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[Glass Case Of Emotion]

Tepponator, on 20 July 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

Could you fill me in, please?

See any news source, also, an NHL reporter was killed in that theater:

http://mashable.com/...ssica-redfield/

[MattPie]

It's incredibly odd that she just missed the shooting in the Eaton Center in Toronto a month ago, then managed to get caught in this one.

[Spndnchz]

http://news.yahoo.co...-140009462.html

Horror.  Complete horror.

[d4rksabre]

Could we get a separate thread for this Aurora shooting?

[Spndnchz]

Sure

[d4rksabre]

Thanks Chz.

This whole thing is such a mess, and the news coverage is just so poor. They're digging for every little piece of gossip they can find instead of reporting actual news. I don't want to see what Jessica Ghawi's "final tweets" were. That's not news.

Ugh.

[Spndnchz]

d4rksabre, on 20 July 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

Thanks Chz.

This whole thing is such a mess, and the news coverage is just so poor. They're digging for every little piece of gossip they can find instead of reporting actual news. I don't want to see what Jessica Ghawi's "final tweets" were. That's not news.

Ugh.

I actually followed her on twitter.  She was a pretty funny lady.  It's odd how you can feel so close to someone you've never met.

[d4rksabre]

CNN reporter to a victim "When you close your eyes, what's the first thing you see over and over?"

What the ###### kind of question is that?

This isn't news, it's sound byte cultivation.

spndnchz, on 20 July 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I actually followed her on twitter.  She was a pretty funny lady.  It's odd how you can feel so close to someone you've never met.

Agreed. Her experience is quite the story.

[ROC Sabres]

Anything that is released other than a news article/TV broadcast of it is beyond morbid to me.  Having 911 calls and even tweets really disgusts me what these reporters will do for a "story".  I understand the purpose but it's like taking pictures of a car on fire while someone is burning alive on the inside.

[d4rksabre]

ROC Sabres, on 20 July 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

Anything that is released other than a news article/TV broadcast of it is beyond morbid to me.  Having 911 calls and even tweets really disgusts me what these reporters will do for a "story".  I understand the purpose but it's like taking pictures of a car on fire while someone is burning alive on the inside.

Yup. They want to report every little thing they can regardless of whether it's in bad taste.

[gohansrage]

d4rksabre, on 20 July 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Yup. They want to report every little thing they can regardless of whether it's in bad taste.

"Why don't the newscasters cry when they read about people who died? Why can't they be decent enough to put just a tear in their eye?"  - Jack Johnson

My thoughts with the families of the victims.  Sad story.  I was at a packed midnight show last night.  It could have esaily been that theatre. It's a sobering thought.  Just a reminder to always hug your loved ones and tell them you love them. You never know what's going to happen...

[Spndnchz]

This is why I love Duffer so much.  He couldn't hold it back this morning.

[nfreeman]

This MF should be thrown off of the nearest bridge immediately.

[Campy]

A colleague with whom I work very closely is in Littleton, CO.  She called mid-morning and was sobbing hysterically as she told me should would be out of the office this afternoon as her best friend's daughter was there and was shot.  The daughter is in the ICU and the situation is grave.  

Victoria, my colleague, went to the hospital to be with her friend and, in a pretty cool move, said she was going to give blood so that she at least could feel that she was doing something to help.

The theater is just over 10 miles away from Columbine High School.  I had some conference calls with clients in and around Littleton and Aurora earlier today and, suffice it to say, this latest shooting is all too familiar.  It has understandably rocked and shocked them to the core.

[d4rksabre]

nfreeman, on 20 July 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

This MF should be thrown off of the nearest bridge immediately.

I don't know if I could have controlled myself as a responding officer. People like this guy don't deserve rights.

[PASabreFan]

Schopp just gave a rundown of the angles of this story they'd be delving into: violence in movies and video games, small children at the midnight showing of a violent movie and gun control. As it always happens, the media focuses on the side shows. The discussion should center on mental health, IMHO, but that doesn't sound very interesting, does it? Also, does Greg Bauch not know when wisecracks are inappropriate? Jeez.

