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[Arcsabresfan41]

Until I see this team consistently show a desire to win as strong as Miller's, I'd rather keep him around, as he is one of few who truly showed emotion after games, especially losses.

Oh, and I think his goaltending is as good as we can get with our trade/organizational assets...  

[d4rksabre]

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Good and bad years.............. he's had one good year.

Come off it, he's better than you're giving him credit for.

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Did the Kings have the lineup during the regular season that the Sabres did had they stayed healthy? Yes, Quick may have carried them to a playoff birth, but the way the entire lineup played I think they would have won regardless. Yes, I agree, they made the playoffs because of Quick, but I want to see him be more than a one hit wonder. People say Enroth isn't made to play 60 games, that we don't know. But Quick had a standout year. Can he continue to play like that? His style leans towards 'no'. There is no way his style can play up to those standards into his 30's. There is a reason Broduer is as good as he is. He may not be as quick as he once was, but he has the technicalities down. He doesn't have to be as acrobatic as Quick to get the job done. Much like Miller. But Broduer has the mindset to get it done....... Miller, not so sure.

Not a chance. Quick bailed that team out more times that I can count in the playoffs. He outplayed every goalie he faced and his team fed off of it. They leaned on Quick to make the big saves so they could take a lot of chances and dominate like they did.

If Quick was just "above average", then the Kings don't win the Cup.

[87168]

dEnnis the Menace, on 06 July 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Second, Enroth doesn't have better stats and he sure the hell isn't the gamechanger that Miller is, and you are blowing his streakiness WAY out of proportion.  Does he have a game or two when he's cold? yeah, but this past year was the first time I've ever seen him go on a  LONG cold streak, and I think you really can attribute it to him not being ready to come back from the injuries.  He's the only one that has shown up in the playoffs the last two series we've had, and he's the one constant on this team.  I wouldn't want to trade him.

Really?  Could have fooled me.

I love how every talks about Enroth's five hole.  Every netminder has a weakness. Talk about going down to early;  I think Miller is more guilty of that than Enroth.  Personally I don't want to see Miller go anywhere, I like Miller and I like our goalie situation.  But if he did, I have confidence in Enroth.  People seem to forget that Enroth was put in net this season when the ENTIRE franchise was at a low.  They weren't scoring and the morale was obviously down after the Lucic hit.  Enroth did what he could to get a W, but it's pretty hard to do when the guys in front of you aren't getting pucks to the back of the net and allowing odd man rushes mulitple times a period.

[apuszczalowski]

ThirtyEight, on 06 July 2012 - 06:29 AM, said:

So now Roy is gone, can we get a consensus - is Miler the locker room cancer now? Or is Vanek still in contention? Is there a possibility that a dark horse like Gerbe could be the real problem?

Miller seems to face far more break aways and good scoring chances than most teams i watch. I think his stats are misleading. I like the fact he answers questions honestly, it is nice to know that losing pisses him off and i think that he is as hard on himself as he is with the team. As far as i am aware, most of the players defend Miller when his ability is brought into question?

I don't think anyone ever said that Vanek or Gerbe ever had issued with being anywhere close to "Lockerroom Cancers", the worst thing probably said about Vanek (and I have said it multiple times) is that I don't see him being a "leader" on the ice. He doesn't strike me as being the kind of guy who is going to take control of the lockeroom and demand that a player picks up his game. And thats fine, not everyone has that in them, some play better when they are "followers" or keep to themselves. Gerbes problems are that apparently he doesn't meet the hieght requirement to ride the rollercoaster known as the NHL.

I find it funny how apparently Miller is this lockerroom cancer who consistently throw his teammates under the bus after games and enver takes the blame for a bad game, yet his teammates constantly defend him and name him MVP of the team. I like how the OP of this topic throws in opinions of his as "known facts". I also find it funny how for years fans cried for Darcy to get a decent backup here for Miller, and now once they have someone who could be a decent backup, fans are wanting to run Miller out of town to give the backup a chance to start and leave them with the task of finding another backup that they could run Enroth out of town with.

