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[JJFIVEOH]

Let's be honest, I've never been a big fan of Miller. But, I have given him credit where credit is deserved. Unlike somebody like Luongo who is inconsistent from game to game, Miller is streaky for months at a time. When he's hot, he's hot for a long time. When he's cold, you can bet he'll be cold for a while. A big part of the dialogue for the last several months has been to get rid of the cancers of the "core". Miller is part of the core. Derek Roy continually get hammered because of his metrosexual party boy lifestyle which many considered to be a detriment to the locker room. Move on to Ryan Miller..... he has never been one to keep his opinions to himself. After every single game the media will ask him for his critique of the game and he won't hesitate to throw his temmates under the bus and until recently he rarely took the blame for a bad game. On the other hand, his teammates NEVER have the nads to criticize Miller for losing a game which leads me to believe that he is favored no matter what happens. He is the golden boy. How can this not be a locker room distraction? The rest of the team seems like they are more concerned about making Miller happy than they are winning a game. So my question is, why is he not chastised about his attitude and his contributions as a "core" player when guys like Vanek, Stafford, Roy and P-Ville are picked on? With a Vezina on his resume and an MVP in the olympics how is he not considered trade bait? He has to be worth something on the market not to mention ridding the team of a huge cap hit. He only has two years left which means a prospective team doesn't have to worry about a Luongo-like contract. And it has been proven that elite goaltenders do not necessarily win a Cup. (I think the Kings would have won without Quick, although it wouldn't have been so easy). Miller for some reason is considered "elite" but in actuality he really isn't. So why all this talk about ridding the team of guys like Stafford, Vanek, P-Ville, (at the time Roy), and Ehrhoff to get an elite center? Why can't Miller be thrown into the equation?

[sizzlemeister]

Holy paragraphs, Batman!

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

Let's be honest, I've never been a big fan of Miller. But, I have given him credit where credit is deserved. Unlike somebody like Luongo who is inconsistent from game to game, Miller is streaky for months at a time. When he's hot, he's hot for a long time. When he's cold, you can bet he'll be cold for a while. A big part of the dialogue for the last several months has been to get rid of the cancers of the "core". Miller is part of the core. Derek Roy continually get hammered because of his metrosexual party boy lifestyle which many considered to be a detriment to the locker room. Move on to Ryan Miller..... he has never been one to keep his opinions to himself. After every single game the media will ask him for his critique of the game and he won't hesitate to throw his temmates under the bus and until recently he rarely took the blame for a bad game. On the other hand, his teammates NEVER have the nads to criticize Miller for losing a game which leads me to believe that he is favored no matter what happens. He is the golden boy. How can this not be a locker room distraction? The rest of the team seems like they are more concerned about making Miller happy than they are winning a game. So my question is, why is he not chastised about his attitude and his contributions as a "core" player when guys like Vanek, Stafford, Roy and P-Ville are picked on? With a Vezina on his resume and an MVP in the olympics how is he not considered trade bait? He has to be worth something on the market not to mention ridding the team of a huge cap hit. He only has two years left which means a prospective team doesn't have to worry about a Luongo-like contract. And it has been proven that elite goaltenders do not necessarily win a Cup. (I think the Kings would have won without Quick, although it wouldn't have been so easy). Miller for some reason is considered "elite" but in actuality he really isn't. So why all this talk about ridding the team of guys like Stafford, Vanek, P-Ville, (at the time Roy), and Ehrhoff to get an elite center? Why can't Miller be thrown into the equation?

[JJFIVEOH]

sizzlemeister, on 05 July 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

Holy paragraphs, Batman!

Just wanna get all basis covered.

[sabres13]

Three arguments to your post.

1. Ehrhoff is a really good d-man and is a solid threat on the pp when healthy.

2. Miller is definitely an elite goaltender. Yes he's had some ups and downs but he is what you call a game changer! He can make other teams doubt themselves and our team play like world beaters.

