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#1 Spndnchz

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:32 PM

Post your official Sabres first round and second-round picks here. We'll split off into pinned threads for each Sabres pick and/or trade.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:41 PM

I'm far too optimistic to make legitimate predictions about the sabres here, so I'm just gonna wait and see where the cards lay.  Always one of my favorite days of the summer though.  Let's bring home somethin nice Darcy :beer:

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:50 PM

Anyone going to the party at the arena?

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 12:26 AM

I kinda feel like too much exposure has been given to the NHL draft.  After the first couple of picks, it's all a crap shoot with a bunch of teenagers.  Posters will pontificate to no end about kids who nobody has any idea about.  They have tried to make it like the NFL draft, but there is a 5-8 year age difference.  It's a lot easier to project a 23 year old vs a 17 year old kid.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 12:46 AM

I know I'll be pontificating.
Likely targets Maata at 12, then we'll try to trade up from 21 for Girgensons.
But I really like Kevin Allen's mock: Grigorenko at 12, Slater Koekkoek at 21.
There are so many players I like in the top 20 and quite a few I like who are ranked further down that I see as sleepers.
Unless we reach badly, I figure on going to bed happy with our picks.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 01:09 AM

I am going Faksa (our 1st plus a 2nd to trade up and get him) and Pearson with the 21st pick.

I am going to Jersey so I wont get to watch the draft, hopefully the Sabres make something happen.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 01:19 AM

View Postinkman, on 22 June 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

I kinda feel like too much exposure has been given to the NHL draft.  After the first couple of picks, it's all a crap shoot with a bunch of teenagers.  Posters will pontificate to no end about kids who nobody has any idea about.  They have tried to make it like the NFL draft, but there is a 5-8 year age difference.  It's a lot easier to project a 23 year old vs a 17 year old kid.

True, but they are just following the MLB who aired their 1st Round out of 30 or so rounds on their Network.

Only the 1st Round is getting any real attention from the media, 2-7 are on NHL Network which is their channel.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 05:44 AM

View Postinkman, on 22 June 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

I kinda feel like too much exposure has been given to the NHL draft.  After the first couple of picks, it's all a crap shoot with a bunch of teenagers.  Posters will pontificate to no end about kids who nobody has any idea about.  They have tried to make it like the NFL draft, but there is a 5-8 year age difference.  It's a lot easier to project a 23 year old vs a 17 year old kid.

Yep.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 05:47 AM

If the Sabres walk away from the first round drafting at #12 and #21 it will be a huge disappointment.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 07:18 AM

Assuming Faksa and Teravainen are gone at #12 I'd like to see them pass up on D and take Girgensons.

At #21 I'd prefer Gaunce, Laughton or Jankowski, but think that if Wilson is there he's who they will pick.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 07:21 AM

View PostDeLuca67, on 22 June 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

If the Sabres walk away from the first round drafting at #12 and #21 it will be a huge disappointment.

Yes it will.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 08:09 AM

View PostDeLuca67, on 22 June 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

If the Sabres walk away from the first round drafting at #12 and #21 it will be a huge disappointment.

If Darcy said he won't move up because he doesn't like the prospects this year, why would he be content with picking two middle round players?

What will end up Happening is we will trade for some old veteran who can't play anymore and then some 3rd line center from a crappy team and Darcy will try and convince the team that we are better then last year.

When will management realize we need a superstar, not just  a team full of 3rd liners and average players? The Bills finally figured this out (see: Mario Williams)

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 08:16 AM

View Postinkman, on 22 June 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

I kinda feel like too much exposure has been given to the NHL draft.  After the first couple of picks, it's all a crap shoot with a bunch of teenagers.  Posters will pontificate to no end about kids who nobody has any idea about.  They have tried to make it like the NFL draft, but there is a 5-8 year age difference.  It's a lot easier to project a 23 year old vs a 17 year old kid.

Agreed - I only really watch to see if any trades are being made.  That's where the real interest is to me. The rest, as you state, is a crap shoot.