One more thing, the comment from TP about his daughter playing in net was made in reference to both goalies, Miller and Enroth. IIRC, was it not the game where Miller started, was replaced by Enroth, who was then replaced again by Miller?

You should go tell the Leafs, Oilers, Flyers, Lightning, Chicago, San Jose, Washington, etc that you can get by with average gaoltending. All of these teams have all been actively looking to upgrade their goaltenders over the last few years, and the reason that these teams have thought they were not able to be better is because they were being held back by the goalie (ok, Chicago won the cup with an unknown in Niemi who played great in the playoffs, but ever since they have been struggling to find someone better)

[sabres13]

Gerbe a cancer?

Gerbe was anything but that he's a real spark plug.

[TrueBluePhD]

For those who think ThirtyEight was actually suggesting Gerbe is a locker room cancer, I'm selling sarcasm detectors at 30% off this weekend.  They're last year's models, but almost assuredly an upgrade over the ones you're currently using

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Anyone watch Anger Management last night?

If there is ANY truth to the rumors Miller was upset because he wanted to be close to his wife.......we are in deep doo-doo.

The show is very good, and it is a ratings hit......and his wife was making out with Charlie Sheen and is the sex symbol in the show.

She may be worth more than him in 5 years.

[dEnnis the Menace]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 06 July 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

Anyone watch Anger Management last night?

If there is ANY truth to the rumors Miller was upset because he wanted to be close to his wife.......we are in deep doo-doo.

The show is very good, and it is a ratings hit......and his wife was making out with Charlie Sheen and is the sex symbol in the show.

She may be worth more than him in 5 years.

I had forgotten about it.  What channel is it on?

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

dEnnis the Menace, on 06 July 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

I had forgotten about it.  What channel is it on?

FX.....10PM I think.

It has a lot of good B-level sit-com actors and Charlie Sheen is always likable. He was making out with Miller's wife last night. On camera...at least.

[deluca67]

I always end up in the same place when it comes to Miller. This team can do much more with the $12.5 mil of cap space than pay Miller. He's not a $6 mil a year goaltender. IMO, there would be a greater chance of success with Enroth, a veteran backup and a $6 mil forward.

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 06 July 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

FX.....10PM I think.

It has a lot of good B-level sit-com actors and Charlie Sheen is always likable. He was making out with Miller's wife last night. On camera...at least.

The idea of Charlie Sheen just petting my dog grosses me out. I hope Ryan Miller has his shots up to date.

[TheMadCap]

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Did the Kings have the lineup during the regular season that the Sabres did had they stayed healthy? Yes, Quick may have carried them to a playoff birth, but the way the entire lineup played I think they would have won regardless. Yes, I agree, they made the playoffs because of Quick, but I want to see him be more than a one hit wonder. People say Enroth isn't made to play 60 games, that we don't know. But Quick had a standout year. Can he continue to play like that? His style leans towards 'no'. There is no way his style can play up to those standards into his 30's. There is a reason Broduer is as good as he is. He may not be as quick as he once was, but he has the technicalities down. He doesn't have to be as acrobatic as Quick to get the job done. Much like Miller. But Broduer has the mindset to get it done....... Miller, not so sure.

Ummm, yeeeahhh, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there:

I watched many Kings games this past season due to the fact that they are my West Coast team. There is no way that team even makes the playoffs without supreme goaltending. You have to remember that the Kings were one of the most offensively challenged teams for most of the year. They steamrolled though the playoffs, yes, but they did so because they were shutting teams out with defense and goal keeping...

[JJFIVEOH]

OK............. 2 things:

1) I never implied that Miller wasn't outspoken. I love the fact that he is. I wish more pro athletes spoke up when the rest of their team sucks. Although, it does very little to support his attitude when he cannot accept the same in return.

2) I never implied Quick wasn't a key player in the Kings run. If it wasn't for him they never would have made the playoffs. But, the entire lineup stepped it up for the playoffs big time and I think (IMO) they would have won the Cup without Quick. They were that good.

[LGR4GM]

JJFIVEOH, on 06 July 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

OK............. 2 things:

1) I never implied that Miller wasn't outspoken. I love the fact that he is. I wish more pro athletes spoke up when the rest of their team sucks. Although, it does very little to support his attitude when he cannot accept the same in return.