3. What other goalie could be have right now?

Lastly, look at teams like Toronto, Philly, florida, Tampa, and so many others that have great offenses but no goaltending. (my mistake subpar in Philly).

I personally like Miller and don't want to trade him.

[drnkirishone]

I still don't understand the throwing his teammates under the bus thing. Granted I don't watch every single post game interview but the ones I have watched he seems to answer all questions honestly if it was a bad read by his defensemen he says so if it was a puck he should of or normally stops he says so.

It's not like he is going into the interview going WTF was weber thinking that idiot he left me hanging or that ###### Leino all he had to do was step infront of Landeskog and we have a win. But maybe I missed thous interviews

Edited by drnkirishone, 05 July 2012 - 10:48 PM.

[d4rksabre]

The only way you move Miller is if you can get a goalie of similar talent for a little cheaper price. Maybe less proven and a little younger.

He's going to be our option going forward though. At least through this current contract.

[sabres13]

My only complant about miller is he has major crazy eyes during interviews. Lol

[JJFIVEOH]

sabres13, on 05 July 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

Three arguments to your post.

1. Ehrhoff is a really good d-man and is a solid threat on the pp when healthy.

2. Miller is definitely an elite goaltender. Yes he's had some ups and downs but he is what you call a game changer! He can make other teams doubt themselves and our team play like world beaters.

3. What other goalie could be have right now?

Lastly, look at teams like Toronto, Philly, florida, Tampa, and so many others that have great offenses but no goaltending. (my mistake subpar in Philly).

I personally like Miller and don't want to trade him.

1. I agree with Ehrhoff, I wouldn't trade him unless some insane offer came through. Aside from Myers, he is our other "untouchable" with Regehr being a close second.

2. Miller CAN be an elite goaltender. It depends on his mood and his determination. But it's besides the point because his attitude is detrimental to the team. Doesn't matter how good he is or how good he can be, he brings the team down. I agree, and have said, when he is on his game he is unstoppable and he goes on hot streaks for weeks at a time. So when he heats up he is by far worth the $$$. But, can that $$$ be better used elsewhere where an elite goaltender doesn't have to be an issue?

3. I haven't looked to see who is on the market. But I think Enroth deserves a chance to play long term. There has to be a few quality veterans on the market who could be a backup or be a 'B' goaltender to Enroth's 'A'.

I watched FL all year, they cannot be compared to Tor, Phi or TB. Clemmensen, Theodore and (for a short time and eventual starter Markstrom) looked pretty damn good, They didn't win the division because of them but they certainly didn't lose it. And they pushed NJ to the brink in double OT.

[tom webster]

sizzlemeister, on 05 July 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

Holy paragraphs, Batman!

You realize these same teammates you speak of have voted him team MVP? This myth you continue to perpetrate that he is unliked in the room couldn't be further from the truth.

On the other hand, if they can improve the team and bring in a true number one ( not Enroth), no one is untouchable.

[JJFIVEOH]

d4rksabre, on 05 July 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

The only way you move Miller is if you can get a goalie of similar talent for a little cheaper price. Maybe less proven and a little younger.

He's going to be our option going forward though. At least through this current contract.

I agree with you. The front office is so obsessed with Miller that they will never get rid of him.

[qwksndmonster]

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

[snip]
Derek Roy continually get hammered because of his metrosexual party boy lifestyle which many considered to be a detriment to the locker room.

This bit really irked me.  Roy got hammered because he was never good when it mattered and he would take nights off.

[TrueBluePhD]

1)  If you think Miller is some "golden boy" for fans, I don't know what fans you talk to, what radio station you listen to, or what forms you visit.  Miller gets grilled by fans on a regular basis.

2)  If Miller was such a locker room problem, would the team have voted him team MVP a year ago?

