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[sabres26]

I knew Myers would have a hearing today.. Damnitttt.  http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=622014

[Spndnchz]

Myers faces the possibility of supplemental discipline for the hit he delivered against Gomez.  If I remember this hit right Gomez backed right into Myers on this one.  Myers was only about a foot away when Gomez turns.  I don't think Gomez ever saw him.

[SDS]

How can Myers have a hearing when Myers never hits anyone?

[Spndnchz]

[korab rules]

What a freaking load of crap - that hit happens damn near every game and he never lifts a finger.  Kaleta got slammed into the boards from behind on a much worse hit a couple games ago and no review - a sabre does it to someone, and Shanny immediately reviews it.  I always hated that DB - he's no better than that DB Campbell - he just has a better resume.

[NowDoYouBelieve]

Can we give Brad Boyes stilts and a blonde wig and send him to take the suspension instead?

[wonderbread]

NowDoYouBelieve, on 13 March 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

Can we give Brad Boyes stilts and a blonde wig and send him to take the suspension instead?

Nice.

[carpandean]

Probably still would have been interference had Gomez turned up ice like you would expect instead of turning back to face puck, but it wouldn't have been bording.  Tough call on that one.  Hope it's short, if anything.

[Suffer_enuff]

Shoot, if Myers put Gomez out of the game (which he didn't), he'd be doing the Canadiens a favor.  Gomez has been a slug for the last year.  Whomever Montreal would bring in/up to replace him would be miles better....

[DR HOLLIDAY]

NowDoYouBelieve, on 13 March 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

Can we give Brad Boyes stilts and a blonde wig and send him to take the suspension instead?

Can Brad type, he could just stay on as Shanny's secretary.......Is it possible to whiff on a Memo?

[bunomatic]

Shanny really looks up to Myers. He just wants his John Henry.

[nfreeman]

korab rules, on 13 March 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

What a freaking load of crap - that hit happens damn near every game and he never lifts a finger.  Kaleta got slammed into the boards from behind on a much worse hit a couple games ago and no review - a sabre does it to someone, and Shanny immediately reviews it.  I always hated that DB - he's no better than that DB Campbell - he just has a better resume.

This post is not your finest hour.

As for the hit, it would definitely be suspension-worthy IMHO if Gomez hadn't turned his back to Myers at the last second.  I'll guess that the late turn by Gomez, along with what I think is a clean record for Myers, will preclude a suspension.

[shrader]

nfreeman, on 13 March 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

This post is not your finest hour.

As for the hit, it would definitely be suspension-worthy IMHO if Gomez hadn't turned his back to Myers at the last second.  I'll guess that the late turn by Gomez, along with what I think is a clean record for Myers, will preclude a suspension.

There are two things that could get him here.
1.  The high follow through with the arms
2.  They could make the claim that it looked like he was out for blood after taking the stick to the face on the initial hit seconds earlier

[waldo]

SDS, on 13 March 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

How can Myers have a hearing when Myers never hits anyone?

good point...

maybe Shan just wants a date

Edited by waldo, 13 March 2012 - 09:08 AM.

[wallybarthman]

As long as he gets the same as Lucic I think it's fair

(null)

[Claude_Verret]

shrader, on 13 March 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

There are two things that could get him here.
1.  The high follow through with the arms
2.  They could make the claim that it looked like he was out for blood after taking the stick to the face on the initial hit seconds earlier

Yes, this will not reflect well as he was clearly pissed /frustrated after just taking a stick to the squash.

[Eleven]

nfreeman, on 13 March 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

This post is not your finest hour.

As for the hit, it would definitely be suspension-worthy IMHO if Gomez hadn't turned his back to Myers at the last second.  I'll guess that the late turn by Gomez, along with what I think is a clean record for Myers, will preclude a suspension.

shrader, on 13 March 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

There are two things that could get him here.
1.  The high follow through with the arms
2.  They could make the claim that it looked like he was out for blood after taking the stick to the face on the initial hit seconds earlier

I think the "follow through" is arguably an effort to minimize contact; Myers props himself up on the boards, letting Gomez under him.  At least that's what I'd argue.  And there's a late turn.

But I have no problem with what korab said, either.  I'm perceiving a double standard in this league.  The teams that are reputedly "tougher" seem to get away with a lot more than the teams that are reputedly "softer."  If it's Hartnell, it's just a Flyer being a Flyer, you know, but if it's some guy from a "finesse" team, well, we'd better look into it.