2) I never implied Quick wasn't a key player in the Kings run. If it wasn't for him they never would have made the playoffs. But, the entire lineup stepped it up for the playoffs big time and I think (IMO) they would have won the Cup without Quick. They were that good.

no they wouldn't and no they weren't.  I am stating that as a fact.

as far as the real point of this thread, Miller is better than Luongo IMO, So if Luongo gets traded take a look at that and thats Millers value roughly.  There is no reason to trade Miller.  We have the space to make the blockbuster trade everyone watns without trading miller.  You can only trade Miller if you think Enroth is ready because you can't trade Miller for offense and another quality gt.  Miller stays for at least this season, of that I have little doubt

Edited by LGR4GM, 06 July 2012 - 07:44 PM.

[qwksndmonster]

LGR4GM, on 06 July 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

no they wouldn't and no they weren't.  I am stating that as a fact.

as far as the real point of this thread, Miller is better than Luongo IMO, So if Luongo gets traded take a look at that and thats Millers value roughly.  There is no reason to trade Miller.  We have the space to make the blockbuster trade everyone watns without trading miller.  You can only trade Miller if you think Enroth is ready because you can't trade Miller for offense and another quality gt.  Miller stays for at least this season, of that I have little doubt

VAN wont get a great return for Luongo because of his contract.  Miller would likely fetch more than Luongo.

[drunken idiot]

qwksndmonster, on 06 July 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

VAN wont get a great return for Luongo because of his contract. Miller would likely fetch more than Luongo.

Oh, I don't know about that. Luongo has better career numbers, he has 6 years that are better than Millers 2nd best statistical year, has accomplished more in the playoffs and beat Miller head to head in the Olympics.
Whether or not Miller would fetch more is to be determined by the GMs, but if I had to guess, I would say no he wouldn't fetch more than Luongo.

Edited by Freakpop, 07 July 2012 - 06:17 AM.

[ThirtyEight]

Freakpop, on 07 July 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

Oh, I don't know about that. Luongo has better career numbers, he has 6 years that are better than Millers 2nd best statistical year, has accomplished more in the playoffs and beat Miller head to head in the Olympics.
Whether or not Miller would fetch more is to be determined by the GMs, but if I had to guess, I would say no he wouldn't fetch more than Luongo.

Luongo is also behind a better defence than Miller.
He beat Miller in the Olympics? Really? You are using that against the olympic MVP who posted the best stats in olympic history?
He has accomplished more the playoffs...not much more...but more - he was also the sole reason they did not win the cup

I think Miller would fetch more - he is younger and has a much nicer contract

[Eleven]

ThirtyEight, on 07 July 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Luongo is also behind a better defence than Miller.
He beat Miller in the Olympics? Really? You are using that against the olympic MVP who posted the best stats in olympic history?
He has accomplished more the playoffs...not much more...but more - he was also the sole reason they did not win the cup

I think Miller would fetch more - he is younger and has a much nicer contract

Miller beat Luongo in the Olympics, too.  Lots of people forget that.

Edited by Eleven, 07 July 2012 - 08:25 AM.

[bunomatic]

TheMadCap, on 06 July 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

Ummm, yeeeahhh, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there:

I watched many Kings games this past season due to the fact that they are my West Coast team. There is no way that team even makes the playoffs without supreme goaltending. You have to remember that the Kings were one of the most offensively challenged teams for most of the year. They steamrolled though the playoffs, yes, but they did so because they were shutting teams out with defense and goal keeping...

Quick had what, 10 shutouts last season ? He is the reason they made the playoffs. That being said a shutout is often a team stat. The best way to describe the Kings during their playoff run is to call them a machine. Thats what I witnessed. They were firing on all cylinders not just one.

[d4rksabre]

JJFIVEOH, on 06 July 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

OK............. 2 things:

1) I never implied that Miller wasn't outspoken. I love the fact that he is. I wish more pro athletes spoke up when the rest of their team sucks. Although, it does very little to support his attitude when he cannot accept the same in return.