3)  I feel like I've said this a million times, but trading Miller isn't easy, especially if he's as average as you believe he is.  Why would a team take on an average goaltender making $6.25 million?  And he can make an 8 team no-trade list, so any bottom-feeders desperate enough to make a move for him he'd probably have scratched off.  What contender makes a move for him?  Philly?  We'd have to take back Bryz's contract, so no thanks.  Detroit?  Maybe, but what do we get back?  Who the hell is our goaltender?  (Jimmy Howard is mediocre at best, and that's on Detroit...no thanks).  I know you want to trade him, but I just don't think it's a realistic proposition.

[JJFIVEOH]

tom webster, on 05 July 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

You realize these same teammates you speak of have voted him team MVP? This myth you continue to perpetrate that he is unliked in the room couldn't be further from the truth.

On the other hand, if they can improve the team and bring in a true number one ( not Enroth), no one is untouchable.

Of course they did, because they bend over backwards for him just like the front office does. My point is, the way Enroth has played, would the benefit of getting a TRUE #1 center by using Miller as trade bait offset using Enroth as #1?

[TrueBluePhD]

Are you really prepared to throw the keys to Enroth and hope for the best?  This organization has ZERO in the way of NHL-ready goaltending prospects if Enroth flops.  Zilch.  And finding a capable goaltender isn't easy as is evidence by the multitude of teams that haven't found one in a decade.

[drnkirishone]

Maybe my hockey expereinces are the outlier but........ Goalies are like the kickers in football. They are allowed and expected to be rather strange. I mean you are volunteering to have vulcanized rubber fired at you in excess of 100 mph you gotta be slightly unhinged. To say his attitude is detremental to the team borders on obsurd to me. The only way it could be is if he had sex with the captains wife at a toga party on tape and then spooged in a cup of beer and made Pommer drink it...........

[JJFIVEOH]

TrueBluePhD, on 05 July 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

1)  If you think Miller is some "golden boy" for fans, I don't know what fans you talk to, what radio station you listen to, or what forms you visit.  Miller gets grilled by fans on a regular basis.

2)  If Miller was such a locker room problem, would the team have voted him team MVP a year ago?

3)  I feel like I've said this a million times, but trading Miller isn't easy, especially if he's as average as you believe he is.  Why would a team take on an average goaltender making $6.25 million?  And he can make an 8 team no-trade list, so any bottom-feeders desperate enough to make a move for him he'd probably have scratched off.  What contender makes a move for him?  Philly?  We'd have to take back Bryz's contract, so no thanks.  Detroit?  Maybe, but what do we get back?  Who the hell is our goaltender?  (Jimmy Howard is mediocre at best, and that's on Detroit...no thanks).  I know you want to trade him, but I just don't think it's a realistic proposition.

1) No, Miller is the golden boy to the organization because he won a Vezina and an MVP in the Olympics. Aside from that his stats are barely average.

2) Read my last post.

3) Tell me, do you think it was coincidence that Miller all of a sudden started his hot streak on the west coast where his wife lives right after Pegula said his daughter would be better in net?

[TrueBluePhD]

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Of course they did, because they bend over backwards for him just like the front office does. My point is, the way Enroth has played, would the benefit of getting a TRUE #1 center by using Miller as trade bait offset using Enroth as #1?

That's complete and total conjecture on your part.  It's garbage.

Secondly...again, if Miller is a locker room cancer and simply average since he goes hot and cold...do you think you know what other GMs with #1 centers don't?  That mythical Miller for #1 center doesn't exist.

[JJFIVEOH]

drnkirishone, on 05 July 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

Maybe my hockey expereinces are the outlier but........ Goalies are like the kickers in football. They are allowed and expected to be rather strange. I mean you are volunteering to have vulcanized rubber fired at you in excess of 100 mph you gotta be slightly unhinged. To say his attitude is detremental to the team borders on obsurd to me. The only way it could be is if he had sex with the captains wife at a toga party on tape and then spooged in a cup of beer and made Pommer drink it...........

