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[Spndnchz]

That was quite the interview with DR.

[d4rksabre]

spndnchz, on 10 July 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

But he has talked to Doan's agent.

Even better!

What else did he have to say?

[LGR4GM]

spndnchz, on 10 July 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

That was quite the interview with DR.

Yea il need to listen to it again there was a lot in there.

d4rksabre, on 10 July 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Even better!

What else did he have to say?

a lot

http://wgr550.com/Re...Trades/13682629

Edited by LGR4GM, 10 July 2012 - 04:38 PM.

[LGR4GM]

very few free agents left they are interested in. there are a couple. depends on price as to what they will do.

[sabres26]

excellent questions asked by schopp. Darcy basically said they are working hard and are in talks with teams. Leaning more towards trade rather than free agents.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

spndnchz, on 10 July 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

That was quite the interview with DR.

"Lindy is an ELITE COACH and is GETTING BETTER"

Yikes!

Talk about making yourself look like a worthless schmuck! Highest payroll...elite coach......no playoffs......wha happened?

[TrueBluePhD]

sabres26, on 10 July 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

excellent questions asked by schopp. Darcy basically said they are working hard and are in talks with teams. Leaning more towards trade rather than free agents.

I think the questions were good....until he needed to ask the "signature move" BS.  It's an interesting thing to talk about on talk radio, for fans, whatever...but I highly doubt a GM is out there thinking "I need a signature move!"  

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 10 July 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

"Lindy is an ELITE COACH and is GETTING BETTER"

Yikes!

Talk about making yourself look like a worthless schmuck! Highest payroll...elite coach......no playoffs......wha happened?

What else is he supposed to say?

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

TrueBluePhD, on 10 July 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

What else is he supposed to say?

If Chan Gailey said Ryan Fitzpatrick is an ELITE quarterback...he would get ridiculed.

Say "we can with with him"......like Buddy does.

If you have an elite coach and the highest payroll in the league...and suck....your GM NEEDS to be fired.

[Koomkie]

spndnchz, on 10 July 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

That was quite the interview with DR.

i agree. i thought mike did a good job of interviewing him, and was pleased to see darcy be less cryptic.

[TrueBluePhD]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 10 July 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

If Chan Gailey said Ryan Fitzpatrick is an ELITE quarterback...he would get ridiculed.

Say "we can with with him"......like Buddy does.

If you have an elite coach and the highest payroll in the league...and suck....your GM NEEDS to be fired.

I think if a GM thinks he can win with Ryan Fitzpatrick (assuming win means in the playoffs), I think HE NEEDS to get fired.  So there

[sizzlemeister]

I think that interview boils down to DR saying that unless there's a blockbuster trade, the Sabres are going to use this season to prepare the rookies for the following season.

Edited by sizzlemeister, 10 July 2012 - 10:18 PM.

[Eleven]

TrueBluePhD, on 10 July 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

I think the questions were good....until he needed to ask the "signature move" BS.  It's an interesting thing to talk about on talk radio, for fans, whatever...but I highly doubt a GM is out there thinking "I need a signature move!"  




What else is he supposed to say?

The truth, just as he did.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

TrueBluePhD, on 10 July 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

I think if a GM thinks he can win with Ryan Fitzpatrick (assuming win means in the playoffs), I think HE NEEDS to get fired.  So there

I just squirm every time I hear the guy talk. He hangs himself one way or the other or shows his true colors. I've been quiet because I liked the draft and the Ott trade...but then he says something stupid like that and I lose hope. He said something a week or so ago too, and I shut up because I pound on him....but he isn't very sharp. He is so calculated that a poker player can read him from 3500 miles away.

[TrueBluePhD]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 10 July 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

I just squirm every time I hear the guy talk. He hangs himself one way or the other or shows his true colors. I've been quiet because I liked the draft and the Ott trade...but then he says something stupid like that and I lose hope. He said something a week or so ago too, and I shut up because I pound on him....but he isn't very sharp. He is so calculated that a poker player can read him from 3500 miles away.

How about this:  you basically think he's a politician, so judge him like a politician.  Pay zero attention to what he says, and simply assess what he does.  That's what matters anyway, right?