2) I never implied Quick wasn't a key player in the Kings run. If it wasn't for him they never would have made the playoffs. But, the entire lineup stepped it up for the playoffs big time and I think (IMO) they would have won the Cup without Quick. They were that good.

Not a chance in hell. NJ gave LA a run for their money and if they'd had to play Bernier they would have been done. Bernier is a good young goalie just like Quick, but has never pulled a steady workload and is just not the performer Quick is.

LA would have had to put a lot of faith in Bernier to make the big saves, which he wouldn't have, and they would have gone into lockdown mode. Game over.

[dudacek]

JJFIVEOH, since a lot of your Miller is an average goalie argument is based on his numbers, I suggest you read the extended stats article from WGR on the sabrespace front page.

Also, the article  indirectly provides an emphasis on just how bad our forwards were last year, and just how crucial Myers and Ehrhoff (and by extension Leopold and Sekera) are to Lindy's system.

[deluca67]

dudacek, on 07 July 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

JJFIVEOH, since a lot of your Miller is an average goalie argument is based on his numbers, I suggest you read the extended stats article from WGR on the sabrespace front page.

Also, the article  indirectly provides an emphasis on just how bad our forwards were last year, and just how crucial Myers and Ehrhoff (and by extension Leopold and Sekera) are to Lindy's system.

Advanced stats don't explain the soft goals and the mental mistakes. Advanced stats also don't take into account that Miller is paid as an elite goalie. he should be a difference maker. He should give the Sabres a big advantage in goal most nights. It rarely seems to turn out that way.

[dudacek]

Didn't t read it, eh?

[deluca67]

dudacek, on 07 July 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

Didn't t read it, eh?

I did.

[dudacek]

Well then, advanced stats say he has been an elite goaltender, top five or six, I believe.
Like every goalie, there have been soft goals and mental mistakes. For Miller, most happened in the first half of last year.
In the second half, the western road trip in particular, he did give us a significant advantage.
Nobody can argue he played like an elite goalie in November, December and January of last year.
That's probably the only extended stretch of subpar play for him in the past five or six years.

[deluca67]

dudacek, on 07 July 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Well then, advanced stats say he has been an elite goaltender, top five or six, I believe.
Like every goalie, there have been soft goals and mental mistakes. For Miller, most happened in the first half of last year.
In the second half, the western road trip in particular, he did give us a significant advantage.
Nobody can argue he played like an elite goalie in November, December and January of last year.
That's probably the only extended stretch of subpar play for him in the past five or six years.

If Advanced Stats says Miller has been an elite goalie I will give Advanced Stats the same respect and amount of credibility that I gave the one formula that stated Drew Stafford was a better winger than Vanek and one of the best wingers in the league. I'm sure there is someone out there right now working on a formula of statistics that will prove Gerbe was the actual NHL MVP last season, it will be called Midgetnomics .

[d4rksabre]

DeLuca67, on 07 July 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

If Advanced Stats says Miller has been an elite goalie I will give Advanced Stats the same respect and amount of credibility that I gave the one formula that stated Drew Stafford was a better winger than Vanek and one of the best wingers in the league. I'm sure there is someone out there right now working on a formula of statistics that will prove Gerbe was the actual NHL MVP last season, it will be called Midgetnomics .

Yes, yes, you're right, everyone else is wrong. Got it.

[deluca67]

d4rksabre, on 07 July 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

Yes, yes, you're right, everyone else is wrong. Got it.

Do you think Stafford is better than Vanek and is one of the best wingers in the NHL? Do you think Miller is an elite goalie? Or, were you referring to my opinions on Connolly, Kovy, Boyes, Montador and Leino?

Edited by DeLuca67, 07 July 2012 - 07:38 PM.

[TrueBluePhD]

DeLuca67, on 07 July 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

If Advanced Stats says Miller has been an elite goalie I will give Advanced Stats the same respect and amount of credibility that I gave the one formula that stated Drew Stafford was a better winger than Vanek and one of the best wingers in the league. I'm sure there is someone out there right now working on a formula of statistics that will prove Gerbe was the actual NHL MVP last season, it will be called Midgetnomics .

