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[That Aud Smell]

as one of the beat writers pointed out on twitter (and maybe upthread?), shanahan will likely weigh this incident as well (even if not expressly):



p.s. isn't the hit on zubrus a little reminiscent of the nystrom-letang incident?

[Tyrannustyrannus]

shrader, on 13 March 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

So you really want to compare the face-to-face hit on Pacioretty to this one?  Talk about intent or interference, you have an argument.  But don't go comparing that to a hit from behind with a boarding call.

  

I wasn't really trying to compare the two, I was pointing out how frustrating it is that Myers is up for a hit that goes unpunished every night while players like Chara get away with attempted murder because they have Star Factor or play in Philly and Boston
.

[korab rules]

MattPie, on 13 March 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

I'd dig up video of the hit from behind Kaleta took a few games ago and bring that in, and ask what's different.

That one was nasty, as were several other along the way starting with Gaustad in the pre-season.

The NHL is a joke.

[SwampD]

d4rksabre, on 13 March 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

You guys are nuts if you don't think that is suspension worthy. Gomez has his back to Myers the whole time watching the puck and Myers just lights him up.

2-3 games.

I agree, but whatever Meyers gets, f### Gomez.

[d4rksabre]

SwampD, on 13 March 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

I agree, but whatever Meyers gets, f### Gomez.

I'll drink to that.

[Spndnchz]

korab rules, on 13 March 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

That one was nasty, as were several other along the way starting with Gaustad in the pre-season.

The NHL is a joke.

This one?

[shrader]

MattPie, on 13 March 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

I'd dig up video of the hit from behind Kaleta took a few games ago and bring that in, and ask what's different.

There's no need to dig up the video.  It seems like it happens to Kaleta nearly every game.  Their random phone call reviews for these hits are odd.  It almost seems like they're randomly pulling in a guy or two each week just as a way of sending a "hey guys, be careful" message.  There won't be any suspension here.

[That Aud Smell]

spndnchz, on 13 March 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

This one?

hay-zeus cripes.

shrader, on 13 March 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

There won't be any suspension here.

i say 2 games, thereby putting the -pricious in capricious.

[radiomike]

rickshaw, on 13 March 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

Another reason this league is a joke. That's a boarding penalty. No hit to the head. A board.
This crap goes on every night with nothing and now Myers gets summoned?

What an effing joke.

I agree - I'm struggling with the logic string here.  Isn't this why the boarding rule exists?  It was a penalty and it was called.  Incidents like Lucic blowing up Miller and Chara nearly killing a guy, along woth more egregious acts should absolutely be reviewed.  This was boarding.  What next, he's going to start reviewing tripping penalties?  Those can be dangerous too.

[korab rules]

spndnchz, on 13 March 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

This one?

That's the one - at leas as bad as Mysie's hit on Gomez, right?  But it wasn't reviewed.  Hence my frustration.

I don't even think anyone can legitimately argue that Gomez is a star.

[nfreeman]

Tyrannustyrannus, on 13 March 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

I wasn't really trying to compare the two, I was pointing out how frustrating it is that Myers is up for a hit that goes unpunished every night while players like Chara get away with attempted murder because they have Star Factor or play in Philly and Boston
.

Please.  Again, you are far from the only one making this claim, but it's just ridiculous.  Marchand and Ference both play in Boston and both were suspended earlier this year.  So was Ovechkin for that matter.

[korab rules]

MattPie, on 13 March 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

I'd dig up video of the hit from behind Kaleta took a few games ago and bring that in, and ask what's different.

This is a great idea and something every team should have a guy dedicated to doing - collect video of similar hits from around the league that aren't punished and ship them off to shanny and release them on their website every time a player gets called in for a hearing.  whip the fans into a frenzy - its the only thing the league understands.

Punish all of them or none of them - this inconsistency has to stop.

[shrader]

nfreeman, on 13 March 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

Please.  Again, you are far from the only one making this claim, but it's just ridiculous.  Marchand and Ference both play in Boston and both were suspended earlier this year.  So was Ovechkin for that matter.

There is plenty of support out there for the idea that there is in fact bias towards Boston and Philly (who just happen to have the two highest profile owners in the league).  Marchand left them no choice and Ference is hardly a suspsension that is going to turn heads.

It's tough to go back and find these things, but there was quite a bit of chatter earlier in the year questioning what Boston had to do.  It has died down a bit thanks to Marchand, but the questions still seem valid to me.  I think the "protect the goalies" outrage was what really shifted the focus for Boston.

