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[thanes16]

JJFIVEOH, on 10 July 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

Miller had the benefit of a healthy lineup and a surging team. It took that incredible run he made JUST to get up to Enroth's save % and still end up with another average year.

Enroth was a game changer when he had a healthy lineup in front of him too............. remember the playoff run two years ago?

That is a "what if" argument. Remember the "run" MAG went on in the Flyers series? And what is he doing now? Looking for a job. The guy had 18 points in 73 games.

[TrueBluePhD]

Sabres Fan In NS, on 10 July 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

Beware when you feed the _ _ _ _ _ _.  They will bite the hand that feeds them everytime.

Sometimes I can't help myself

[K-9]

JJFIVEOH, on 10 July 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

If you say so. I can't wait for the 'I told you so.....................'.

Quick question, with all the guidelines, rules, medical clearances, extensive tests.................. how could Miller have come back too early from a concussion? How could he have had a concussion from taking a shot to the head and be right back out there playing? Can't anybody connect the dots and see that he uses that as an excuse until he starts playing well? We have Enroth who finished with better numbers than Miller, why was Miller starting when he wasn't up to par? Funny, these 'post concussion' issues never seem to pop up until after the fact; but the doctors let him play?

Have you ever played sports at a high level, suffered an injury, and come back to play? Have you ever suffered two concussions in one calendar year? There is a difference between being cleared to play and returning to form. It's like that for every athlete faced with a rehabilitative process. Miller is no different. Same thing happened to him a couple seasons ago when he came back from his knee injury. He was cleared to play but it took him a while before he was back to form. That was readily apparent to even the most casual fan.

GO SABRES!!!

[d4rksabre]

I was going to chime in, but you guys pretty much covered everything. Nice work.

[K-9]

d4rksabre, on 10 July 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

I was going to chime in, but you guys pretty much covered everything. Nice work.

I made the mistake of chiming in before I caught up to the rest of the thread. I'm sorry I did. I don't like getting in the middle of crusades. Looks like we have a regular Templar Knight on the subject of how bad Miller is.

GO SABRES!!!

[MattPie]

LastPommerFan, on 09 July 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

By choosing to get Steamrolled by a d-bag bruin winger, he singlehandedly derailed the entire 11-12 season.]

He threw a check against Lucic on that play, didn't you see that? #BostonHomer

[dEnnis the Menace]

MattPie, on 10 July 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

He threw a check against Lucic on that play, didn't you see that? #BostonHomer

No, he dangerously swung his stick with the intent to injure after a nice clean open ice hit on...wait...



I just can't bring myself to finish that...

JJFIVEOH, on 10 July 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

Miller had the benefit of a healthy lineup and a surging team. It took that incredible run he made JUST to get up to Enroth's save % and still end up with another average year.

Enroth was a game changer when he had a healthy lineup in front of him too............. remember the playoff run two years ago?

I do remember the playoff run, well.  He played out of his mind, in a contract situation, with a healthy lineup, against teams that had no scouting on him on where his weaknesses are.

And it's pretty amazing that Miller was able to salvage a save percentage back to that level, don't you think? the fact that he was able to do so, is the reason I want him around.  How many 35+ shot nights can Enroth keep us in the game? Miller did it regularly after he was back to form.

And after November, Once Miller came back, both goalies played with the same team in front of them.  Enroth still couldn't pull out a win to save his life.

[shrader]

dEnnis the Menace, on 10 July 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

No, he dangerously swung his stick with the intent to injure after a nice clean open ice hit on...wait...

The obvious follow through on the hit by Lucic?  That was just him trying to reach out and grab Miller, preventing him from falling.  He was looking out for him!

[drunken idiot]

dEnnis the Menace, on 10 July 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

No, he dangerously swung his stick with the intent to injure after a nice clean open ice hit on...wait...



I just can't bring myself to finish that...



I do remember the playoff run, well.  He played out of his mind, in a contract situation, with a healthy lineup, against teams that had no scouting on him on where his weaknesses are.

And it's pretty amazing that Miller was able to salvage a save percentage back to that level, don't you think? the fact that he was able to do so, is the reason I want him around.  How many 35+ shot nights can Enroth keep us in the game? Miller did it regularly after he was back to form.