I'm assuming you're referring to the Corsi, since Stafford's Corsi is significantly better than Vanek's.  But if the conclusion you draw from that is it says Stafford is a better winger, you don't have a very good grasp of what it is.

[d4rksabre]

DeLuca67, on 07 July 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Do you think Stafford is better than Vanek and is one of the best wingers in the NHL? Do you think Miller is an elite goalie? Or, were you referring to my opinions on Connolly, Kovy, Boyes, Montador and Leino?

I defer to Blue.

Also, Miller is an elite goalie.

[deluca67]

TrueBluePhD, on 07 July 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

I'm assuming you're referring to the Corsi, since Stafford's Corsi is significantly better than Vanek's.  But if the conclusion you draw from that is it says Stafford is a better winger, you don't have a very good grasp of what it is.

I'm referring to the article that was posted that rated Stafford above Vanek based on some system. I'm not sure if it was the same system.

[drunken idiot]

ThirtyEight, on 07 July 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Luongo is also behind a better defence than Miller.
He beat Miller in the Olympics? Really? You are using that against the olympic MVP who posted the best stats in olympic history?
He has accomplished more the playoffs...not much more...but more - he was also the sole reason they did not win the cup

I think Miller would fetch more - he is younger and has a much nicer contract

Debatable who has the better defense in front of him, and without a doubt Miller's defense was light years better than the Florida defense Luongo spent 5 years behind and still managed to put up equal to better numbers than Miller did.

To blame the sole reason why Vancouver didn't win the cup on Luongo is just stupid, it's a team game. Luongo had 2 shutouts just as Miller had 2 shutouts against the Flyers. Each goalie gave up 20 goals in the other 5 games in their series yet Luongo is looked at as a choker or the "sole reason they did not win the cup" while Miller is hailed as a hero for keeping the sabres in the series.
Which is it? They either both choked or both kept their teams alive. I do believe that year Boston was a machine and a tougher opponent than were the Flyers FWIW.

[fan2456]

sabres13, on 05 July 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

My only complant about miller is he has major crazy eyes during interviews. Lol

  I would too if I was talking to journalists, and like him, was much more knowledgable than them about what I do for a living.  Can't blame him at all.  The interviewer actually thinks he knows something about his(Miller's) profession and what goes on in the locker room.  It would be comical, if it wasn't so absurd. Yes, he could surgar coat it a little.

Edited by fan2456, 08 July 2012 - 04:50 PM.

[JJFIVEOH]

d4rksabre, on 06 July 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

Come off it, he's better than you're giving him credit for.

I don't think he's that bad, I just don't think he's that great.

apuszczalowski, on 06 July 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

I don't think anyone ever said that Vanek or Gerbe ever had issued with being anywhere close to "Lockerroom Cancers", the worst thing probably said about Vanek (and I have said it multiple times) is that I don't see him being a "leader" on the ice. He doesn't strike me as being the kind of guy who is going to take control of the lockeroom and demand that a player picks up his game. And thats fine, not everyone has that in them, some play better when they are "followers" or keep to themselves. Gerbes problems are that apparently he doesn't meet the hieght requirement to ride the rollercoaster known as the NHL.

Doesn't seem to have any real impact on GIonta and St. Louis.

apuszczalowski, on 06 July 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

I find it funny how apparently Miller is this lockerroom cancer who consistently throw his teammates under the bus after games and enver takes the blame for a bad game, yet his teammates constantly defend him and name him MVP of the team. I like how the OP of this topic throws in opinions of his as "known facts". I also find it funny how for years fans cried for Darcy to get a decent backup here for Miller, and now once they have someone who could be a decent backup, fans are wanting to run Miller out of town to give the backup a chance to start and leave them with the task of finding another backup that they could run Enroth out of town with.

What kind of facts do you want? Will post game interviews count because you can listen to the majority of them and get the facts there. If you think I should be providing actual in-depth coverage from within the locker room...... sorry I can't do that. And I did mention that we don't know what goes on in the locker room. I don't want to run him out of town because I think he sucks. I want to use him as trade bait because he could bring in a big name forward.

apuszczalowski, on 06 July 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

One more thing, the comment from TP about his daughter playing in net was made in reference to both goalies, Miller and Enroth. IIRC, was it not the game where Miller started, was replaced by Enroth, who was then replaced again by Miller?