If you were in the locker room after a loss and knew your #1 goalie routinely bashed his teammates on the air........ would you be leery? Would you be scared to say something about his performance? Would you be afraid to even think of saying anything because you knew your coach and GM considers that guy to be the Golden Boy?

[d4rksabre]

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

I agree with you. The front office is so obsessed with Miller that they will never get rid of him.

I'm not sure how that comes from my post.

I don't think they're obsessed. I think they realize that goaltenders are a funny thing. Not everyone is Marty Brodeur. They have good and bad years. Sometimes the smartest option is to stick with what you've got.

I see no reason to hitch the cart to a goalie like Enroth. I like the kid, but he's not big enough play a full season without destroying himself physically. Do you trade for another goalie? How much guarantee do we have that someone else will be better?

Our grass might not be the greenest in the neighborhood, but at least it's not brown.

[sizzlemeister]

tom webster, on 05 July 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

sizzlemeister, on 05 July 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

Holy paragraphs, Batman!

You realize these same teammates you speak of have voted him team MVP? This myth you continue to perpetrate that he is unliked in the room couldn't be further from the truth.

On the other hand, if they can improve the team and bring in a true number one ( not Enroth), no one is untouchable.

Uhhhmmm...

[sabres13]

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

1. I agree with Ehrhoff, I wouldn't trade him unless some insane offer came through. Aside from Myers, he is our other "untouchable" with Regehr being a close second.

2. Miller CAN be an elite goaltender. It depends on his mood and his determination. But it's besides the point because his attitude is detrimental to the team. Doesn't matter how good he is or how good he can be, he brings the team down. I agree, and have said, when he is on his game he is unstoppable and he goes on hot streaks for weeks at a time. So when he heats up he is by far worth the $$$. But, can that $$$ be better used elsewhere where an elite goaltender doesn't have to be an issue?

3. I haven't looked to see who is on the market. But I think Enroth deserves a chance to play long term. There has to be a few quality veterans on the market who could be a backup or be a 'B' goaltender to Enroth's 'A'.

I watched FL all year, they cannot be compared to Tor, Phi or TB. Clemmensen, Theodore and (for a short time and eventual starter Markstrom) looked pretty damn good, They didn't win the division because of them but they certainly didn't lose it. And they pushed NJ to the brink in double OT.

1. Totally agree with your comment.

2. Miller is actually liked in the by many teammates. He can actually improve the teams moral when he plays. I've watched and listened to many post games and players sound more confident when he's healthy and in the net.

3. Enroth is good but nowhere neat miller. He's too small, has an obvious five hole problem, and goes down way to fast. He's an excellent backup and maybe down the road a decent starter but he's a shadow compared to miller.

[JJFIVEOH]

TrueBluePhD, on 05 July 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

That's complete and total conjecture on your part.  It's garbage.

Secondly...again, if Miller is a locker room cancer and simply average since he goes hot and cold...do you think you know what other GMs with #1 centers don't?  That mythical Miller for #1 center doesn't exist.

I didn't say he was average because he goes hot and cold. Every single player in the league goes hot and cold. In fact I have said the one strength of Miller is when he gets into a streak he does it for extended periods, not game to game like Luongo. But overall he is average. When he is bad, he's really bad for along time. He loves to use excuses to back it up until he gets hot again.

d4rksabre, on 05 July 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

I'm not sure how that comes from my post.

I don't think they're obsessed. I think they realize that goaltenders are a funny thing. Not everyone is Marty Brodeur. They have good and bad years. Sometimes the smartest option is to stick with what you've got.

I see no reason to hitch the cart to a goalie like Enroth. I like the kid, but he's not big enough play a full season without destroying himself physically. Do you trade for another goalie? How much guarantee do we have that someone else will be better?

Our grass might not be the greenest in the neighborhood, but at least it's not brown.

Good and bad years.............. he's had one good year.