And after November, Once Miller came back, both goalies played with the same team in front of them.  Enroth still couldn't pull out a win to save his life.

Enroth losing streak began on 11/29 vs the NYI. He played in 12 games, only 9 of them were full games. 8 of those 9 he faced 30 or more shots and 6 of those 9 were 35 or more shots. Also, in those 12 games the Sabres scored a whopping total of 20 goals. Hard for any goaltender to win when that happens. Oh and he didn't exactly face the doormats of the league either, Det 2x, Bos 2x, NYI 2x, Phi, Chi, Pitt, NYR, Ott, and Winnipeg. Gee, didn't steal any games? or couldn't pull a win out? Can't imagine why!

[JJFIVEOH]

thanes16, on 10 July 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

That is a "what if" argument. Remember the "run" MAG went on in the Flyers series? And what is he doing now? Looking for a job. The guy had 18 points in 73 games.

But there's one really big difference that pretty much negates your point. Enroth backed up his kick ass rookie year that got us to the playoffs with an even better year statistically. Nothing much he can do about his W-L record last year when the rest of the team sucks around him.

K-9, on 10 July 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

Have you ever played sports at a high level, suffered an injury, and come back to play? Have you ever suffered two concussions in one calendar year? There is a difference between being cleared to play and returning to form. It's like that for every athlete faced with a rehabilitative process. Miller is no different. Same thing happened to him a couple seasons ago when he came back from his knee injury. He was cleared to play but it took him a while before he was back to form. That was readily apparent to even the most casual fan.

GO SABRES!!!

Well then maybe he shouldn't have been playing.

dEnnis the Menace, on 10 July 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

I do remember the playoff run, well.  He played out of his mind, in a contract situation, with a healthy lineup, against teams that had no scouting on him on where his weaknesses are.

And it's pretty amazing that Miller was able to salvage a save percentage back to that level, don't you think? the fact that he was able to do so, is the reason I want him around.  How many 35+ shot nights can Enroth keep us in the game? Miller did it regularly after he was back to form.

And after November, Once Miller came back, both goalies played with the same team in front of them.  Enroth still couldn't pull out a win to save his life.

Enroth played out of his mind and in a contract year (so I'm guessing you are immplying he purposely played better to make money?) So what does it mean when he put up even better stats AFTER he got his contract and AFTER other teams had him figured out. And once Miller came back the team scored a total of 12 goals in 8 games for Enroth and he wasn't playing with a healthy team in front of him. Miller just happened to get better when the team got healthy. How many game did Enroth play from February on after the team broke out of their funk?

Freakpop, on 10 July 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Enroth losing streak began on 11/29 vs the NYI. He played in 12 games, only 9 of them were full games. 8 of those 9 he faced 30 or more shots and 6 of those 9 were 35 or more shots. Also, in those 12 games the Sabres scored a whopping total of 20 goals. Hard for any goaltender to win when that happens. Oh and he didn't exactly face the doormats of the league either, Det 2x, Bos 2x, NYI 2x, Phi, Chi, Pitt, NYR, Ott, and Winnipeg. Gee, didn't steal any games? or couldn't pull a win out? Can't imagine why!

Excellent points.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

Freakpop, on 10 July 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Enroth losing streak began on 11/29 vs the NYI. He played in 12 games, only 9 of them were full games. 8 of those 9 he faced 30 or more shots and 6 of those 9 were 35 or more shots. Also, in those 12 games the Sabres scored a whopping total of 20 goals. Hard for any goaltender to win when that happens. Oh and he didn't exactly face the doormats of the league either, Det 2x, Bos 2x, NYI 2x, Phi, Chi, Pitt, NYR, Ott, and Winnipeg. Gee, didn't steal any games? or couldn't pull a win out? Can't imagine why!

JJFIVEOH, on 10 July 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Excellent points.

Look at Miller's splits, his terrible streak was timed with the same horrible play/Massive injury attrition that you're forgiving Enroth for. Outside of that, he was lights out.

[dEnnis the Menace]

LastPommerFan, on 11 July 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

Look at Miller's splits, his terrible streak was timed with the same horrible play/Massive injury attrition that you're forgiving Enroth for. Outside of that, he was lights out.

exactly.  is there a double standard?