You should go tell the Leafs, Oilers, Flyers, Lightning, Chicago, San Jose, Washington, etc that you can get by with average gaoltending. All of these teams have all been actively looking to upgrade their goaltenders over the last few years, and the reason that these teams have thought they were not able to be better is because they were being held back by the goalie (ok, Chicago won the cup with an unknown in Niemi who played great in the playoffs, but ever since they have been struggling to find someone better)

Anaheim won with an average goaltender, Chicago won with an average goaltender, Pittsburgh and Detroit both won with average goaltenders. In fact if you take all of the finalists since the lockout, the majority of those teams got there with average goaltenders.

dudacek, on 07 July 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

JJFIVEOH, since a lot of your Miller is an average goalie argument is based on his numbers, I suggest you read the extended stats article from WGR on the sabrespace front page.

Also, the article  indirectly provides an emphasis on just how bad our forwards were last year, and just how crucial Myers and Ehrhoff (and by extension Leopold and Sekera) are to Lindy's system.

I base it on the fact that when Miller gets into a funk, he stays there for long periods at a time. Then the fans or the team will find some way to place the blame elsewhere. Or........ they'll play Enroth while the team is injured and the Miller fans will say how much Enroth sucks and he can't handle a 60 game schedule.

DeLuca67, on 07 July 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Advanced stats don't explain the soft goals and the mental mistakes. Advanced stats also don't take into account that Miller is paid as an elite goalie. he should be a difference maker. He should give the Sabres a big advantage in goal most nights. It rarely seems to turn out that way.

Thank you.

[qwksndmonster]

Freakpop, on 07 July 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

To blame the sole reason why Vancouver didn't win the cup on Luongo is just stupid, it's a team game. Luongo had 2 shutouts just as Miller had 2 shutouts against the Flyers. Each goalie gave up 20 goals in the other 5 games in their series yet Luongo is looked at as a choker or the "sole reason they did not win the cup" while Miller is hailed as a hero for keeping the sabres in the series.
Which is it? They either both choked or both kept their teams alive. I do believe that year Boston was a machine and a tougher opponent than were the Flyers FWIW.

Dude.  Did you watch either of those series?

[VanBoxmeer]

Arcsabresfan41, on 06 July 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Until I see this team consistently show a desire to win as strong as Miller's, I'd rather keep him around, as he is one of few who truly showed emotion after games, especially losses.

Oh, and I think his goaltending is as good as we can get with our trade/organizational assets...  

What this guy said

[RazielSabre]

1) I hate threads like this. I wish I had the willpower to completely avoid them.
2) Miller is a proven no.1 goalie on a contract that limits him trade wise.
3) Enroth is not a no.1 goalie and I doubt he ever will be. Maybe the next Biron, thats his ceiling imho. Yes I've seen him play.
4) Miller has proven that he can be a game changer. As we've seen in the past you can make it through the playoffs with a great team and an above average goalie as long as that goalie can make that critical save when it matters. That is what separates the Kiprusoffs, Millers and Wards of this world from the Nabakovs and Luongos.
5) Miller is brutally honest and tells it like it is, I respect that. He also seems to hate the media, so I like him for that alone.

[apuszczalowski]

Freakpop, on 07 July 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

Oh, I don't know about that. Luongo has better career numbers, he has 6 years that are better than Millers 2nd best statistical year, has accomplished more in the playoffs and beat Miller head to head in the Olympics.
Whether or not Miller would fetch more is to be determined by the GMs, but if I had to guess, I would say no he wouldn't fetch more than Luongo.

Has he? Luongo was in 1 Stanley Cup Finals, Miller was a McKee Staff infection and a delay of game penalty away from being in one (neither have a SC ring). Otherwise, Luongo has played in 14 more playoff games in his career. Both have similar winning percentages in the playoffs (32-29 for Lou, 25-22 for Miller), Luongo has a Save% of .916 while Millers is .917, Luongo has a gaa of 2.53 to Millers 2.46. Luongo has 5 career playoff shutouts in 61 games to Millers 3 in 47 games

So basically, the only accomplishment that he really has better then Miller is that he has been to and lost in the SC finals.