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

TrueBluePhD, on 10 July 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

How about this:  you basically think he's a politician, so judge him like a politician.  Pay zero attention to what he says, and simply assess what he does.  That's what matters anyway, right?

Right....I have no respect for him.

There you have it.

Really...I squirm when I hear him say stuff.....the fiduciary responsibility that comes with being in charge of the city's hockey team.......egh!

[IKnowPhysics]

Decent interview by Schopp; asked about as direct questions as you can, politely, and received about as direct answers as you can, reasonably.

Sounds like Cody Hodgson's playing well.  Sounds like FA's mostly a dry hole, save some depth signings.  Sounds like they're working hard to construct a big move, but nothing materializing yet.  Sounds like they're satisfied with Lindy, and players voicing opposition were whining.  Sounds like absolutely no on Semin, and some attempt for Doan.

--

TSN says Nash list down to Boston Bruins, Detroit Red Wings, New York Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers, Pittsburgh Penguins and San Jose Sharks.
Any reality about cap space and gutting their team in return aside, please not the ###### Bruins.  No Nash in the North East.

--

Neil resigns in Ottawa for a few years.  I think the Northeast is just going total UFC for the next half-decade.  The only team in the NE not saltier than the balls of a fat man at a pretzel eating contest in Miami is the Leafs.  Perhaps they could un-buyout Darcy Tucker, who's still on the payroll this year (and next, lol).

[ROC Sabres]

IKnowPhysics, on 11 July 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

Neil resigns in Ottawa for a few years.  I think the Northeast is just going total UFC for the next half-decade.  The only team in the NE not saltier than the balls of a fat man at a pretzel eating contest in Miami is the Leafs.  Perhaps they could un-buyout Darcy Tucker, who's still on the payroll this year (and next, lol).

WTF!?!?

Edited by ROC Sabres, 11 July 2012 - 06:44 AM.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 10 July 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

"Lindy is an ELITE COACH and is GETTING BETTER"

Yikes!

Talk about making yourself look like a worthless schmuck! Highest payroll...elite coach......no playoffs......wha happened?

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 10 July 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

Right....I have no respect for him.

There you have it.

Really...I squirm when I hear him say stuff.....the fiduciary responsibility that comes with being in charge of the city's hockey team.......egh!

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 10 July 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

I just squirm every time I hear the guy talk. He hangs himself one way or the other or shows his true colors. I've been quiet because I liked the draft and the Ott trade...but then he says something stupid like that and I lose hope. He said something a week or so ago too, and I shut up because I pound on him....but he isn't very sharp. He is so calculated that a poker player can read him from 3500 miles away.

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 10 July 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

If Chan Gailey said Ryan Fitzpatrick is an ELITE quarterback...he would get ridiculed.

Say "we can with with him"......like Buddy does.

If you have an elite coach and the highest payroll in the league...and suck....your GM NEEDS to be fired.

Boom....Boom...Boom....Boom...

Sabres Brass suck and the 6-10 bills are headed in the right direction...

Boom...Boom...Boom...Boom...

Sabres signed the #1 Defensive FA (Ehrhoff)...They are doing it wrong...

Bills singed the #1 Defensive FA (Williams)... They are headed to the light...

Boom...Boom...Boom...Boom...

If When Williams misses 5 games with injury and the Bills miss the playoffs, will you cut them slack? I think you will.


Sorry about the snarky format...you got my BP up...Well done sir.

[apuszczalowski]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 10 July 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

"Lindy is an ELITE COACH and is GETTING BETTER"

Yikes!

Talk about making yourself look like a worthless schmuck! Highest payroll...elite coach......no playoffs......wha happened?

Injuries
Like it or not, they lost alot of key players for long periods of time last year and came inches from making the playoffs...........

Highest payroll doesn't mean much if they are overpaying a bunch of players.

[inkman]

sabres13, on 09 July 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

Semins a great player statistically...

To hear Schopp profess his love for Semin (hehe) you'd think he was league MVP.  His comparison to Vanek is apt but who wants another Vanek on the team?  High end skill guys are great but the ones with heart and determination are what the Sabres need.  Not sure if Semin brings that.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

inkman, on 11 July 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

To hear Schopp profess his love for Semin (hehe) you'd think he was league MVP.  His comparison to Vanek is apt but who wants another Vanek on the team?  High end skill guys are great but the ones with heart and determination are what the Sabres need.  Not sure if Semin brings that.