Oh, one more thing - boys, when you are picked in the first round by a team, PLEASE don't spend ten minutes hugging relatives and friends!  Hug Dad, kiss Mom and go put on the jersey.  You can hug cousin Milo later...

Edited by Sabre Dance, 22 June 2012 - 08:16 AM.


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Posted 22 June 2012 - 08:25 AM

View PostOverPowerYou, on 22 June 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

If Darcy said he won't move up because he doesn't like the prospects this year, why would he be content with picking two middle round players?
He didn't say that.

Devine said something along the lines of there not being consensus top players and the dropoff between 1-20 not being that great this year. So to have to spend both picks to move up to get a guy top 5 who might either be there at #12 or as good as the guy they'll get at #12 doesn't make sense.

Edited by Lanny, 22 June 2012 - 08:30 AM.


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Posted 22 June 2012 - 08:39 AM

View Postinkman, on 22 June 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

I kinda feel like too much exposure has been given to the NHL draft.  After the first couple of picks, it's all a crap shoot with a bunch of teenagers.  Posters will pontificate to no end about kids who nobody has any idea about.  They have tried to make it like the NFL draft, but there is a 5-8 year age difference.  It's a lot easier to project a 23 year old vs a 17 year old kid.

I think half the fun of being a fan is pontificating about things you don't know a ton about.  The entire NHL season is a crapshoot, yet most people still have opinions on how things will play out and what teams will do this or that, based on information which isn't any better than reading some scouting reports.  


View PostDeLuca67, on 22 June 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

If the Sabres walk away from the first round drafting at #12 and #21 it will be a huge disappointment.

View PostEleven, on 22 June 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

Yes it will.

I think it depends how things play out.  If one of the big names (Staal, Ryan, Nash) get moved for a package that the Sabres could have matched without entirely gutting the organization or a very good 3rd line center gets moved for a middle pick and prospect, then yes, that will be cause for disappointment and/or frustration.  On the other hand, I have no interest in trading every valuable asset the Sabres have for a single player.  Maybe we can improve the team and still use both first round picks?  We do have roster players and NHL-ready prospects to trade.  I don't think that would be the worst thing in the world.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 08:52 AM

Dreger Tweet: "Hoping this isn't the case, but could be quiet day on trade front. Not many top end guys avail and too many teams involved."

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 08:57 AM

View PostLanny, on 22 June 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

Dreger Tweet: "Hoping this isn't the case, but could be quiet day on trade front. Not many top end guys avail and too many teams involved."

It'll break eventually. This draft is not all that promising after Yakupov and Murray (maybe I'm wrong on that, not an expert, but that's what it seems like). Teams will get desperate. Especially because the UFA market isn't awesome either.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:03 AM

View PostDeLuca67, on 22 June 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

If the Sabres walk away from the first round drafting at #12 and #21 it will be a huge disappointment.

Generally, I agree, unless Galchenyuk's injury/Russian blood somehow causes him to fall to #12 and the Sabres take him.  Don't see it happening, but you never know.  Not crazy about most Russians, but the kid is American born, will play for America internationally, and is (likely) going to be a very good center with a very complete game.  After that, there are some players that should be available at #21 that would be nice to have in the system.  I'd at least wait until 7/2 before any disappointment started creeping in under that scenario.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:11 AM

View Postcarpandean, on 22 June 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

Generally, I agree, unless Galchenyuk's injury/Russian blood somehow causes him to fall to #12 and the Sabres take him.  Don't see it happening, but you never know.  Not crazy about most Russians, but the kid is American born, will play for America internationally, and is (likely) going to be a very good center with a very complete game.  After that, there are some players that should be available at #21 that would be nice to have in the system.  I'd at least wait until 7/2 before any disappointment started creeping in under that scenario.

