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#41 TrueBluePhD

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 02:21 PM

View Postnobody, on 27 June 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

Sean Kelso@kelsohockey
#flames acquire and sign Dennis Wideman from the Caps in exchange for Jordan Henry and a 5th pick in 2013 Draft
Wideman signs a 5 year contract with Calgary with an AAV of $5,250,000

Man, that team seriously refuses to just accept inevitability, blow it up, and rebuild from the ground up.  If they did this the right way they could have a decent young team in place in 4 years when Jankowski is finally ready to jump to the NHL (I loved his skill set in the draft, but reality is he's crazy raw and needs a lot of time to develop).  I can't believe Feaster still has a job.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:45 PM

View PostBullwinkle III, on 27 June 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

According to a Dallas hockey writer, the Stars would like to receive a young center for Ott.  How about Adam?  I think he's expendable.
I thought the general consensus around here was that people wouldn't propose trades such as this without using the /sarcasm or some sort of smiley as an indicator that it was obvious that the other team wouldn't go for it?

While I doubt the Sabres would have to give up anything along with Roy to pry Ott away from Dallas, and quite likely Dallas would have to sweeten the offer slightly; I don't see any way that Dallas would give up Ott for Luke Adam.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:46 PM

Is Ott even that good? Someone inform me, I don't think I've watched a Dallas Stars game in five years.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:34 PM

View PostTaro T, on 27 June 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

I thought the general consensus around here was that people wouldn't propose trades such as this without using the /sarcasm or some sort of smiley as an indicator that it was obvious that the other team wouldn't go for it?

While I doubt the Sabres would have to give up anything along with Roy to pry Ott away from Dallas, and quite likely Dallas would have to sweeten the offer slightly; I don't see any way that Dallas would give up Ott for Luke Adam.

I hate smileys.

View Postsabres1970, on 27 June 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

Is Ott even that good? Someone inform me, I don't think I've watched a Dallas Stars game in five years.

Ott's a gritty player who does an adequate job offensively and is tough to play against defensively.  He's had his share of fights, so he would be roughly equivalent to a McCormick - only better in every category.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 05:10 AM

View PostTaro T, on 27 June 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

I thought the general consensus around here was that people wouldn't propose trades such as this without using the /sarcasm or some sort of smiley as an indicator that it was obvious that the other team wouldn't go for it?

While I doubt the Sabres would have to give up anything along with Roy to pry Ott away from Dallas, and quite likely Dallas would have to sweeten the offer slightly; I don't see any way that Dallas would give up Ott for Luke Adam.

While I know I'm wasting my time saying this but I see no way that we could get Ott out of Dallas fairly, in fact I see no reason for them to give up Ott at all, their not rebuilding, their not a cup contender tomorrow either. Ott is a good player for them to get fans in and remain competitive.

I do love how this entire board becomes obsessed with one player over the entire offseason every year. Personnelly if we want that type of player I'd go after the Caps Chimera.

Edited by RazielSabre, 28 June 2012 - 05:14 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2012 - 06:15 AM

View PostBullwinkle III, on 27 June 2012 - 11:34 PM, said:

I hate smileys.



Ott's a gritty player who does an adequate job offensively and is tough to play against defensively.  He's had his share of fights, so he would be roughly equivalent to a McCormick - only better in every category.

Cody McCormick and Steve Ott are very different hockey players.  For one, Steve Ott is actually capable of playing hockey.

View PostRazielSabre, on 28 June 2012 - 05:10 AM, said:

While I know I'm wasting my time saying this but I see no way that we could get Ott out of Dallas fairly, in fact I see no reason for them to give up Ott at all, their not rebuilding, their not a cup contender tomorrow either. Ott is a good player for them to get fans in and remain competitive.

I do love how this entire board becomes obsessed with one player over the entire offseason every year. Personnelly if we want that type of player I'd go after the Caps Chimera.

I blame me.  :angel:

Edited by weave, 28 June 2012 - 06:15 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2012 - 06:21 AM

View Postweave, on 28 June 2012 - 06:15 AM, said:

Cody McCormick and Steve Ott are very different hockey players.  For one, Steve Ott is actually capable of playing hockey.