His complete lack of understanding of how to use advanced statistics forced me to turn off the radio yesterday. Schopp's refusal to recognize the fact that nearly all the NHL GMs have come to the same conclusion irritates me to no end. He has been trending downward for a while now, maybe just stick to collectibles.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

LastPommerFan, on 11 July 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Boom....Boom...Boom....Boom...

Sabres Brass suck and the 6-10 bills are headed in the right direction...

Boom...Boom...Boom...Boom...

Sabres signed the #1 Defensive FA (Ehrhoff)...They are doing it wrong...

Bills singed the #1 Defensive FA (Williams)... They are headed to the light...

Boom...Boom...Boom...Boom...

If When Williams misses 5 games with injury and the Bills miss the playoffs, will you cut them slack? I think you will.


Sorry about the snarky format...you got my BP up...Well done sir.

I trust one group

I don't trust the other group

If you ARE elite....and not trustworthy, you can find a way to win. Ask the Patriots.

If you are mediocre and not trustworthy.....you get what we have seen with the Sabres the past decade+

I'm trying to figure out why Sabres fans seem so intent on defending management no matter what. I think a big part of it is people are spending crazy money on seats and need to feel justified in doing so.....but it also seems we have a lot of white collar types on this board. Are people just so used to being fed BS in the corporate world that they accept the BS when fed to them by the Sabres? I really don't understand it. When the Bills had Donahoe and Modrak, I told them to blow it out their ###. It's not about the team, it's about the people that represent the team that represent my city.

I'd go to war with the Bills and their brass.

I'd hire a lawyer and take 3 showers when dealing with the Sabres over the years. Pegula is a better, but after jumping down the Penn St. rabbit hole, he can spin and scrub as good as anyone out there.

It just sucks to remember who is running the show after I was able to put that aside for a few months and let the transactions speak for themselves.....then the "harmless" reptile opens his mouth and says something and I get mad at myself for giving these guys the benefit of the doubt.

apuszczalowski, on 11 July 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

Injuries
Highest payroll doesn't mean much if they are overpaying a bunch of players.

Right.....which is why Darcy exposes himself for the disaster that he is when he calls his Coach elite.

I wasn't taking a snap at Ruff....it was Regier proving in a logical manner that he himself is what is wrong with the team. By using his political, "protect at all costs and just survive" mentality, he just leaves ripe zits out there for fans to pop.....but for some reason it just doesn't get to them.

[d4rksabre]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 11 July 2012 - 10:26 AM, said:

I trust one group

I don't trust the other group

If you ARE elite....and not trustworthy, you can find a way to win. Ask the Patriots.

If you are mediocre and not trustworthy.....you get what we have seen with the Sabres the past decade+

I'm trying to figure out why Sabres fans seem so intent on defending management no matter what. I think a big part of it is people are spending crazy money on seats and need to feel justified in doing so.....but it also seems we have a lot of white collar types on this board. Are people just so used to being fed BS in the corporate world that they accept the BS when fed to them by the Sabres? I really don't understand it. When the Bills had Donahoe and Modrak, I told them to blow it out their ###. It's not about the team, it's about the people that represent the team that represent my city.

I'd go to war with the Bills and their brass.

I'd hire a lawyer and take 3 showers when dealing with the Sabres over the years. Pegula is a better, but after jumping down the Penn St. rabbit hole, he can spin and scrub as good as anyone out there.

It just sucks to remember who is running the show after I was able to put that aside for a few months and let the transactions speak for themselves.....then the "harmless" reptile opens his mouth and says something and I get mad at myself for giving these guys the benefit of the doubt.

So you're taking the BIlls at face value based on what exactly? Their current successes?

It's always about finding that obscure angle that best supports your paranoia isn't it?

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 11 July 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

I trust one group

I don't trust the other group

If you ARE elite....and not trustworthy, you can find a way to win. Ask the Patriots.