If you are going to given credit to a player for beating Miller in the Gold medal game, that credit goes to Crosby, not Luongo. Luongo may have walked away with a gold medal (Heck, Marc Andre Fluery walked away with one of those too and he wasn't even dressed for the final game), but Miller walked away with the tournament MVP

[d4rksabre]

apuszczalowski, on 09 July 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

Has he? Luongo was in 1 Stanley Cup Finals, Miller was a McKee Staff infection and a delay of game penalty away from being in one (neither have a SC ring). Otherwise, Luongo has played in 14 more playoff games in his career. Both have similar winning percentages in the playoffs (32-29 for Lou, 25-22 for Miller), Luongo has a Save% of .916 while Millers is .917, Luongo has a gaa of 2.53 to Millers 2.46. Luongo has 5 career playoff shutouts in 61 games to Millers 3 in 47 games

So basically, the only accomplishment that he really has better then Miller is that he has been to and lost in the SC finals.

If you are going to given credit to a player for beating Miller in the Gold medal game, that credit goes to Crosby, not Luongo. Luongo may have walked away with a gold medal (Heck, Marc Andre Fluery walked away with one of those too and he wasn't even dressed for the final game), but Miller walked away with the tournament MVP

Thank you!

[dEnnis the Menace]

apuszczalowski, on 09 July 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

Has he? Luongo was in 1 Stanley Cup Finals, Miller was a McKee Staff infection and a delay of game penalty away from being in one (neither have a SC ring). Otherwise, Luongo has played in 14 more playoff games in his career. Both have similar winning percentages in the playoffs (32-29 for Lou, 25-22 for Miller), Luongo has a Save% of .916 while Millers is .917, Luongo has a gaa of 2.53 to Millers 2.46. Luongo has 5 career playoff shutouts in 61 games to Millers 3 in 47 games

So basically, the only accomplishment that he really has better then Miller is that he has been to and lost in the SC finals.

If you are going to given credit to a player for beating Miller in the Gold medal game, that credit goes to Crosby, not Luongo. Luongo may have walked away with a gold medal (Heck, Marc Andre Fluery walked away with one of those too and he wasn't even dressed for the final game), but Miller walked away with the tournament MVP

great post.  well said!

[apuszczalowski]

JJFIVEOH, on 08 July 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

Doesn't seem to have any real impact on GIonta and St. Louis.

Thats my point, the biggest problem people seem to have with Gerbe (and even Ennis sometimes) is that they are too small to play in the NHL. Some are ready to write Gerbe off right now after finishing his 1st full season on an NHL roster

JJFIVEOH, on 08 July 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

What kind of facts do you want? Will post game interviews count because you can listen to the majority of them and get the facts there. If you think I should be providing actual in-depth coverage from within the locker room...... sorry I can't do that. And I did mention that we don't know what goes on in the locker room. I don't want to run him out of town because I think he sucks. I want to use him as trade bait because he could bring in a big name forward.

Anytype of actual facts showing how he is a lockerroom cancer would be nice, not just your opinion (that theres some conspiracy that the team is afraid of upsetting him) considering there are facts that prove otherwise, like his teammates voting him team MVP multiple times and no one ever coming out to say that he is a problem (Never heard a former teammate say anything bad about him either)

JJFIVEOH, on 08 July 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

Anaheim won with an average goaltender, Chicago won with an average goaltender, Pittsburgh and Detroit both won with average goaltenders. In fact if you take all of the finalists since the lockout, the majority of those teams got there with average goaltenders.

Of course, those teams didn't win because of the goaltending. Having guys like Crosby/Malkin, Pronger/Niedermeyer/Selanne/Getzlaf, Kane/Toews/Sharp/Hossa, or Lidstrom/Chelios/Datsyuk/Draper/Zetterberg doesn't hurt when your goaltending is average (although its a tough call to say Osgood being backed up by Hasek is "Average goaltending", Osgood may not have been Elite, but I would call him better then just average)