  Never knew he was american born. Why do people refer to him as Russian? I get the name thing but I think the chances of this kid bolting to the K.H.L. are slim if he's American. I don't see the risk others have alluded to.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:21 AM

View Postbunomatic, on 22 June 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:

  Never knew he was american born. Why do people refer to him as Russian? I get the name thing but I think the chances of this kid bolting to the K.H.L. are slim if he's American. I don't see the risk others have alluded to.
He was born in Milwaukee while his father was playing there, but mostly lived in Russia until he was 16 and came over to play in Juniors here. Not that different from Yakupov or Grigorenko.


Edited by Lanny, 22 June 2012 - 09:23 AM.


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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:26 AM

View PostTrueBluePhD, on 22 June 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

I think half the fun of being a fan is pontificating about things you don't know a ton about.  The entire NHL season is a crapshoot, yet most people still have opinions on how things will play out and what teams will do this or that, based on information which isn't any better than reading some scouting reports.  




I think it depends how things play out.  If one of the big names (Staal, Ryan, Nash) get moved for a package that the Sabres could have matched without entirely gutting the organization or a very good 3rd line center gets moved for a middle pick and prospect, then yes, that will be cause for disappointment and/or frustration.  On the other hand, I have no interest in trading every valuable asset the Sabres have for a single player.  Maybe we can improve the team and still use both first round picks?  We do have roster players and NHL-ready prospects to trade.  I don't think that would be the worst thing in the world.

It will be frustrating if some other team makes a move that the Sabres could have made.  It will be disappointing if no move is made, regardless of whether another team makes a move that the Sabres could have made.  Not as in "I'm disappointed in Regier," but just disappointed.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:32 AM

View PostDeLuca67, on 22 June 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

If the Sabres walk away from the first round drafting at #12 and #21 it will be a huge disappointment.
You Disapointed? That never happens...................

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:36 AM

View Postbunomatic, on 22 June 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:

  Never knew he was american born. Why do people refer to him as Russian? I get the name thing but I think the chances of this kid bolting to the K.H.L. are slim if he's American. I don't see the risk others have alluded to.

Not to mentioned he committed to the US international program (could have gone with Russia or US, went with US).  I see zero risk in him leaving.  Even Grigorenko....Dmitri Chesnokov (Yahoo's Russian hockey writer) said there has been zero interest from KHL teams in making a pitch, nor does he expect there to be. This stuff is oberblown.


View PostEleven, on 22 June 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

It will be frustrating if some other team makes a move that the Sabres could have made.  It will be disappointing if no move is made, regardless of whether another team makes a move that the Sabres could have made.  Not as in "I'm disappointed in Regier," but just disappointed.

Got ya, and I mostly agree...but I'll wait to see any particular moves before I decide whether the Sabres should have done it, since I don't necessarily believe any move they can make they should make, if that makes sense.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:45 AM

I believe Buffalo is going to make a good trade today with their 21st, 2nd rounders and some core player.

Also they are going to pick Radek Faksa at 12th or move up a little higher just to get him.

By the end of day Mcnabb, Roy, Sekera and possibly Stafford with be gone.


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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:57 AM

View Postsabres13, on 22 June 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

I believe Buffalo is going to make a good trade today with their 21st, 2nd rounders and some core player.

Also they are going to pick Radek Faksa at 12th or move up a little higher just to get him.

By the end of day Mcnabb, Roy, Sekera and possibly Stafford with be gone.

:rolleyes:

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:58 AM

View Postsabres13, on 22 June 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

I believe Buffalo is going to make a good trade today with their 21st, 2nd rounders and some core player.

Also they are going to pick Radek Faksa at 12th or move up a little higher just to get him.

By the end of day Mcnabb, Roy, Sekera and possibly Stafford with be gone.

Bold and ballsy prediction.  I like it.  Knowing Darcy, I agree that he won't want to move #12 and is more likely to package #21 with one or more players (Roy + D-man) for a forward with some size.  But, who can we realistically get for that price?  Personally, I doubt it will be one of the "big" names that are being thrown around (Ryan, Nash, Stasny, etc.).

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 10:01 AM

View Postsabres13, on 22 June 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

I believe Buffalo is going to make a good trade today with their 21st, 2nd rounders and some core player.

Also they are going to pick Radek Faksa at 12th or move up a little higher just to get him.