If you are mediocre and not trustworthy.....you get what we have seen with the Sabres the past decade+

I'm trying to figure out why Sabres fans seem so intent on defending management no matter what. I think a big part of it is people are spending crazy money on seats and need to feel justified in doing so.....but it also seems we have a lot of white collar types on this board. Are people just so used to being fed BS in the corporate world that they accept the BS when fed to them by the Sabres? I really don't understand it. When the Bills had Donahoe and Modrak, I told them to blow it out their ###. It's not about the team, it's about the people that represent the team that represent my city.

I'd go to war with the Bills and their brass.

I'd hire a lawyer and take 3 showers when dealing with the Sabres over the years. Pegula is a better, but after jumping down the Penn St. rabbit hole, he can spin and scrub as good as anyone out there.

It just sucks to remember who is running the show after I was able to put that aside for a few months and let the transactions speak for themselves.....then the "harmless" reptile opens his mouth and says something and I get mad at myself for giving these guys the benefit of the doubt.



Right.....which is why Darcy exposes himself for the disaster that he is when he calls his Coach elite.

I wasn't taking a snap at Ruff....it was Regier proving in a logical manner that he himself is what is wrong with the team. By using his political, "protect at all costs and just survive" mentality, he just leaves ripe zits out there for fans to pop.....but for some reason it just doesn't get to them.

That you don't trust them does not make them untrustworthy. And that you trust what Ralphy is doing on One Bills Drive doesn't make him trustworthy, either. I just don't get how you can listen to Darcy and Lindy over the last 15 years and not accept that they actually do believe what they are saying. They aren't lying to you about their intentions.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

d4rksabre, on 11 July 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

So you're taking the BIlls at face value based on what exactly? Their current successes?

It's always about finding that obscure angle that best supports your paranoia isn't it?

When Chan Gailey speaks after a game or asseses players, he is totally honest. He is honest about his team as a whole...where they are...where they need to be and has given a running commentary the whole way. When they were hot to start last year, he admitted he didn't know if that group could handle the success. They weren't far off, but he was honest to a fault maybe. You know where you stand with him....can talk openly.....and if as Darcy says....players will complain about their coach when things are going poor or losing.....did you hear 1 of 45+ guys say ANYTHING bad about Gailey? Now how about 5 of the original 20 guys on the roster last year about Ruff (Lieno, Roy, Gragnani, Boyes, Vanek).

Chan is an honest man who admits his own flaws, and wants to understand where his guys are coming from to make them better.

Buddy doesn't spew BS. He evaluates and is honest. He isn't telling everyone they are great. He said 2 years ago they had so many holes, the needed to bring in viable bodies just to get to the point of being able to compete. When he felt they had enough bodies, then it's time to go and make a splash and get some real difference makers in here. That's what he did. Now he knows that on any given Sunday this team at their best can compete with any other team.....not just if they are having an off day, but at their best as well. That's the key. He is brutally honest as well. It isn't a top 5 team yet, but with the moves they made, they position themselves to be one 1-2 years down the road. It was honesty in assesing how bad the team was......asking for real patience, and now you get the honey pot over the next few years hopefully.

When the Bills make a mistake with Nix and Gailey, they admit it, and cut their losses. They don't spin it.

I think the community as a whole has figured it out with the Bills. Say what you want about ralph being cautious at times, but he's got the right guys for the right time in there now. The fans seem to appreciate the honest approach and have some guarded optimisim about their on-field results to follow.

Again.....it's an interesting disconnect with followers of the Sabres. You've seen these people in charge for 15 years. The average marraige in the US doesn't last that long. You should know these people like family at this point if you are anything more than a casual follower.

There are millions of people that have trusted Jim and Tammy Baker, Barak Obama, et al. That doesn't mean that their hearts are pure. It just means they buy enough time and support to stay in power.

I know what I see.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 11 July 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

/snip/
I know what I see.

But, much like the "white collar corporate weenies", what you see is tainted by who you are. And I think you add a tinge of conspiracy to your conclusions that is not supported by anything but weak circumstantial evidence. I trust nix and gailey, but I also trust Ruff and Regier. I think the real question is whether either pair has the skill, not the character, to build a champion.