Look at Miller's steals! So Enroth can come up short against the big guns, and you still want him to replace Miller? I want a goalie that steals games from those teams!!  The team didn't help Miller much on the west coast, or against a lot of teams, but he still managed to steal a bunch of wins. I like Miller as our top option right now.  I'd be open to trade him if an option of equal quality or better was available (especially with a better contract), but the truth is, Enroth is NOT better than him, nor do I see him being better than him.  So for right now, I think that Miller's our best option, and gives us the best chance at winning games.  I also see him having a better year than last.  And I also think that if Ruff gives Enroth 22-25 games again this year, and if he can win at least half of them, we'll be in good shape.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

dEnnis the Menace, on 11 July 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

exactly.  is there a double standard?

Look at Miller's steals! So Enroth can come up short against the big guns, and you still want him to replace Miller? I want a goalie that steals games from those teams!!  The team didn't help Miller much on the west coast, or against a lot of teams, but he still managed to steal a bunch of wins. I like Miller as our top option right now.  I'd be open to trade him if an option of equal quality or better was available (especially with a better contract), but the truth is, Enroth is NOT better than him, nor do I see him being better than him.  So for right now, I think that Miller's our best option, and gives us the best chance at winning games.  I also see him having a better year than last.  And I also think that if Ruff gives Enroth 22-25 games again this year, and if he can win at least half of them, we'll be in good shape.

Now you're just being crazy.

[dEnnis the Menace]

LastPommerFan, on 11 July 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

Now you're just being crazy.

haha...yeah I've been told that a few times this week.  I'm just drinking a little kool-aid  

[RazielSabre]

OH FOR ###### SAKE WHY DOES THIS ###### ARGUEMENT COME UP EVERY OFFSEASON?!

Seriously, Miller is an above average goalietender who can play elite and has proven to keep us in more games than he losses us. Enroth is a young, inexperienced backup who should NOT be thrust into the starting job because his 'cheap'. I think Miller starting and Enroth as backup is a powerful combination, most hockey critics agree it's our best bet.

The biggest problem is that almost every Sabres fan thinks unless a goalie is a good as Hasek their crap, GET SOME PERSPECTIVE. I don't know why I bother and yes I'm infuriated hence the capitals.

[TrueBluePhD]

RazielSabre, on 11 July 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

The biggest problem is that almost every Sabres fan thinks unless a goalie is a good as Hasek their crap, GET SOME PERSPECTIVE. I don't know why I bother and yes I'm infuriated hence the capitals.

I honestly think that's what the problem with Miller is:  he simply came along too close to Hasek (and to a much lesser extent Biron--not great, but a respectable starter).  If the Sabres had gone through a stretch like say the Leafs recently, I don't think Miller would get nearly the flack he does.

[dEnnis the Menace]

RazielSabre, on 11 July 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

OH FOR ###### SAKE WHY DOES THIS ###### ARGUEMENT COME UP EVERY OFFSEASON?!

Seriously, Miller is an above average goalietender who can play elite and has proven to keep us in more games than he losses us. Enroth is a young, inexperienced backup who should NOT be thrust into the starting job because his 'cheap'. I think Miller starting and Enroth as backup is a powerful combination, most hockey critics agree it's our best bet.

The biggest problem is that almost every Sabres fan thinks unless a goalie is a good as Hasek their crap, GET SOME PERSPECTIVE. I don't know why I bother and yes I'm infuriated hence the capitals.

I always complain about this argument...but I always engage in said argument   

the last point you make though seems to be very true around Sabreland

[drunken idiot]

dEnnis the Menace, on 11 July 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

exactly.  is there a double standard?

Look at Miller's steals! So Enroth can come up short against the big guns, and you still want him to replace Miller? I want a goalie that steals games from those teams!!  The team didn't help Miller much on the west coast, or against a lot of teams, but he still managed to steal a bunch of wins. I like Miller as our top option right now.  I'd be open to trade him if an option of equal quality or better was available (especially with a better contract), but the truth is, Enroth is NOT better than him, nor do I see him being better than him.  So for right now, I think that Miller's our best option, and gives us the best chance at winning games.  I also see him having a better year than last.  And I also think that if Ruff gives Enroth 22-25 games again this year, and if he can win at least half of them, we'll be in good shape.