[Captain Caveman]

When I saw the hit last night I thought it definitely looked suspension worthy.  I was a little surprised he got up as quickly as he did.  I also though it was funny how the Montreal players on the ice went after Kaleta instead of Myers.  What was that about?

[rbochan]

The way the Habs dive, Gomez should get a suspension.

[Eleven]

Myers is nervous about the hearing:  http://wgr550.com/Sa...earing/12534123

[TrueBluePhD]

Assuming he gets suspended, I really hope this doesn't cause him to dial back his play.  I've loved the way he's been playing lately (the style, if not all of the decision making) and I'd hate to see that revert backwards.

[LTS]

radiomike, on 13 March 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

I agree - I'm struggling with the logic string here.  Isn't this why the boarding rule exists?  It was a penalty and it was called.  Incidents like Lucic blowing up Miller and Chara nearly killing a guy, along woth more egregious acts should absolutely be reviewed.  This was boarding.  What next, he's going to start reviewing tripping penalties?  Those can be dangerous too.

He does review tripping penalties.. for the most part they review pretty much everything.

This was on NHL Network last night.. give it a watch:  http://video.nhl.com...tid=2&id=164172

I would expect a fine.. not sure about a suspension but you never know.. nothing surprises me with discipline these days.

[Eleven]

Buffalo Sabres ‏ @BuffaloSabres
Tyler Myers had his hearing with the league at 1 p.m.; no indication on when a ruling will come down.--^ks


Time to keep refreshing twitter.

[Peppy22]

I think itll be 2... 3 if shanahan hates the sabres and wants him out for the important game against tampa

[BuffalOhio]

shrader, on 13 March 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

There are two things that could get him here.
1.  The high follow through with the arms
2.  They could make the claim that it looked like he was out for blood after taking the stick to the face on the initial hit seconds earlier

Agree with both points.  I was worried it was gonna be a major.  Hopefully not a suspension, but didn't he have a hearing already this year?  1 game, me thinks.

[Spndnchz]

Shanahan putting on his lipstick and mascara aws.

[Eleven]

spndnchz, on 13 March 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

Shanahan putting on his lipstick and mascara aws.

Yep.  That's why we haven't heard anything yet.

[nfreeman]

shrader, on 13 March 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

There is plenty of support out there for the idea that there is in fact bias towards Boston and Philly (who just happen to have the two highest profile owners in the league).  Marchand left them no choice and Ference is hardly a suspsension that is going to turn heads.

It's tough to go back and find these things, but there was quite a bit of chatter earlier in the year questioning what Boston had to do.  It has died down a bit thanks to Marchand, but the questions still seem valid to me.  I think the "protect the goalies" outrage was what really shifted the focus for Boston.

How can these questions seem valid?  These are allegations that the league favors one team over the rest!  This is nothing more than a whacked-out conspiracy theory.  It doesn't hold water and frankly is beneath you and many of the other posters in this thread.

[Eleven]

nfreeman, on 13 March 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

How can these questions seem valid?  These are allegations that the league favors one team over the rest!  This is nothing more than a whacked-out conspiracy theory.  It doesn't hold water and frankly is beneath you and many of the other posters in this thread.

It isn't tantamount to a conspiracy theory or accusations of favoritism.  In my mind, it's similar to saying "the good teams get the calls." The league is conditioned to seeing Bruins and Flyers act like thugs and doesn't react the same way, would be the theory.  And I don't really think it's beneath anyone to say so.

EDIT:  Or at least, my position isn't that there's deliberate favoritism (now that Campbell is gone, anyway).  I really can't and shouldn't speak for others.

Edited by Eleven, 13 March 2012 - 01:33 PM.

[inkman]

Eleven, on 13 March 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Myers is nervous about the hearing:  http://wgr550.com/Sa...earing/12534123

Hopefully opposing players will be the nervous ones in the future of getting their faces bounced of the end boards.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

nfreeman, on 13 March 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

How can these questions seem valid?  These are allegations that the league favors one team over the rest!  This is nothing more than a whacked-out conspiracy theory.  It doesn't hold water and frankly is beneath you and many of the other posters in this thread.

I agree, I think it is much more likely that the League makes a lot of errors and has huge inconsistency, but we only see it when A) it involves our players being punished and B) it involves a high profile player/team getting away with something. If our players commit a violation, and go unpunished, we dont really notice, and if a player on a high profile team is suspended, we don't really care unless we play them during the suspension.