I blame me.  :angel:
Why not Ott and Chimera? Combined they make slightly more than Roy and bring a ton of what the Sabres are missing.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 06:35 AM

View PostDeLuca67, on 28 June 2012 - 06:21 AM, said:

Why not Ott and Chimera? Combined they make slightly more than Roy and bring a ton of what the Sabres are missing.
I'd agree with Chimera for the 3rd/4th line RW and maybe Ott or someone like him for 4th line C (there are loads of players like him out there). How about Roy and Leopold for Chimera and a 2nd rounder in 2013? We would probably want more from them but I don't know the Caps team well enough atm. Oates in an offensive coach and Roy can put up 70 points and Leopold is a solid 2 way defenseman.

Edited by RazielSabre, 28 June 2012 - 06:49 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2012 - 07:10 AM

View PostDeLuca67, on 28 June 2012 - 06:21 AM, said:

Why not Ott and Chimera? Combined they make slightly more than Roy and bring a ton of what the Sabres are missing.

I'd take Chimera on my team.  I like his game alot.

View PostRazielSabre, on 28 June 2012 - 06:35 AM, said:

I'd agree with Chimera for the 3rd/4th line RW and maybe Ott or someone like him for 4th line C (there are loads of players like him out there). How about Roy and Leopold for Chimera and a 2nd rounder in 2013? We would probably want more from them but I don't know the Caps team well enough atm. Oates in an offensive coach and Roy can put up 70 points and Leopold is a solid 2 way defenseman.

There are not alot of players like Steve Ott.  He's not just a grinder.  If you are just looking for a 4th line C then, yes, there are quite a few of them around.  Ott is capable of more than simply centering a grinder line.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 07:11 AM

View Postweave, on 28 June 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:



I'd take Chimera on my team.  I like his game alot.



There are not alot of players like Steve Ott.  He's not just a grinder.  If you are just looking for a 4th line C then, yes, there are quite a few of them around.  Ott is capable of more than simply centering a grinder line.

I'll take Chimera as well.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 07:13 AM

View Postweave, on 28 June 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

I'd take Chimera on my team.  I like his game alot.



There are not alot of players like Steve Ott.  He's not just a grinder.  If you are just looking for a 4th line C then, yes, there are quite a few of them around.  Ott is capable of more than simply centering a grinder line.

We'll agree to disagree. His a 4th line C/W with more ability than usual, 3rd line C/W at a stretch imho.

As I say, we'll agree to disagree. (I have no doubt we both watched him play last year).

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 07:15 AM

View PostRazielSabre, on 28 June 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

We'll agree to disagree. His a 4th line C/W with more ability than usual, 3rd line C/W at a stretch imho.

As I say, we'll agree to disagree. (I have no doubt we both watched him play last year).

Well, then you watched him play on the 2nd line for a good chunk of last year.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 07:27 AM

View Postweave, on 28 June 2012 - 07:15 AM, said:

Well, then you watched him play on the 2nd line for a good chunk of last year.

Quite frankly with the depth at centre between us and them he could have played 2nd line C for us, thats not saying much. :ph34r:

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 07:49 AM

View Postweave, on 28 June 2012 - 07:15 AM, said:

Well, then you watched him play on the 2nd line for a good chunk of last year.
On a team that missed the playoffs.  Roy played 1st line center as well yet most of us want him as a #3.  I personally don't find Ott all that special either.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 07:58 AM

View PostRazielSabre, on 28 June 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

Quite frankly with the depth at centre between us and them he could have played 2nd line C for us, thats not saying much. :ph34r:

Agreed.  I am not suggesting he is a 2nd line center on a good team. but he's capable of more than centering Cody McCormick and Brandon Prust.

View PostSwampD, on 28 June 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

On a team that missed the playoffs.  Roy played 1st line center as well yet most of us want him as a #3.  I personally don't find Ott all that special either.