Name a goalie anywhere who would have been successful over that 12 game stretch where his team only scored 20 goals? If you really think Miller would have had more success than Enroth did during that stretch you are delusional, unrealistic and just an Enroth hater with no substance.

Edited by Freakpop, 11 July 2012 - 08:33 AM.

[RazielSabre]

dEnnis the Menace, on 11 July 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

I always complain about this argument...but I always engage in said argument   

the last point you make though seems to be very true around Sabreland

I try and ignore the Miller fights around here but I cant help it normally.

[Arcsabresfan41]

Freakpop, on 11 July 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Name a goalie anywhere who would have been successful over that 12 game stretch where his team only scored 20 goals? If you really think Miller would have had more success than Enroth did during that stretch you are delusional, unrealistic and just an Enroth hater with no substance.

Trying not to speak for dEnnis here, but I don't think any sabres fan hates enroth, as he is the first serviceable backup we have had in a while. Most fans just don't want him starting full time yet. Miller has a much greater history of stealing games (though I'm not saying Enroth can't) so naturally fans feel more comfortable with the idea of him as the starting goalie during an important stretch of the season.

[dEnnis the Menace]

Freakpop, on 11 July 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Name a goalie anywhere who would have been successful over that 12 game stretch where his team only scored 20 goals? If you really think Miller would have had more success than Enroth did during that stretch you are delusional, unrealistic and just an Enroth hater with no substance.

I think Miller not still suffering symptoms/still recovering would've been better, but Miller in the state he was in would not have been.  My point is, Enroth should've won at least one or two of those close games.  He couldn't.  I don't hate Enroth at all, in fact I am a big supporter of him being Miller's backup.  I don't think he can handle the rigors of being the full time starter,  and I don't think he is or will be better than Miller ever.  I'm not saying Miller is the greatest ever, but look at his all time wins in a Sabres jersey.  Now, you can argue that Hasek would have more wins to his name if there was a shootout instead of ties, but still, even so, Miller would still be a very close 2nd, even if 2/3 of Hasek's ties were wins!  Do all those wins get credited to him, no, but a good number of them over the last couple of years do! since '05-'06, Miller has yet to post under 30 wins!!  He's not a problem, in fact, I think he's part of the solution.  Why trade him now, and create a hole in the roster?  There is no mythical #1C that we are going to get by trading Miller, even with other pieces.

Arcsabresfan41, on 11 July 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

Trying not to speak for dEnnis here, but I don't think any sabres fan hates enroth, as he is the first serviceable backup we have had in a while. Most fans just don't want him starting full time yet. Miller has a much greater history of stealing games (though I'm not saying Enroth can't) so naturally fans feel more comfortable with the idea of him as the starting goalie during an important stretch of the season.

exactly, thank you!

[d4rksabre]

Freakpop, on 11 July 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Name a goalie anywhere who would have been successful over that 12 game stretch where his team only scored 20 goals? If you really think Miller would have had more success than Enroth did during that stretch you are delusional, unrealistic and just an Enroth hater with no substance.

You my friend are the delusional one. OF COURSE Miller would have done better. How is this even a concept???


I think it's high time we coined another term around here: The Concept of Jhonas Enroth.

This concept states that no matter how poorly the team plays, there is no way Miller could outplay Enroth, because Enroth is a proven NHL goaltender who steals as many games as Miller and could easily take over the starting job.

Edited by d4rksabre, 11 July 2012 - 08:58 AM.

[JJFIVEOH]

Or the Concept of Ryan Miller.

The concept states that just because Miller has an Olympic MVP and Vezina trophy he is and always will be the best goaltender in the NHL. There is nobody anybody would rather have in net to win them games than Ryan Miller. Even though his attitude sucks and his numbers barely make him an average goaltender. But hey, he's making 6+ mil a year so he must be that good.

RazielSabre, on 11 July 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

I try and ignore the Miller fights around here but I cant help it normally.

This is probably the fourth time you've mentioned this on this thread. Just trying to pad your post count or do you plan to back up your words eventually?

[Arcsabresfan41]

JJFIVEOH, on 11 July 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

Or the Concept of Ryan Miller.

