday....

They'd have jacked it up for the 4th no matter what.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:18 PM

View Postwaldo, on 03 July 2013 - 12:03 PM, said:


-snip-

He's your president, too.

Edited by SwampD, 03 July 2013 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:30 PM

View PostSwampD, on 03 July 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

He's your president, too.

Not my president ...sorry. he is just to polarizing of a figure and far too corupt for me to say that (for the first time). he and his legacy belong to the people who put him there

Edited by waldo, 03 July 2013 - 12:36 PM.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:35 PM

Maybe I should have started an *All About Egypt Kaos* thread and just left this beaut to fester in the Sabrespace basement.

Edited by Sabres Fan In NS, 03 July 2013 - 12:36 PM.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:39 PM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 03 July 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

Great, Oil solidly above $100. Perfect excuse for every Sunoco owner to run outside and jack the price up a dime as people gas up for the holiday....

You are fun to read hockey wise but you should leave economics alone


Wait till you electric bill and your health insurance goes up by 20-30% lol

Edited by waldo, 03 July 2013 - 12:59 PM.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:48 PM

View Postwaldo, on 03 July 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:



You are fun to read hockey wise but you should leave economics alone



Wait till you electric bill goes up by 20-30%

Huh?

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:05 PM

View Postwaldo, on 03 July 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:



Not my president ...sorry. he is just to polarizing of a figure and far too corupt for me to say that (for the first time). he and his legacy belong to the people who put him there

Corrupt?  He's a friggin Boy Scout compared to every president since Carter.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:11 PM

View Postwaldo, on 03 July 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

Not my president ...sorry. he is just to polarizing of a figure and far too corupt for me to say that (for the first time). he and his legacy belong to the people who put him there
I'm not going to touch this.

Have a happy 4th.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:25 PM

We need the ignore thread feature.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:32 PM

Why did waldo delete his post? Was it because he decided to research the FED a little bit before spouting off about its relationship with the president? Or was it to research its history relative to flooding the market with dollars?

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:36 PM

View PostEleven, on 03 July 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

We need the ignore thread feature.

We need to throw a blanket party in SFiNS's honor.  :P





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