I know I am coming off as a fan boi here.  It's not that he's overly special.  It's that he has a set of characteristics that I think are well suited to a hole we have in the team makeup.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 07:59 AM

View Postweave, on 28 June 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Agreed.  I am not suggesting he is a 2nd line center on a good team. but he's capable of more than centering Cody McCormick and Brandon Prust.

And maybe with Ott here, Weber will be even better because Ott's dad will be around to kick his ass.

Edited by SwampD, 28 June 2012 - 07:59 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:05 AM

View PostSwampD, on 28 June 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

And maybe with Ott here, Weber will be even better because Ott's dad will be around to kick his ass.

I don't get it.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:07 AM

View Postweave, on 28 June 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

I don't get it.
http://sabres.nhl.tv...atid=9&id=31043

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:08 AM

View PostSwampD, on 28 June 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:


No video at work.  I'll have to watch when I get home.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:15 AM

View Postweave, on 28 June 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

No video at work.  I'll have to watch when I get home.
Mike lived(s?) with the Otts and Daddy Ott  trained him like he was in the military.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:37 AM

View PostSwampD, on 28 June 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

And maybe with Ott here, Weber will be even better because Ott's dad will be around to kick his ass.

"Even better" would seem to imply Weber was approaching "good" in the first place.  That's how I read it anyway.  And Weber was terrible last year.  Yes he's mean and nasty and not afraid of anybody, but as far as actually playing hockey goes, he stunk.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:06 AM

View PostSwampD, on 28 June 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

And maybe with Ott here, Weber will be even better because Ott's dad will be around to kick his ass.

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 28 June 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

"Even better" would seem to imply Weber was approaching "good" in the first place.  That's how I read it anyway.  And Weber was terrible last year.  Yes he's mean and nasty and not afraid of anybody, but as far as actually playing hockey goes, he stunk.
How's that?  Is that even better?


(I agree, by the way.)

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:07 AM

View PostSwampD, on 28 June 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

How's that?  Is that even better?


(I agree, by the way.)

I apologize for over-analyzing the language there...but yes, much better :P

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:33 AM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 28 June 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

"Even better" would seem to imply Weber was approaching "good" in the first place.  That's how I read it anyway.  And Weber was terrible last year.  Yes he's mean and nasty and not afraid of anybody, but as far as actually playing hockey goes, he stunk.

View PostSwampD, on 28 June 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

How's that?  Is that even better?


(I agree, by the way.)
Please explain what makes Weber so much worse than Regehr?  Weber's +/-?  Regehr reputation?  What is it because basically they both start most shifts in the defensive zone and the only real difference is that Weber played against teams 2nd lines and Regehr against their 1st.   I thought Weber improved last season and settled into a good shutdown role after lindy stopped fucing with his head and benching him for that hack MAG.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 10:23 AM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 28 June 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

"Even better" would seem to imply Weber was approaching "good" in the first place.  That's how I read it anyway.  And Weber was terrible last year.  Yes he's mean and nasty and not afraid of anybody, but as far as actually playing hockey goes, he stunk.

I'd go further, neither he nor Regehr had a good year last year. they shut down the opposition ok but even that they were brilliant at. More should be expected from both this season, much more.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 10:45 AM

Reports that's Sidney Crosby signed an extension worth over 100 million dollars. He better stay healthy... http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399432

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 10:50 AM

View Postsabre snipe, on 28 June 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

Reports that's Sidney Crosby signed an extension worth over 100 million dollars. He better stay healthy... http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399432

You would hope Pens management made 100 doctors confirm that Crosby is over/nearly over his injury problem before they signed him to this deal. Either way, this deal seems fair, he is worth $100 million (comparatively :P)

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:02 AM

View Postsabre snipe, on 28 June 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

Reports that's Sidney Crosby signed an extension worth over 100 million dollars. He better stay healthy... http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399432

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:11 AM

View Postsabre snipe, on 28 June 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

Reports that's Sidney Crosby signed an extension worth over 100 million dollars. He better stay healthy... http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399432



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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:36 AM

Sportsnet saying Crosby contract will be $104 million over 12 years......cannot be announced until July 1

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:09 PM

View Postmillbank, on 28 June 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

Sportsnet saying Crosby contract will be $104 million over 12 years......cannot be announced until July 1

An $8.7mil cap hit, of course.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:11 PM

Cap goes up to 70.2
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399437

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:12 PM

Sometimes I wonder how Pittsburgh can possibly do what they do, having the Crosby/Malkin contracts, offering Staal what they did, and maintaining the rest of the lines with players good enough to compete for a cup every year... It seems like they must be breaking some rule somewhere...