The concept states that just because Miller has an Olympic MVP and Vezina trophy he is and always will be the best goaltender in the NHL. There is nobody anybody would rather have in net to win them games than Ryan Miller. Even though his attitude sucks and his numbers barely make him an average goaltender. But hey, he's making 6+ mil a year so he must be that good.

This has probably been mentioned, but if he is average with a crappy attitude, how can he be "worth something" like the tag suggests and be used in a trade for a #1 center like the first post suggests? No team would want this average goalie with a huge cap hit and an attitude problem. Especially not for their prized player. Based on your description of Miller, the return in a trade would not be what this team needs, and I don't think it would be worth it, because the hole created at goalie, like shown in Philly, Toronto, etc, could last years.

[dEnnis the Menace]

JJFIVEOH, on 11 July 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

Or the Concept of Ryan Miller.

The concept states that just because Miller has an Olympic MVP and Vezina trophy he is and always will be the best goaltender in the NHL. There is nobody anybody would rather have in net to win them games than Ryan Miller. Even though his attitude sucks and his numbers barely make him an average goaltender. But hey, he's making 6+ mil a year so he must be that good.



This is probably the fourth time you've mentioned this on this thread. Just trying to pad your post count or do you plan to back up your words eventually?

haha...ok.  First, I have not brought up either of those (MVP or Vezina), and have said "I am not saying he's the best ever, just the best for us right now."  I would rather have a better goalie for less, and even said so in one of my last posts!  I'm pretty sure D4rk feels the same way.  However, as Arc said, most of us don't think Enroth can take over, and there isn't anyone else ready to take over.  I don't think his attitude sucks.  I think that he answer questions truthfully without specifically mentioning a players name.  He's also hard on himself, and takes responsibility for losses.  I've heard him on a few different occasions say that he should've made another stop or two.  He's not a locker room cancer by any means from what I've seen, especially given the fact that his teammates have voted him team MVP, and because a lot of the team speaks highly of him.

I'm done with this argument because it's going in circles now.  I'm certain that his numbers will be better this season.  I really don't think getting rid of Miller is a solution to bring in a #1 C, or other top 6 forward, and I especially don't think that Enroth could be our full time starter based on watching him play last season.  You know how I feel about the subject, I know how you feel.  good game.

[JJFIVEOH]

dEnnis the Menace, on 11 July 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

exactly.  is there a double standard?

Look at Miller's steals! So Enroth can come up short against the big guns, and you still want him to replace Miller? I want a goalie that steals games from those teams!!  The team didn't help Miller much on the west coast, or against a lot of teams, but he still managed to steal a bunch of wins. I like Miller as our top option right now.  I'd be open to trade him if an option of equal quality or better was available (especially with a better contract), but the truth is, Enroth is NOT better than him, nor do I see him being better than him.  So for right now, I think that Miller's our best option, and gives us the best chance at winning games.  I also see him having a better year than last.  And I also think that if Ruff gives Enroth 22-25 games again this year, and if he can win at least half of them, we'll be in good shape.

Double standard? The only double standard I see is how people whine about the "core" never getting it done yet Miller seems to get a pass. Tell me, how can anybody expect Enroth to put up big numbers and steal games when he only plays once every 3 weeks? Option of an equal quality goaltender? I would have taken Vokoun in a heartbeat last year for $2 mil over Miller. Hell, I would have taken Vokoun in a heartbeat at Miller's salary. Let's face it, if Miller didn't have a one hit year he wouldn't be where he is now. But for some reason because he came up big in the Olympics and his Vezina year people seem to think he's a hall of fame caliber goaltender and they treat him accordingly (including the front LR and DR which makes it even worse!) I'm sick of the Golden Boy treatment he gets.

[d4rksabre]

JJFIVEOH, on 11 July 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

Or the Concept of Ryan Miller.

The concept states that just because Miller has an Olympic MVP and Vezina trophy he is and always will be the best goaltender in the NHL. There is nobody anybody would rather have in net to win them games than Ryan Miller. Even though his attitude sucks and his numbers barely make him an average goaltender. But hey, he's making 6+ mil a year so he must be that good.



This is probably the fourth time you've mentioned this on this thread. Just trying to pad your post count or do you plan to back up your words eventually?

Your concept is flawed in that no one actually says or thinks that.