[apuszczalowski]

I think you are viewing this with too much of a bias because of your hate for the Sabres front office. Just because you don't think Ruff is an elite coach, you assume that Regier is spinning some lie and that theres something up. Maybe he is an elite coach, Regier knows more about what was given to Ruff in the past to work with, and maybe they have seen that what has been put out there for Ruff to work with, he has gotten more out of it then expected. I'm am right in line with you, and deluca, and others in my dislike of Regier, but that comment doesn't bug me and also is not something I would use as a negative against him. yes, both have had 15 years to win it all here in Buffalo, but those 15 years haven't always been the best situations to work in. They were here during the end of the Rigas era, they had success working within the tight budget of Golisano, and now were given a fresh start (according to the owner) with unlimited funding now to work with. Yes last season was a disaster and failure from expectations. Some of it based off of expectations being raised by overspending on Free Agents, but as much as many don't want to use it as an excuse, the team for long stretches of time were hit with injuries and missed alot of key players. The majority of their struggles came at times when they had injuries to key players, and when healthy, they went on a run that was one of the best in the league, and just missed the playoffs in the final 2 games.

I am a fan of Buddy and Chan also, they do sound like they are telling the truth and wouldn't lie or hide anything from you. But they have yet to show anything on the field yet. So far they have been as average as the guys before them (except that it seems they are more of a roller coaster with long winning then long losing streaks instead of just being consistent at being mediocre).

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

LastPommerFan, on 11 July 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

But, much like the "white collar corporate weenies", what you see is tainted by who you are. And I think you add a tinge of conspiracy to your conclusions that is not supported by anything but weak circumstantial evidence. I trust nix and gailey, but I also trust Ruff and Regier. I think the real question is whether either pair has the skill, not the character, to build a champion.

Conspiracy has replaced the word "think" on this board.

Do you want me to come up with Watergate tapes of Darcy and Larry Quinn? What is concrete evidence? A drunk Dr. can mow down a teenage girl and flee the scene then walk. Help me out here?

I know what I see....I know what I know.....I know how I feel.

It all comes down to "do you want to spend your time and $$ supporting THIS?"

If you do...God Bless, free country. If you feel comfortable with the Sabres structure and want to invest in it........then that is why there is a free market. I just also have to question the discernment of those involved in investing in certain markets....that's all. Doesn't mean you are wrong or bad......just means it will take all the longer to fix inefficient and disjointed ideas when those at the top are constantly supported.

apuszczalowski, on 11 July 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

I think you are viewing this with too much of a bias because of your hate for the Sabres front office. Just because you don't think Ruff is an elite coach, you assume that Regier is spinning some lie and that theres something up. Maybe he is an elite coach, Regier knows more about what was given to Ruff in the past to work with, and maybe they have seen that what has been put out there for Ruff to work with, he has gotten more out of it then expected. I'm am right in line with you, and deluca, and others in my dislike of Regier, but that comment doesn't bug me and also is not something I would use as a negative against him. yes, both have had 15 years to win it all here in Buffalo, but those 15 years haven't always been the best situations to work in. They were here during the end of the Rigas era, they had success working within the tight budget of Golisano, and now were given a fresh start (according to the owner) with unlimited funding now to work with. Yes last season was a disaster and failure from expectations. Some of it based off of expectations being raised by overspending on Free Agents, but as much as many don't want to use it as an excuse, the team for long stretches of time were hit with injuries and missed alot of key players. The majority of their struggles came at times when they had injuries to key players, and when healthy, they went on a run that was one of the best in the league, and just missed the playoffs in the final 2 games.

I am a fan of Buddy and Chan also, they do sound like they are telling the truth and wouldn't lie or hide anything from you. But they have yet to show anything on the field yet. So far they have been as average as the guys before them (except that it seems they are more of a roller coaster with long winning then long losing streaks instead of just being consistent at being mediocre).

I hope Schopp asks next time, "WHo else in the NHL is an elite coach?" or if he isn't willing to tell you....."WHo in the past has been an elite coach?"

I would love to hear it.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 11 July 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

Conspiracy has replaced the word "think" on this board.

Do you want me to come up with Watergate tapes of Darcy and Larry Quinn? What is concrete evidence? A drunk Dr. can mow down a teenage girl and flee the scene then walk. Help me out here?