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:14 PM

View Postmillbank, on 28 June 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

Sportsnet saying Crosby contract will be $104 million over 12 years......cannot be announced until July 1

Hmmmm.......that's the next 984 games in Pittsburgh.

104,000,000 divided by 984 divided by 3 = $35,400 or so a period.  or $116,000 a game if he plays or not. :)

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:16 PM

View PostArcsabresfan41, on 28 June 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Sometimes I wonder how Pittsburgh can possibly do what they do, having the Crosby/Malkin contracts, offering Staal what they did, and maintaining the rest of the lines with players good enough to compete for a cup every year... It seems like they must be breaking some rule somewhere...

It's a pretty big drop off after that though. It's those 2, 3 guys at $5M and then no one else on the team is above $3.75M. The Sabres, For instance, have 9 players at $4M or higher.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:16 PM

View PostThirtyEight, on 28 June 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:


I don't understand how the NHL can announce a new salary cap with the CBA coming up. Why not just have it default to its current level and change it when the new CBA is agreed on?

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:20 PM

View PostX. Benedict, on 28 June 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

Hmmmm.......that's the next 984 games in Pittsburgh.

104,000,000 divided by 984 divided by 3 = $35,400 or so a period.  or $116,000 a game if he plays or not. :)

If he were to suffer a career ending injury next year, he wouldn't count against the cap, but he would still get paid every dime of the $104.4M. Guaranteed Contracts for the Win.

View Postd4rksabre, on 28 June 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

I don't understand how the NHL can announce a new salary cap with the CBA coming up. Why not just have it default to its current level and change it when the new CBA is agreed on?

Because any reduction in the salary cap would be accompanied by a equal reduction in every player's salary. This keeps the % of cap each player takes up the same before and after. So we can work to 70.2, then after the CBA, each salary will just be rolled back to whatever number. So every team will still be under the cap.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:25 PM

View PostLastPommerFan, on 28 June 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

It's a pretty big drop off after that though. It's those 2, 3 guys at $5M and then no one else on the team is above $3.75M. The Sabres, For instance, have 9 players at $4M or higher.

Welcome back LPF.  I missed you for the half day you were running the spelling class.

So, seems that what you are saying is that the Penguins are getting much better return for the players below their top tier, since they have a cup to their credit and spending less than the Sabres to do it.

View PostLastPommerFan, on 28 June 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

If he were to suffer a career ending injury next year, he wouldn't count against the cap, but he would still get paid every dime of the $104.4M. Guaranteed Contracts for the Win.

I didn't think there were guaranteed contracts in the NHL.  If so, why do the teams "insure" the contracts in case of injury.  Maybe I have it all wrong?

Edited by Sabres Fan In NS, 28 June 2012 - 12:34 PM.


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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:29 PM

View PostSabres Fan In NS, on 28 June 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

I didn't think there were guaranteed contracts in the NHL.  If so, why do the teams "insure" the contracts in case of injury.  Maybe I have it all wrong?

All NHL contracts are guaranteed.  They insure them so if an injury happens then the insurance company pays out the money rather than the team.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:30 PM

View PostLastPommerFan, on 28 June 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

If he were to suffer a career ending injury next year, he wouldn't count against the cap, but he would still get paid every dime of the $104.4M. Guaranteed Contracts for the Win.



Because any reduction in the salary cap would be accompanied by a equal reduction in every player's salary. This keeps the % of cap each player takes up the same before and after. So we can work to 70.2, then after the CBA, each salary will just be rolled back to whatever number. So every team will still be under the cap.

I think I understand. If you're a player and you get a big pay-day in FA aren't you going to be real pissed off if your salary gets rolled back down?