[drnkirishone]

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

If you were in the locker room after a loss and knew your #1 goalie routinely bashed his teammates on the air........ would you be leery? Would you be scared to say something about his performance? Would you be afraid to even think of saying anything because you knew your coach and GM considers that guy to be the Golden Boy?

and yet again I say he doesn't bash them. he is brutally honest in interviews if I was playing D for him and I fubared my assignment so bad that I left a player to walk in on him on a breakaway and it cost us the game I would be extremely pissed, I would probaly be bashing myself in the media before the goalie got a chance to say anything

[JJFIVEOH]

sabres13, on 05 July 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

1. Totally agree with your comment.

2. Miller is actually liked in the by many teammates. He can actually improve the teams moral when he plays. I've watched and listened to many post games and players sound more confident when he's healthy and in the net.

3. Enroth is good but nowhere neat miller. He's too small, has an obvious five hole problem, and goes down way to fast. He's an excellent backup and maybe down the road a decent starter but he's a shadow compared to miller.

1. Good.

2. Of course he is, when he carries the team everybody is happy. But when things get sour, they go REALLY south.

3. Despite how he lets in goals, he still has better stats.

[TrueBluePhD]

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

If you were in the locker room after a loss and knew your #1 goalie routinely bashed his teammates on the air........ would you be leery? Would you be scared to say something about his performance? Would you be afraid to even think of saying anything because you knew your coach and GM considers that guy to be the Golden Boy?

I think your'e confusing answering questions with throwing teammates under the bus...unless you think they're one in the same.  But I do not.  Personally I prefer athletes and coaches to honestly answer questions, rather than issuing the same cliche 1000 times over the course of a season.  But that's me.

[qwksndmonster]

This thread is a retread and I pronounce it dead.

[TrueBluePhD]

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

1. Good.

2. Of course he is, when he carries the team everybody is happy. But when things get sour, they go REALLY south.

3. Despite how he lets in goals, he still has better stats.

Sample.  Size.

[sabres13]

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

1. Good.

2. Of course he is, when he carries the team everybody is happy. But when things get sour, they go REALLY south.

3. Despite how he lets in goals, he still has better stats.

3. Give Enroth 60 games or more a season and then talk to me about stats.

[drnkirishone]

TrueBluePhD, on 05 July 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

I think your'e confusing answering questions with throwing teammates under the bus...unless you think they're one in the same.  But I do not.  Personally I prefer athletes and coaches to honestly answer questions, rather than issuing the same cliche 1000 times over the course of a season.  But that's me.

completely agree on this

[JJFIVEOH]

drnkirishone, on 05 July 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

and yet again I say he doesn't bash them. he is brutally honest in interviews if I was playing D for him and I fubared my assignment so bad that I left a player to walk in on him on a breakaway and it cost us the game I would be extremely pissed, I would probaly be bashing myself in the media before the goalie got a chance to say anything

Let's get one thing straight. I LOVE the fact these guys are brutally honest. They are grown men, professional athletes making millions of dollars a year. They should be brutally honest. At this level each player should be able to take constructive criticism and hand it out at the same time AND accept it. But, when was the last time you hears any of the team criticize Miller for flat out blowing a game? NEVER. They are afraid to call out the Golden Boy. I've been a pretty good follower of the Panthers for many years and NEVER have I heard a goalie talk about his team the way Miller does.

TrueBluePhD, on 05 July 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

I think your'e confusing answering questions with throwing teammates under the bus...unless you think they're one in the same.  But I do not.  Personally I prefer athletes and coaches to honestly answer questions, rather than issuing the same cliche 1000 times over the course of a season.  But that's me.

Is it that tough for Miller to say 'It's not my job to critique my team, it's my job to stop pucks....."?

sabres13, on 05 July 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

3. Give Enroth 60 games or more a season and then talk to me about stats.

How do you know that?

qwksndmonster, on 05 July 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

This thread is a retread and I pronounce it dead.

30 posts in 45 minutes, I hardly call it dead.

I'm on vacation, why you guys taking up all my time?