I know what I see....I know what I know.....I know how I feel.

It all comes down to "do you want to spend your time and $$ supporting THIS?"

If you do...God Bless, free country. If you feel comfortable with the Sabres structure and want to invest in it........then that is why there is a free market. I just also have to question the discernment of those involved in investing in certain markets....that's all. Doesn't mean you are wrong or bad......just means it will take all the longer to fix inefficient and disjointed ideas when those at the top are constantly supported.

Sorry, I agree with your assessment of the word "conspiracy" here. I rarely use it, in my post, I intended it for it's literal meaning, that there is a motivation behind closed doors and plan of action that is different and more far reaching than what is portrayed in the public eye. I look at DR/LR and i see two guys with a vision that they believe in, taking the honest steps they deem prudent to achieve that vision. I did not intend for it to replace the word think. My point is go ahead and disagree with their vision, but I find it hard to accept that they have some ulterior motive.

[K-9]

The GM of a sports franchise praises the coach in the same public forum that so many have used to criticize him and it's a violation of some sacred public trust? Really?

GO SABRES!!!

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

LastPommerFan, on 11 July 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

Sorry, I agree with your assessment of the word "conspiracy" here. I rarely use it, in my post, I intended it for it's literal meaning, that there is a motivation behind closed doors and plan of action that is different and more far reaching than what is portrayed in the public eye. I look at DR/LR and i see two guys with a vision that they believe in, taking the honest steps they deem prudent to achieve that vision. I did not intend for it to replace the word think. My point is go ahead and disagree with their vision, but I find it hard to accept that they have some ulterior motive.

I agree that they believe in their vision. I also have expressed before though that Regier is a "survivor" and will do whatever is neccessary to keep his cushy job. So much so that it leaves me questioning how many of these moves so far were because he truly believes these are the right moves for a hockey team, or because someone else is "suggesting" he make these moves. I have given him the benefit of the doubt and have even suggested patience to see what other moves are made since the lightbulb may have gone on. Then he throws around the word "ELITE" to decribe Ruff and claims he is getting better...........and then I hate myself for letting him off the hook.

Survive and collect baby.......survive and collect.........

[nfreeman]

LastPommerFan, on 11 July 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

That you don't trust them does not make them untrustworthy. And that you trust what Ralphy is doing on One Bills Drive doesn't make him trustworthy, either. I just don't get how you can listen to Darcy and Lindy over the last 15 years and not accept that they actually do believe what they are saying. They aren't lying to you about their intentions.

Well said.

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 11 July 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

Conspiracy has replaced the word "think" on this board.

Do you want me to come up with Watergate tapes of Darcy and Larry Quinn? What is concrete evidence? A drunk Dr. can mow down a teenage girl and flee the scene then walk. Help me out here?

I know what I see....I know what I know.....I know how I feel.

It all comes down to "do you want to spend your time and $$ supporting THIS?"

If you do...God Bless, free country. If you feel comfortable with the Sabres structure and want to invest in it........then that is why there is a free market. I just also have to question the discernment of those involved in investing in certain markets....that's all. Doesn't mean you are wrong or bad......just means it will take all the longer to fix inefficient and disjointed ideas when those at the top are constantly supported.

I hope Schopp asks next time, "WHo else in the NHL is an elite coach?" or if he isn't willing to tell you....."WHo in the past has been an elite coach?"

I would love to hear it.

As for the first bolded part -- I hope you're not saying that those who disagree with you about DR and/or LR are not capable of rational thinking.  You are free to question their discernment, just as they are free to question yours.

As for the substance of your criticism of DR -- while I was ready to can him for sitting on his hands all season last year until it was too late, I have never thought of him as anything other than a decent and honorable guy.  And I really don't get your current explosion -- do you really think DR doesn't think LR is an elite coach?

Finally, as to the question of who else is an elite coach -- this very topic was discussed on the interview, when DR mentioned that Babcock has recently been criticized for being too tough on players.