[JJFIVEOH]

RazielSabre, on 11 July 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

OH FOR ###### SAKE WHY DOES THIS ###### ARGUEMENT COME UP EVERY OFFSEASON?!

Seriously, Miller is an above average goalietender who can play elite and has proven to keep us in more games than he losses us. Enroth is a young, inexperienced backup who should NOT be thrust into the starting job because his 'cheap'. I think Miller starting and Enroth as backup is a powerful combination, most hockey critics agree it's our best bet.

The biggest problem is that almost every Sabres fan thinks unless a goalie is a good as Hasek their crap, GET SOME PERSPECTIVE. I don't know why I bother and yes I'm infuriated hence the capitals.

So when exactly should he be thrust into a starting job? When do starting goaltenders get their chance? Do the backups' starters just sit back and say 'Hey, I'll ride the bench for a while so he can get a shot......'.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

JJFIVEOH, on 11 July 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Double standard? The only double standard I see is how people whine about the "core" never getting it done yet Miller seems to get a pass. Tell me, how can anybody expect Enroth to put up big numbers and steal games when he only plays once every 3 weeks? Option of an equal quality goaltender? I would have taken Vokoun in a heartbeat last year for $2 mil over Miller. Hell, I would have taken Vokoun in a heartbeat at Miller's salary. Let's face it, if Miller didn't have a one hit year he wouldn't be where he is now. But for some reason because he came up big in the Olympics and his Vezina year people seem to think he's a hall of fame caliber goaltender and they treat him accordingly (including the front LR and DR which makes it even worse!) I'm sick of the Golden Boy treatment he gets.

Gets a pass? as far as I remember he was the only player last season to be directly called out by the owner as "playing worse than one of his daughters."

[JJFIVEOH]

Arcsabresfan41, on 11 July 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:

This has probably been mentioned, but if he is average with a crappy attitude, how can he be "worth something" like the tag suggests and be used in a trade for a #1 center like the first post suggests? No team would want this average goalie with a huge cap hit and an attitude problem. Especially not for their prized player. Based on your description of Miller, the return in a trade would not be what this team needs, and I don't think it would be worth it, because the hole created at goalie, like shown in Philly, Toronto, etc, could last years.

Because many teams are willing to give a one hit wonder another chance with 'different scenery'. Especially teams that need to pad their cap hit. When there's another so called "elite' on the market that may of interest to another team, would you choose the one with 2 years left on their contract or 8?

Really? How many rounds did Philly go with an AHL goaltender as opposed to when they picked up an 'elite' goaltender with a massive contract? That didn't turn out so hot last year. How did Pittsburgh make out last year with a goaltender with an 'elite' contract? Fleury is probably even more overrated than Miller and probably would have won that series with an average goaltender and they used that extra $$ to shore up their defense.

d4rksabre, on 11 July 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

Your concept is flawed in that no one actually says or thinks that.

No. You're wrong.

LastPommerFan, on 11 July 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

Gets a pass? as far as I remember he was the only player last season to be directly called out by the owner as "playing worse than one of his daughters."

Too bad he's the only one with the balls to say it. Did you happen to notice that Miller actually took the blame for a couple of losses (although VERY reluctantly) right after that was said?

[d4rksabre]

JJFIVEOH, on 11 July 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

No. You're wrong.

Incorrect. No one would ever make that argument.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

Throw me 5 quotes from 5 different games where Miller threw his team under the bus.

Locker Room Cancers don't get voted MVP by the players, Every analyst in the NHL can't possible be wrong about him at the same time. Miller is an elite goalie who had 2 absolutely terrible stretches in the the last 2 seasons following one of the best seasons a goalie has had in the last 10 years. If he has another stretch like that this year, I'm downgrading him, but for now, I'd rather have him on the team than not.

[d4rksabre]

LastPommerFan, on 11 July 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Throw me 5 quotes from 5 different games where Miller threw his team under the bus.

Locker Room Cancers don't get voted MVP by the players, Every analyst in the NHL can't possible be wrong about him at the same time. Miller is an elite goalie who had 2 absolutely terrible stretches in the the last 2 seasons following one of the best seasons a goalie has had in the last 10 years. If he has another stretch like that this year, I'm downgrading him, but for now, I'd rather have him on the team than not.

And I'll take him in every situation over Enroth.