[LGR4GM]

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

And it has been proven that elite goaltenders do not necessarily win a Cup. (I think the Kings would have won without Quick, although it wouldn't have been so easy). Miller for some reason is considered "elite" but in actuality he really isn't. So why all this talk about ridding the team of guys like Stafford, Vanek, P-Ville, (at the time Roy), and Ehrhoff to get an elite center? Why can't Miller be thrown into the equation?

I will bet my Sabres fandom that the LA kings not only do not win the cup without Quick, but that they do not even reach the playoffs without him.  Quick in the regular season allowed the 2nd least number of goals while his team scored the 2nd least number of goals.  In the playoffs he set records... You can believe what you want but until I see that Enroth can carry this team or that one of the young guys will pan out I would rather bank on Grigs then trading Miller for an elite center and praying a goalie pans out.  Goalies dont get drafted in the first round because Goalies are so unpredictable at that young age.  Unless its a blockbuster trade I have no interest in trading Miller.

[dudacek]

I flat out disagree that Miller throws his teammates under the bus.
He says things like we need to make better reads, or stick to our game plan or be mentally tough, and when he says them, he's usually spot on.
He has never called out a teammate by name that I can recall.
He doesn't take responsibility enough for his own mistakes and doesn't have a lot of patience for reporters but he is passionate and thoughtful and honest and works his ass off and I like that in people and players.
He is the leader of this team and has been since Drury and Briere left.
The team follows his lead. He is their MVP.
Trade him if you can make the team better.
But finding someone to fill the hole won't be easy.

[JJFIVEOH]

LGR4GM, on 05 July 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

I will bet my Sabres fandom that the LA kings not only do not win the cup without Quick, but that they do not even reach the playoffs without him.  Quick in the regular season allowed the 2nd least number of goals while his team scored the 2nd least number of goals.  In the playoffs he set records... You can believe what you want but until I see that Enroth can carry this team or that one of the young guys will pan out I would rather bank on Grigs then trading Miller for an elite center and praying a goalie pans out.  Goalies dont get drafted in the first round because Goalies are so unpredictable at that young age.  Unless its a blockbuster trade I have no interest in trading Miller.

Did the Kings have the lineup during the regular season that the Sabres did had they stayed healthy? Yes, Quick may have carried them to a playoff birth, but the way the entire lineup played I think they would have won regardless. Yes, I agree, they made the playoffs because of Quick, but I want to see him be more than a one hit wonder. People say Enroth isn't made to play 60 games, that we don't know. But Quick had a standout year. Can he continue to play like that? His style leans towards 'no'. There is no way his style can play up to those standards into his 30's. There is a reason Broduer is as good as he is. He may not be as quick as he once was, but he has the technicalities down. He doesn't have to be as acrobatic as Quick to get the job done. Much like Miller. But Broduer has the mindset to get it done....... Miller, not so sure.

[drnkirishone]

you are obiviously high if you think the kings win the cup without Quick. their record setting goalie allowed them to take so many chances on the forecheck. Take him out and you take out the forecheck that so many here where raving about. Also I think Quick will be good into his 30's mid 30s i don't know. It will depend how he adapts his game to his diminishing reflexes

[LGR4GM]

JJFIVEOH, on 05 July 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Did the Kings have the lineup during the regular season that the Sabres did had they stayed healthy? Yes, Quick may have carried them to a playoff birth, but the way the entire lineup played I think they would have won regardless. Yes, I agree, they made the playoffs because of Quick, but I want to see him be more than a one hit wonder. People say Enroth isn't made to play 60 games, that we don't know. But Quick had a standout year. Can he continue to play like that? His style leans towards 'no'. There is no way his style can play up to those standards into his 30's. There is a reason Broduer is as good as he is. He may not be as quick as he once was, but he has the technicalities down. He doesn't have to be as acrobatic as Quick to get the job done. Much like Miller. But Broduer has the mindset to get it done....... Miller, not so sure.