[shrader]

PASabreFan, on 20 July 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:

Schopp just gave a rundown of the angles of this story they'd be delving into: violence in movies and video games, small children at the midnight showing of a violent movie and gun control. As it always happens, the media focuses on the side shows. The discussion should center on mental health, IMHO, but that doesn't sound very interesting, does it? Also, does Greg Bauch not know when wisecracks are inappropriate? Jeez.

Everyone of those issues tie directly into mental health, but they never seem to pick up on that part.

[sabre snipe]

from his apparent facebook bio... "Hate the world. Planning something soon. The Joker is my ideal.  His philosophy is sound." messed up

[Punch]

sabre snipe, on 20 July 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

from his apparent facebook bio... "Hate the world. Planning something soon. The Joker is my ideal.  His philosophy is sound." messed up

Where did you get this from?

[Spndnchz]

sabre snipe, on 20 July 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

from his apparent facebook bio... "Hate the world. Planning something soon. The Joker is my ideal.  His philosophy is sound." messed up

Not him.As well as the dozen others popping up today.  ######in sickos.

[thanes16]

Early investigations cannot find anything by him on the internet. It's beyond bad for people to try and pose as this guy on facebook, twitter, etc...

[d4rksabre]

thanes16, on 20 July 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

Early investigations cannot find anything by him on the internet. It's beyond bad for people to try and pose as this guy on facebook, twitter, etc...

Yup. You just know the FBI is tracing all this fake stuff back to the creators. If they didn't have a file before, they will now.

[weave]

PA you've got it dead right in my book. What has happened to mental health funding?  We've got social workers making 15 bucks an hour trying to keep those with real stability issues away from the ledge and we have institutions failing to report and follow uo on folks who are slowly becoming a danger to themselves and others.

[d4rksabre]

Coincidence that Dirty Harry is on AMC right now...

[biodork]

A friend of mine thought she'd heard somewhere that the shooter was a neuroscience PhD student (???)... did anyone else hear that?

[Vanek-Man]

biodork, on 20 July 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

A friend of mine thought she'd heard somewhere that the shooter was a neuroscience PhD student (???)... did anyone else hear that?

He was, but he was in the process of withdrawing, but nobody really knows why.

[sizzlemeister]

biodork, on 20 July 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

A friend of mine thought she'd heard somewhere that the shooter was a neuroscience PhD student (???)... did anyone else hear that?

I heard, that, too. But he was dropping out of the curriculum.

Vanek-Man, on 20 July 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

He was, but he was in the process of withdrawing, but nobody really knows why.

He snapped? I know this may sound too "easy", but people can simply snap.

Remember the guy in Canada who stabbed the guy on the bus and started to eat the body? How else do you explain it? We try and rationalize the irrational and, I think,  come up way short every time.

[carpandean]

biodork, on 20 July 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

A friend of mine thought she'd heard somewhere that the shooter was a neuroscience PhD student (???)... did anyone else hear that?

Not sure about the neuroscience part, but he was a PhD student.  However, he was in the process of withdrawing.

[Potato]

biodork, on 20 July 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

A friend of mine thought she'd heard somewhere that the shooter was a neuroscience PhD student (???)... did anyone else hear that?

Yes, he was at CU-Denver.  I know that program well.  Have a good friend who went through that program (I was teaching at CU-Boulder prior to moving to Nashville).

As for the mental health argument, it is impossible to know which of your students are ready to snap and which are not.  If the student isn't seeking help and/or their friends and family don't step in, then I fail to see how we're going to diagnose and weed out all possible mass killers.

[biodork]

Boy you guys are quick (and well-informed).  The whole situation is sad.

[bunomatic]

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Its incredibly sad but everytime it happens everyone acts so shocked like its never happened before. Get used to it. Its part of the human condition. Look at the silly fukcs mugshot. He's smiling. Just like the loon in Norway. A great big smile like he's finally got recognition. I am a somebody. Draw and quarter these lowlifes in the public market and televise it. Now thats a deterrent.

[d4rksabre]

bunomatic, on 20 July 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Its incredibly sad but everytime it happens everyone acts so shocked like its never happened before. Get used to it. Its part of the human condition. Look at the silly fukcs mugshot. He's smiling. Just like the loon in Norway. A great big smile like he's finally got recognition. I am a somebody. Draw and quarter these lowlifes in the public market and televise it. Now thats a deterrent.