And I like Enroth.

[TrueBluePhD]

LastPommerFan, on 11 July 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Throw me 5 quotes from 5 different games where Miller threw his team under the bus.

Locker Room Cancers don't get voted MVP by the players, Every analyst in the NHL can't possible be wrong about him at the same time. Miller is an elite goalie who had 2 absolutely terrible stretches in the the last 2 seasons following one of the best seasons a goalie has had in the last 10 years. If he has another stretch like that this year, I'm downgrading him, but for now, I'd rather have him on the team than not.

But he owns the team, nobody has the balls, blah blah blah.  This entire thing is based on nothing other than a warped and slanted opinion.  It's a crusade, and the conversation which has resulted is the definition of a circular conversation.

[JJFIVEOH]

TrueBluePhD, on 11 July 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

But he owns the team, nobody has the balls, blah blah blah.  This entire thing is based on nothing other than a warped and slanted opinion.  It's a crusade, and the conversation which has resulted is the definition of a circular conversation.

Or perhaps the inability to recognize the obvious.

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LastPommerFan, on 11 July 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

Gets a pass? as far as I remember he was the only player last season to be directly called out by the owner as "playing worse than one of his daughters."

Actually, The owner said that about BOTH Enroth and Miller, IIRC that commetn was after a game that both played in and were both pulled from.
You would be better off arguing with a wall, atleast the conversation would be more intellegent and not include made up assumptions/conspiracy theories about how Miller is some lockerroom cancer with attitude problems that everyone hates because he apparently calls out teammates while never admitting he made a mistake, all while his teammates name him team MVP because they are all afraid of making him angry. He has apparently only had one good season, and all good teams know that you don't need goaltending to win a cup. Also an average goalie with only one good year, attitude problems and hated by teammates will net you a superstar forward. Plus, you don't have to beat good teams if you are the superstar backup who should be handed the starting job

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LastPommerFan, on 11 July 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Throw me 5 quotes from 5 different games where Miller threw his team under the bus.

Locker Room Cancers don't get voted MVP by the players, Every analyst in the NHL can't possible be wrong about him at the same time. Miller is an elite goalie who had 2 absolutely terrible stretches in the the last 2 seasons following one of the best seasons a goalie has had in the last 10 years. If he has another stretch like that this year, I'm downgrading him, but for now, I'd rather have him on the team than not.

He does it all the time!! He critiques every single game! He'll mention when his D doesn't play well, he'll mention when the power play didn't step up, he'll mention when the forwards need to create better chance!. All of which I LOVE that he does but there is one problem............ HE IS NEVER THE PROBLEM! If he lets in a couple of soft goals while the rest of the team kicked ass the only thing he has to say is ' Well, ya know, WE played pretty good, ya know, good enough to, ya know, win the, ya know, game.......'. Whenever the team lets him down to Miller it's always their fault, but whenever they lose because Miller let's in a couple of soft goals it's 'WE' and not 'ME'.

Edited by JJFIVEOH, 11 July 2012 - 10:28 AM.

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TrueBluePhD, on 11 July 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

But he owns the team, nobody has the balls, blah blah blah.  This entire thing is based on nothing other than a warped and slanted opinion.  It's a crusade, and the conversation which has resulted is the definition of a circular conversation.

A crusade by a conspiracy theorist with no facts, just assumptions and jumping to conclusions....................

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JJFIVEOH, on 11 July 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

He does it all the time!! He critiques every single game! He'll mention when his D doesn't play well, he'll mention when the power play didn't step up, he'll mention when the forwards need to create better chance!. All of which I LOVE that he does but there is one problem............ HE IS NEVER THE PROBLEM! If he lets in a couple of soft goals while the rest of the team kicked ass the only thing he has to say is ' Well, ya know, WE played pretty good, ya know, good enough to, ya know, win the, ya know, game.......'. Whenever the team lets him down to Miller it's always their fault, but whenever they lose because Miller let's in a couple of soft goals it's 'WE' and not 'ME'.

You have made this up in your head. The actual interviews show a very different story from what you are saying.

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LastPommerFan, on 11 July 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

You have made this up in your head. The actual interviews show a very different story from what you are saying.

maybe he gets a better reception wearing his tinfoil hat and hears more of the interview then everyone else?