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[kishoph]

Myers suspended for 3 games, what a freakin joke.

[pegs4mayor]

I hope he comes back with a vengence

[X. Benedict]

I'm not surprised by the suspension. I'm surprised by the 3 games. I figured one or two.

[LGR4GM]

so Shanahan can suck it. I have lost faith in him.  Lucic injures Miller and gets 0games. Myers runs over a little p.o.s. who is fine and gets 3?  ###### YOU SHENANIGANS ###### YOU.

[Claude_Verret]

Horseshit!

[ThirtyEight]

Seems very harsh. The fact they mention he has no history suggests if it was someone with a history it would be 5+

I would have given him 1.

What are the chances this kills Myers ever so slightly developing physical game?

[gramps]

George McPhee just picked up Shanny's bill at the Boca Raton Club ...

[sabre snipe]

######INGG PRICK SHANAHAN GO SUCK A ######INGG DICK AND CHOKE ON IT.  3 games for that is ABSURD

[Robviously]

kishoph, on 13 March 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Myers suspended for 3 games, what a freakin joke.

This is total BS.  How did Lucic get zero games?  This is THREE???

Pegula should request an MRI on Shanahan's brain.  You gotta wonder if he may have suffered some concussions during his career....

[nobody]

So Mike Green also get 3 games where they take into account that he has been fined and suspended in his career.  But Myers gets 3 games where they take into account that he hasn't been fined or suspended (but Gomez is injured?)

[North Buffalo]

Shanny's is a joke and so the officiating of the whole league.  The is a crap deal.  Next time Myers needs to give Shanny a reason to suspend him like ending that POS Gomez pathetic career.

He does this but doesn't suspend Lucic or Chara, give me a break.

[wallybarthman]

That's crap. Shanahan is as dumb as it gets. He gave Mike Green three games for a deliberate blow to the head and Meyers got three. How can we not see the fact that certain teams and players get treated differently?

I just don't get it.

Shanahan's problem is that he let Lucic go un-suspended and now he looks like a coward every time he touches a Sabres player.  He should be fired - I'm sorry, incompetence like this demonstrates an inability to do your job right.  It's a tough job, but he blew it this season and lost all credibility and continues to show that he cannot fairly and adequately to the job.  Green's hit was far worse and he was a repeated offender - same punishment.  Sorry Shanny, looks like you guys want the Caps in the play offs more than the Sabres.

Edited by wallybarthman, 13 March 2012 - 06:02 PM.

[LGR4GM]

I call ###### or as my 87yr old grandma would say... "that's a crock of sh!t"

[Taro T]

nobody, on 13 March 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

3 games for that hit? (plus his past talk; of course)

crazy


Here's the Shanny video

http://video.nhl.com...id=60&id=164475

They gave him 3 games taking into consideration that Myers has no history of suspendable offenses.  How many games would he have gotten if he'd ever BEEN suspended in the past?

They also considered Gomez to have been 'injured.'  He returned to the game 3 minutes later and there is no indication that he suffered an 'injury' in the Yahoo writeup of the game.  How much longer would the suspension have been if Gomez suffered an actual injury?

Interesting.

Edit:  Just watched the Green hit.  In that one, 'Connolly was shaken up but returned to the game so he was not injured.'  What am I missing on the definition of 'injury?'

Edited by Taro T, 13 March 2012 - 06:03 PM.

[X. Benedict]

Taro T, on 13 March 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

They gave him 3 games taking into consideration that Myers has no history of suspendable offenses.  How many games would he have gotten if he'd ever BEEN suspended in the past?

They also considered Gomez to have been 'injured.'  He returned to the game 3 minutes later and there is no indication that he suffered an 'injury' in the Yahoo writeup of the game.  How much longer would the suspension have been if Gomez suffered an actual injury?

Interesting.

Hard to say...part of me thinks it may be a way to show Gomez the door. If he's indeed concussed that might be his last NHL play...not because of the injury, but because I can't imagine him on an opening day roster at his price point.

[North Buffalo]

Interesting that Myers likely replacement is McNabb who actually does hit and is more than likely to injur one of his precious Tampa Bay players.  This should be interesting Shanny you hypocrit.

[Taro T]

X. Benedict, on 13 March 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

Hard to say...part of me thinks it may be a way to show Gomez the door. If he's indeed concussed that might be his last NHL play...not because of the injury, but because I can't imagine him on an opening day roster at his price point.

If he's concussed, and I haven't seen any outlet claiming he is, how the heck did he get allowed back into the game 3 minutes later?

The league's procedures require him to spend 15 minutes going through the concussion testing procedure if the Habs suspect a concussion.

[North Buffalo]

Anyone know how to login in to post a comment on the NHL's website if you are a member?