I wonder if there is an acrobatic goalie who played well into his 30's.... ooo yea... Hasek.

Also I find it interesting you picked Brodeur for your comparison... Brodeur lost to Quick.  Also of note Quick wont be 30 for another 4 years.  Quick showed that a great GT can carry you through and be a major factor in a cup win.

[JJFIVEOH]

drnkirishone, on 06 July 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

you are obiviously high if you think the kings win the cup without Quick. their record setting goalie allowed them to take so many chances on the forecheck. Take him out and you take out the forecheck that so many here where raving about. Also I think Quick will be good into his 30's mid 30s i don't know. It will depend how he adapts his game to his diminishing reflexes

LGR4GM, on 06 July 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

I wonder if there is an acrobatic goalie who played well into his 30's.... ooo yea... Hasek.

Also I find it interesting you picked Brodeur for your comparison... Brodeur lost to Quick.  Also of note Quick wont be 30 for another 4 years.  Quick showed that a great GT can carry you through and be a major factor in a cup win.

I didn't say they didn't win the Cup because of Quick, I said they got to the playoffs because of Quick. They disposed of every single opponent so 'quick'ly that they could have done so with an above average goalie. Broduer showed that an 'average' goaltender can get that far without a supporting team. He is far beyond his peak but still got there because he is a tremendous athlete and has the mindset to do so.

Comparing Quick to Hasek is like comparing Mogilny to Gretzky. Hasek is without a doubt a freak of nature. There is no way ANYBODY in this day and age can withstand that kind of flexibility as he ages. Maybe I'm wrong. He was without a doubt a superior goaltender. But, I want to see more than a couple of years out of him to compare him to Hasek. NO long term contracted goaltenders have turned out to be withstanding. I give Quick credit, he has the mindset, he has the balls and he is cocky beyond belief. I hope the best for him. But, it hasn't bode well throughout history for long term goalies.

[Meathead]

one word: cray zee

miller does not throw teammates under the bus. unless you consider criticizing himself throwing himself under the bus. he speaks his mind which is usually the unvarnished truth, including when he or others need to do better. thats called leadership. hes essentially a second captain and if it wasnt for the silly rule that goalies cant be captain he would have been one this whole time. im glad hes there to provide his mature and usually even tempered guidance. hes probably not as good as he looked in the olympic run and not as bad as he was middle of last season. but hes still upper third in the league and has the potential to become vezina quality again at any time

[IKnowPhysics]

sizzlemeister, on 05 July 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Uhhhmmm...

Eh, ohyeah!

[ThirtyEight]

So now Roy is gone, can we get a consensus - is Miler the locker room cancer now? Or is Vanek still in contention? Is there a possibility that a dark horse like Gerbe could be the real problem?

Miller seems to face far more break aways and good scoring chances than most teams i watch. I think his stats are misleading. I like the fact he answers questions honestly, it is nice to know that losing pisses him off and i think that he is as hard on himself as he is with the team. As far as i am aware, most of the players defend Miller when his ability is brought into question?

[dEnnis the Menace]

First of all, Miller is just honest in all of his post game interviews.  I have never heard him "throw his teammates under the bus."  He just answers the questions asked to him, and doesn't give the same old same old cliches, which is refreshing.  Ruff calls out Miller ALL the time, and the team covers for Miller, even after Miller throws himself under the bus.  I've heard Myers and Weber among others say they blew an assignment and "left Millsie hanging high and dry."

Second, Enroth doesn't have better stats and he sure the hell isn't the gamechanger that Miller is, and you are blowing his streakiness WAY out of proportion.  Does he have a game or two when he's cold? yeah, but this past year was the first time I've ever seen him go on a  LONG cold streak, and I think you really can attribute it to him not being ready to come back from the injuries.  He's the only one that has shown up in the playoffs the last two series we've had, and he's the one constant on this team.  I wouldn't want to trade him.