That the league is as inconsistent as it is, is still a problem, IMO.

[Claude_Verret]

Eleven, on 13 March 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

It isn't tantamount to a conspiracy theory or accusations of favoritism.  In my mind, it's similar to saying "the good teams get the calls." The league is conditioned to seeing Bruins and Flyers act like thugs and doesn't react the same way, would be the theory.  And I don't really think it's beneath anyone to say so.

I agree, and it wouldn't really be the league anyway, right?  Isn't Shannahan judge, jury and executioner in these matters?

[shrader]

Eleven, on 13 March 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

It isn't tantamount to a conspiracy theory or accusations of favoritism.  In my mind, it's similar to saying "the good teams get the calls." The league is conditioned to seeing Bruins and Flyers act like thugs and doesn't react the same way, would be the theory.  And I don't really think it's beneath anyone to say so.

We're a couple years removed from an NBA ref admitting to trying to fix games.  Then there was the Roger Goodell-Michael Vick thing.  To think that any league might do things to favor the big money markets?  That gun has plenty of ammo in it.


edit: But to be fair to Shanny, most of these questions do date back to Colin Campbell.

Edited by shrader, 13 March 2012 - 01:36 PM.

[nfreeman]

Eleven, on 13 March 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

It isn't tantamount to a conspiracy theory or accusations of favoritism.  In my mind, it's similar to saying "the good teams get the calls." The league is conditioned to seeing Bruins and Flyers act like thugs and doesn't react the same way, would be the theory.  And I don't really think it's beneath anyone to say so.

EDIT:  Or at least, my position isn't that there's deliberate favoritism (now that Campbell is gone, anyway).  I really can't and shouldn't speak for others.

But Philly and Boston have each been hit with 3 suspensions, more (I think) than any other team.

I apologize for smearing you with the broad brush.  I do believe though that most of the complaints in this thread are more along the lines of conspiracy/favoritism theories and I expect better from this group.

LastPommerFan, on 13 March 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

I agree, I think it is much more likely that the League makes a lot of errors and has huge inconsistency, but we only see it when A) it involves our players being punished and B) it involves a high profile player/team getting away with something. If our players commit a violation, and go unpunished, we dont really notice, and if a player on a high profile team is suspended, we don't really care unless we play them during the suspension.

That the league is as inconsistent as it is, is still a problem, IMO.

I agree that there is plenty of inconsistency and that this is a real problem.  I don't understand how the hit on Gaustad wasn't suspension-worthy, and there are myriad other examples.

Claude_Verret, on 13 March 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

I agree, and it wouldn't really be the league anyway, right?  Isn't Shannahan judge, jury and executioner in these matters?

I think he's the head of a 3-person panel that reviews questionable hits and makes the decisions.

[Eleven]

Akinator just guessed Tyler Myers correctly (for the unfamiliar, google it or buy it at the App Store).  One of the questions was NOT "has your character ever been suspended."

nfreeman, to your point, they may have three suspensions each.  How many should they have?

[Claude_Verret]

nfreeman, on 13 March 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

  I think he's the head of a 3-person panel that reviews questionable hits and makes the decisions.

Thanks.  That at least makes me feel a little better about the process, but not much.

[Rayzer32]

MattPie, on 13 March 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

I'd dig up video of the hit from behind Kaleta took a few games ago and bring that in, and ask what's different.

That hit came against Boston. Kaleta was injured and there was no penalty or talk of a review....big surprise.

[Eleven]

What the hell is taking so long?

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

Eleven, on 13 March 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

What the hell is taking so long?

Video explaining 12 game suspension of kaleta for the myers hit.

[Spndnchz]

Eleven, on 13 March 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

What the hell is taking so long?

A watched pot....

[gramps]

C'mon Shanny - give him a game now so he sits for the Avalanche and is back for Florida and Tampa.

[nobody]

spndnchz, on 13 March 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

A watched pot....

But we don't want that pot to boil - so then we need to keep watching it!  

[gramps]

WTF - 3 games just announced ! Perfect frickin timing Shanny ...

[nobody]

3 games for that hit? (plus his past talk; of course)

crazy


Here's the Shanny video

http://video.nhl.com...id=60&id=164475

Edited by nobody, 13 March 2012 - 05:47 PM.