[TrueBluePhD]

TrueBluePhD, on 13 March 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

It's almost impossible to figure out what the NHL is going to do with any given hit.  I can easily picture a Shamahan video where any of the reasons for a suspension or no discipline discussed here are used.  The height factor, malicious intent after taking a high stick, the quick turn, the follow through....it's like they decide supplemental discipline with the draft lottery machine, just instead of numbers they have justifications and whatever pops up determines if there's a suspension.

I guess they gave us the same ping pong balls as in the Crosby lottery

Objectively, I have no problems with a suspension.  However, 3 games for a guy with zero history is excessive, especially when the player wasn't injured (which I still think should not matter AT ALL, but it does, so yea).

[IKnowPhysics]

BS.
Let's go apples to apples:

Myers' hit, 3 games: http://video.nhl.com...id=60&id=164475

The hit by Rene Bourque on Brent Seabrook was very similar and only received 2 games (Seabrook wasn't injured): http://video.nhl.com...id=60&id=143498
The hit by Lucic on Rinaldo was very similar (Rinaldo wasn't injured), and despite Lucic's longer suspension history than Myers, he only received 1 game: http://video.nhl.com...id=60&id=143408
The hit by Letang on Burmistrov was very similar (Burmistrov wasn't injured), and despite Letang's longer suspension history than Myers, he only received 2 games: http://video.nhl.com...id=60&id=128880

Shanahan's math, or Shanamath:

Bourque:
+2 games for boarding
+0 games for injury
+0 games for suspension history
+0 games for Calgary
= 2 games

Lucic:
+2 games for boarding
+0 games for injury
+1 games for suspension history
-2 games for Boston
= 1 game

Letang:
+2 games for boarding
+0 games for injury
+1 games for suspension history
-1 games for Pittsburgh
= 2 games

Myers:
+2 games for boarding
+1 game for injury
+0 games for no suspension history
+0 games for Buffalo
= 3 games

[That Aud Smell]

On the new mobile, so not sure how this will work.

I thought he'd get 2. For whatever reason, 3 seems over the top.

It also seems -- seems -- to be an individualized message to a towering youngster: Hey kid. You're a big man who is going to get bigger. You can't line up guys like that and run them from behind. Someone might die.

Of course, that's fundamentally inconsistent with how Chara is treated.

*Sigh*

But, hey -- Mario Williams!!!

[CallawaySabres]

It's just so pathetically predictable....NOT a good time to lose Myers

[qwksndmonster]

That Aud Smell, on 13 March 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

On the new mobile, so not sure how this will work.

I thought he'd get 2. For whatever reason, 3 seems over the top.

It also seems -- seems -- to be an individualized message to a towering youngster: Hey kid. You're a big man who is going to get bigger. You can't line up guys like that and run them from behind. Someone might die.

Of course, that's fundamentally inconsistent with how Chara is treated.

*Sigh*

But, hey -- Mario Williams!!!

Don't remind me. I don't wanna get my hopes up.

[tiredsounds]

he got three games because gomez was injured as a result of the hit. he returned to the game but felt bad afterwards and is supposedly undergoing tests today in montreal. if gomez hadn't been injured i doubt myers would've been given 3 games. my problem with the ruling and the issue that i've had from the start of the season is that there is still no concrete standard for determining punishments. the nhl needs to draft a solid list of criteria that makes a hit a suspendible one. taking into account all factors, (injury, intent, etc) and sticking to it, no matter what players are involved.

[qwksndmonster]

tiredsounds, on 13 March 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

he got three games because gomez was injured as a result of the hit. he returned to the game but felt bad afterwards and is supposedly undergoing tests today in montreal. if gomez hadn't been injured i doubt myers would've been given 3 games. my problem with the ruling and the issue that i've had from the start of the season is that there is still no concrete standard for determining punishments. the nhl needs to draft a solid list of criteria that makes a hit a suspendible one. taking into account all factors, (injury, intent, etc) and sticking to it, no matter what players are involved.

Interesting. Where did you hear this?  I still think that 3 games is a little harsh even if Gomez is hurt.  If he really is concussed then X is probably right.

[wonderbread]

It's a shame that the rulings are so inconsistent. This continues to further the perception that this is a garage league.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

He forgot to tell shanny that he didn't mean to do it.

[Taro T]

tiredsounds, on 13 March 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

he got three games because gomez was injured as a result of the hit. he returned to the game but felt bad afterwards and is supposedly undergoing tests today in montreal. if gomez hadn't been injured i doubt myers would've been given 3 games. my problem with the ruling and the issue that i've had from the start of the season is that there is still no concrete standard for determining punishments. the nhl needs to draft a solid list of criteria that makes a hit a suspendible one. taking into account all factors, (injury, intent, etc) and sticking to it, no matter what players are involved.