By the end of day Mcnabb, Roy, Sekera and possibly Stafford with be gone.

Agree to some extent.
I speculate that the 21st and the two 2nd rounders are the picks being dangled.
I don't believe McNabb is going anywhere but the roster this up coming season, but Roy, Sekera, Stafford, yes, I can see them possibly moved.
Also Leopold, and surprisingly to a larger extent, I can see Vanek being dangled for a 1 on 1 trade.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 10:08 AM

WGR just said that Darcy received an offer to actually move DOWN in the draft (it would involve our second first round pick) but he turned it down.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 10:21 AM

View Postsabres1970, on 22 June 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

WGR just said that Darcy received an offer to actually move DOWN in the draft (it would involve our second first round pick) but he turned it down.

Kevin Snow also mentioned Darcy is worried about messing with chemistry of the team.  Also mentioned how the team looks at pairs of players rather than lines (Vanek Pominville, Stafford Ennis)

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 10:28 AM

View Postnobody, on 22 June 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

Kevin Snow also mentioned Darcy is worried about messing with chemistry of the team.  Also mentioned how the team looks at pairs of players rather than lines (Vanek Pominville, Stafford Ennis)

Yeah, why mess with success?  :rolleyes:

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 10:38 AM

Yes....that loss of Gaustad really screwed up the chemistry.

I actually feel sorry for Darcy. he's been here so long he really is in a no win position.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 10:38 AM

Links up on Sabres site of interview with Darcy by Kevin Snow:

Audio:
http://sabres.nhl.co...id=16&iid=39901

Video:
http://video.sabres....bed-share-video

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 10:52 AM

I'm not buying Regier's line of expecting to pick all 4 picks in the first 2 rounds one bit.
He's working an angle, appears to want to hang on to Foligno, Ennis and Stafford and is waiting until the draft this evening to make a move in my opinion.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:04 AM

View PostGhost of Dwight Drane, on 21 June 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Anyone going to the party at the arena?

Got me some locker room tour tickets.  :flirt:

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:10 AM

View PostHopefulFuture, on 22 June 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

I'm not buying Regier's line of expecting to pick all 4 picks in the first 2 rounds one bit.
He's working an angle, appears to want to hang on to Foligno, Ennis and Stafford and is waiting until the draft this evening to make a move in my opinion.
i think all the GMs are waiting until atleast a couple hours before teh draft starts to come down a bit on the asking prices and get serious about making a move. ts one big game of chicken that the GMs play during the year (before the draft, before July 1, and at the deadline). You hold out til you get what you want and if no one bites you take the best one before the deadline.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:15 AM

View PostBMWR100RT, on 22 June 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:

Yes....that loss of Gaustad really screwed up the chemistry.

I actually feel sorry for Darcy. he's been here so long he really is in a no win position.

Messing with chemistry is such a broad explanation. It coukd be just ad much about who you bring in as opposed to who goes out. Just try to picture what bringing in a guy like Sean Avery would do to chemistry.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:17 AM

View PostDeLuca67, on 22 June 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

If the Sabres walk away from the first round drafting at #12 and #21 it will be a huge disappointment.

Picking is always a good option.
It really depends who falls to #12 and #21.

Personally, I don't see much movement this draft in terms of trades. I think we'll see more action next week.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:23 AM

it cannot be escaped that the coming cba negotiations are oncoming and general managers to make present moves must somehow factor into what will be composition of the new cba.  It very well  be for many while they very much would like to make moves via trades ect, the most  prudent this to do is  sit tight and await what new cba will be. Boring perhaps for the present but necessary and wise perhaps.

canada's sportsnet saying Flyers and Columbus in negotiations with Columbus goaltender going  to Flyers, deal in works not a done deal yet

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:32 AM

Bobrovsky to Columbus for three draft picks. Confirmed by Dreger

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:34 AM

View Postspndnchz, on 22 June 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

Bobrovsky to Columbus for three draft picks. Confirmed by Dreger

Isolated incident or do the floodgates open now?