[TrueBluePhD]

I feel as though this exact conversation took place not too long ago.  We desperately need some real news to discuss.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 11 July 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

I agree that they believe in their vision. I also have expressed before though that Regier is a "survivor" and will do whatever is neccessary to keep his cushy job. So much so that it leaves me questioning how many of these moves so far were because he truly believes these are the right moves for a hockey team, or because someone else is "suggesting" he make these moves. I have given him the benefit of the doubt and have even suggested patience to see what other moves are made since the lightbulb may have gone on. Then he throws around the word "ELITE" to decribe Ruff and claims he is getting better...........and then I hate myself for letting him off the hook.

Survive and collect baby.......survive and collect.........

That's it right there, I appreciate that you make me question what I'm seeing. I need that, badly. But you can't agree that they believe in their vision and then two sentences later question whether he actually believes in it. He outright admitted that the team needs to be tougher. He made moves to address that concern both in personnel (Ott) and training (S.E.A.L.s). It is a conspiracy to think he does not believe these things to be right, but is rather colluding with the coach to put together a team that meets the demands of the owner and will win sufficient games to keep their continued employment safe.

[K-9]

nfreeman, on 11 July 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:

Well said.



As for the first bolded part -- I hope you're not saying that those who disagree with you about DR and/or LR are not capable of rational thinking.  You are free to question their discernment, just as they are free to question yours.

As for the substance of your criticism of DR -- while I was ready to can him for sitting on his hands all season last year until it was too late, I have never thought of him as anything other than a decent and honorable guy.  And I really don't get your current explosion -- do you really think DR doesn't think LR is an elite coach?

Finally, as to the question of who else is an elite coach -- this very topic was discussed on the interview, when DR mentioned that Babcock has recently been criticized for being too tough on players.

They also mentioned that a "well-known" FA specifically decided against signing with Detroit because of the reports that Babcock was too tough on his players. Whoever that player is, the Wings are better off without him.

GO SABRES!!!

[Eleven]

TrueBluePhD, on 11 July 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

I feel as though this exact conversation took place not too long ago.  We desperately need some real news to discuss.

In every thread, every day throughout the season.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

nfreeman, on 11 July 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:

Well said.



As for the first bolded part -- I hope you're not saying that those who disagree with you about DR and/or LR are not capable of rational thinking.  You are free to question their discernment, just as they are free to question yours.

As for the substance of your criticism of DR -- while I was ready to can him for sitting on his hands all season last year until it was too late, I have never thought of him as anything other than a decent and honorable guy.  And I really don't get your current explosion -- do you really think DR doesn't think LR is an elite coach?

Finally, as to the question of who else is an elite coach -- this very topic was discussed on the interview, when DR mentioned that Babcock has recently been criticized for being too tough on players.

1) No- not at all....but many throw the word "conspiracy" around for what is actual critical thinking. I think Pommer clarified that he was actually talking about Darcy having some hidden agenda, not using the word to belittle critical thought.

2) So Babcock and Lindy are the 2 elite coaches in the league? That's what I want to know...what is Darcy's definition of elite? Who does he value Ruff's ability along with? Is it 2...5....10...30 coaches? I can see Darcy backpeddling..."Well, just to be able to coach in the NHL makes you elite in some sense because there are only 30 jobs in the world available."

That's what has me going. There isn't one member of the organization that is elite, save Pegula's wallet.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 11 July 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

1) No- not at all....but many throw the word "conspiracy" around for what is actual critical thinking. I think Pommer clarified that he was actually talking about Darcy having some hidden agenda, not using the word to belittle critical thought.

2) So Babcock and Lindy are the 2 elite coaches in the league? That's what I want to know...what is Darcy's definition of elite? Who does he value Ruff's ability along with? Is it 2...5....10...30 coaches? I can see Darcy backpeddling..."Well, just to be able to coach in the NHL makes you elite in some sense because there are only 30 jobs in the world available."

That's what has me going. There isn't one member of the organization that is elite, save Pegula's wallet.

Rip gets good reviews...

[sizzlemeister]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 11 July 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

That's what has me going. There isn't one member of the organization that is elite, save Pegula's wallet.

Medical staff.  Two sliced necks, no deaths.

I would also add RJ, even at his advanced age.

Edited by sizzlemeister, 11 July 2012 - 01:16 PM.

[LGR4GM]

soooo MAG is getting a 2-way deal with Carolina