Which means that Moe-ray-all should get fined themselves for not caring about the safety of their own player.  They sent him back into that game 3 minutes of game time after he came out of the game.  There is no ###### way that he was evaluated at the time of the hit.

[LaFontaineToMogilny]

LastPommerFan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

He forgot to tell shanny that he didn't mean to do it.

Who can blame him? If I had a chance to talk to Shanahan on the phone I'd tell him to go ###### himself and leave it at that.

[macsabre]

LastPommerFan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

He forgot to tell shanny that he didn't mean to do it.

I think he would have to do more.....   Another inconsistent call.

[Rayzer32]

So the last Sabres game against the leagues sweetheart team, the Bruins, Kaleta gets hit from behind (can't remember which scumbag Bruins douchebag it was) and is injured. He missed the entire third period and the next game. No penalty was called, let alone any review or hearing. This league continues to be the model for inconsistency.

[TrueBluePhD]

Don't forget Phaneuf's 5 minute boarding penalty on Kassian that didn't even earn a phone call from the league.  I'm more pissed about this now than when I first heard about it.  It's absolutely ridiculous how bad this league is.

Can anybody find another player that was suspended 3 games for a 1st offense?  Anyone?  

And the fact he was injured should have absolutely nothing to do with it, nor should intent.  All that should matter is the hit itself, whether it was illegal or not.  If I was speeding but don't cause an accident, could I tell the officer that nobody was hurt so I should get off?  It's absurd.  Punish the act, not the result, and certainly not the intent which is 100% impossible to determine with certainty.  I hate this league sometimes.

[wonderbread]

Taro T, on 13 March 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

Which means that Moe-ray-all should get fined themselves for not caring about the safety of their own player.  They sent him back into that game 3 minutes of game time after he came out of the game.  There is no ###### way that he was evaluated at the time of the hit.

Spot on. They should lose a draft pick as discipline for neglecting safety concerns.

[LGR4GM]

personally I hope gomez has a concussion because I hate him.  Yea, Im gonna be that guy.

[TrueBluePhD]

LGR4GM, on 13 March 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

personally I hope gomez has a concussion because I hate him.  Yea, Im gonna be that guy.

Don't feel bad, the entire city of Montreal probably feels the same.

[Taro T]

TrueBluePhD, on 13 March 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

Don't forget Phaneuf's 5 minute boarding penalty on Kassian that didn't even earn a phone call from the league.  I'm more pissed about this now than when I first heard about it.  It's absolutely ridiculous how bad this league is.

Can anybody find another player that was suspended 3 games for a 1st offense?  Anyone?  

And the fact he was injured should have absolutely nothing to do with it, nor should intent.  All that should matter is the hit itself, whether it was illegal or not.  If I was speeding but don't cause an accident, could I tell the officer that nobody was hurt so I should get off?  It's absurd.  Punish the act, not the result, and certainly not the intent which is 100% impossible to determine with certainty.  I hate this league sometimes.

Agree with the rest of your post, but in cases where intent is obvious or lack of intent is obvious it should be a mitigating factor.  If intent isn't clear, then it shouldn't factor in; but oftentimes it can be determined.

I still remember a few years back when Gilmour came back for his 1st game against the Sabres in '01.  He flew across the entire width of the ice to lay Varada out.  Clearly intentional and IIRC no suspension was handed out, though there should have been one.

[LGR4GM]

TrueBluePhD, on 13 March 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

Don't feel bad, the entire city of Montreal probably feels the same.

awesome.

Seriously though Shenanigans is a failure.  An Epic failure.  The good news is the hockey world takes yet another dump on Buffalo.  I need to sign off, this just makes me angry considering the number of twice as egregious boardings that Sabres players have taken with not even a phone call.

[wyldnwoody44]

I wonder who's paying shanny off....I mean honestly,  there's absolutely no justification for this,  1 game,  ok sure. 2 games,  pushing it.  But 3!!!!!  I honestly think an investigation should be started on this.  There's something going in behind the scenes and its not fair or justified. Shanny......F*ck U!!!!!!

[TrueBluePhD]

Taro T, on 13 March 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

Agree with the rest of your post, but in cases where intent is obvious or lack of intent is obvious it should be a mitigating factor.  If intent isn't clear, then it shouldn't factor in; but oftentimes it can be determined.

I still remember a few years back when Gilmour came back for his 1st game against the Sabres in '01.  He flew across the entire width of the ice to lay Varada out.  Clearly intentional and IIRC no suspension was handed out, though there should have been one.

Fair enough, if intent is clear then I could live with it.  I think that's probably a minority of cases though.

[TheMadCap]

Wow, that BLOWZ! However, Myers was pissed and drilled the guy unneccesarily. He needs to be smarter and be more under control than that. I hate it, and think it was about two games too many, but what can you do?