You can't deter crazy.

[bunomatic]

d4rksabre, on 20 July 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

You can't deter crazy.

Well ya you have a point there.

[Jeanbe]

My niece works at the University of Colorado Hospital in the Neuro ICU and was on duty at the time.  She said it was the saddest thing she has ever seen with the family and friends of the victims.

[wjag]

It's another sad day in America...  The booby trapping of his apartment was just sick.  He was truly out for mass casualties.

[deluca67]

There is just no justifiable reason for any American citizen to own or be in possession of an automatic weapon. The President should out law them immediately through Executive Order declaring them a threat to national security. And please, don't give me the that meaningless "Rights to Bare Arms" ######. If the founding fathers would have had any idea what the single shot musket would evolve into they never would have included it.

[thanes16]

weave, on 20 July 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

PA you've got it dead right in my book. What has happened to mental health funding?  We've got social workers making 15 bucks an hour trying to keep those with real stability issues away from the ledge and we have institutions failing to report and follow uo on folks who are slowly becoming a danger to themselves and others.

I agree w/ you to a certain extent. Social workers are underpaid and are rarely given the appreciation they deserve. People fail to consider the sacrifices social workers are making. The pay is low and the job can be very stressful. This happens w/ other professions as well. Examples include teachers, police officers, EMT's, etc...
However, hate to put it this way, but even if more time and money were directed towards the finding/treatment of individuals w/ some type of mental illness, sick things like this will continue to happen.
Let me stress more money should still be given to people in the professions I mentioned. All in all, it would benefit society as a whole. You'd have higher quality this, that and the other. That is my opinion.

[SwampD]

DeLuca67, on 21 July 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

There is just no justifiable reason for any American citizen to own or be in possession of an automatic weapon. The President should out law them immediately through Executive Order declaring them a threat to national security. And please, don't give me the that meaningless "Rights to Bare Arms" ######. If the founding fathers would have had any idea what the single shot musket would evolve into they never would have included it.

No.  The first thing an oppressive government does is remove the guns when they take over.  I'll take my chances with the random nutjob.

[deluca67]

SwampD, on 21 July 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

No.  The first thing an oppressive government does is remove the guns when they take over.  I'll take my chances with the random nutjob.

Not all guns are automatic. The idea that removing automatic weapons is a type of repression is ridiculous. Automatic weapons serve only one purpose, killing a great deal of people efficiently in a a short period of time.

[wjag]

thanes16, on 21 July 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

I agree w/ you to a certain extent. Social workers are underpaid and are rarely given the appreciation they deserve. People fail to consider the sacrifices social workers are making. The pay is low and the job can be very stressful. This happens w/ other professions as well. Examples include teachers, police officers, EMT's, etc...
However, hate to put it this way, but even if more time and money were directed towards the finding/treatment of individuals w/ some type of mental illness, sick things like this will continue to happen.
Let me stress more money should still be given to people in the professions I mentioned. All in all, it would benefit society as a whole. You'd have higher quality this, that and the other. That is my opinion.

I blame it on Hollywood and video games.  As a society we gladly portray scenes of guys using automatic weapons to mow down crowds of people.  Isn't it just a bit ironic that Warner Bros had to remove a movie trailer from Batman that showed a bunch of tommy gun  thugs opening fire on a crowd?  Games like Battlefield 3 give you unlimited ammunition to kill people.  Then we all act stunned when some person with mental health issues opens fire on a school.  Our children are exposed to an endless amount of violence on TV.  We glamorize violence in one form of media and shreak in horror when it gets carried out for real on another form of media.  I'm with Deluca and the Mayor of NY, get rid of the guns.  My son asks me seemingly everyday for an air soft gun.  He's 10.  My answer is the same, no.  When he asks why, I give the same answer.  Because I don't like them and they're dangerous.  You're too young to handle responsibly.  This guy legally purchased his assault weapons and then unleashed horror on a theatre filled with women and children.  And if I may, what the heck were infants and kids doing at a midnight showing of Batman?  I guess we have a need to instill violence in our young at the earliest possible age.

As a parent in this day and age, it is extremely difficult to limit exposure to violence.  It is everywhere and it is glamorized.