[Taro T]

shrader, on 13 March 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

There are two things that could get him here.
1.  The high follow through with the arms
2.  They could make the claim that it looked like he was out for blood after taking the stick to the face on the initial hit seconds earlier

On point 1, they have never once blamed Chara for that.  The bar for giants has been set a bit higher than for normal sized players, so I don't think that gets him to the suspension.

IF he gets suspended, I'd expect point 2 factors in heavily.

My guess is that he doesn't get suspended as Gomez was turning at the time and didn't end up severely injured.

[shrader]

Taro T, on 13 March 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

On point 1, they have never once blamed Chara for that.  The bar for giants has been set a bit higher than for normal sized players, so I don't think that gets him to the suspension.

IF he gets suspended, I'd expect point 2 factors in heavily.

My guess is that he doesn't get suspended as Gomez was turning at the time and didn't end up severely injured.

But Chara is exempt due to the superstar clause.  I wish I was joking when I say that, but I'm not.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

My guess is a fine, they don't want to disrupt the storyline that is the sabres resurgence. I nice fine will let them send a message without affecting the product on the ice. IMO the hit was suspension worthy. he sees gomez's numbers the entire time and still follows through. He may have expected him to turn, but not turning toward the hit is different than turning away from it.

[apuszczalowski]

Sabre Dance, on 13 March 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

Shoot, if Myers put Gomez out of the game (which he didn't), he'd be doing the Canadiens a favor.  Gomez has been a slug for the last year.  Whomever Montreal would bring in/up to replace him would be miles better....

Are we sure the hearing is for discipline? He may be going to receive an award from the Canadians and their fans for doing them a favour.

Myers should have just tried to decapitate Gomez, or say he didn't mean to do it, that seemed to work in the past.............

[That Aud Smell]

spndnchz, on 13 March 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

Myers faces the possibility of supplemental discipline for the hit he delivered against Gomez.  If I remember this hit right Gomez backed right into Myers on this one.  Myers was only about a foot away when Gomez turns.  I don't think Gomez ever saw him.

not a telephone hearing either. sh!t.

shrader, on 13 March 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

There are two things that could get him here.
1.  The high follow through with the arms
2.  They could make the claim that it looked like he was out for blood after taking the stick to the face on the initial hit seconds earlier

#2 was clearly a causal factor to the run he took. i think that may get him a game or 2.

again, sh!t.

[Eleven]

Aud, where are you learning that it's an in-person hearing?  That's bad news.

[That Aud Smell]

Eleven, on 13 March 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

Aud, where are you learning that it's an in-person hearing?  That's bad news.

my bad. i inferred that it was an in-person hearing based on the press release that i saw (which didn't say either way). in the past, i thought that  the press release would qualify the announcement with telephonic hearing, if that is what they're having. but, given the timing (i.e., today), i now take it that he's having the hearing by phone.

Edited by That Aud Smell, 13 March 2012 - 09:44 AM.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

That Aud Smell, on 13 March 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

my bad. i inferred that it was an in-person hearing based on the press release that i saw (which didn't say either way). in the pats, thought that  the press release would qualify the announcement with telephonic hearing, if that is what they're having. but, given the timing (i.e., today), i now take it that he's having the hearing by phone.

Or Shanny's hopping on the QEW.

[2ForTripping]

watch the video again closely.  the boarding call should've never been called. campoli high sticks 57 right in the yap and that never gets called . all in all the stripes have been bad all season long

[Punch]

LastPommerFan, on 13 March 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

Or Shanny's hopping on the QEW.

Shanahan was in Florida for the GM's meetings yesterday, so assuming he's still there, that may have something to do with a telephone hearing.

Edited by Punch, 13 March 2012 - 09:52 AM.

[rickshaw]

Another reason this league is a joke. That's a boarding penalty. No hit to the head. A board.
This crap goes on every night with nothing and now Myers gets summoned?

What an effing joke.

[TrueBluePhD]

It's almost impossible to figure out what the NHL is going to do with any given hit.  I can easily picture a Shamahan video where any of the reasons for a suspension or no discipline discussed here are used.  The height factor, malicious intent after taking a high stick, the quick turn, the follow through....it's like they decide supplemental discipline with the draft lottery machine, just instead of numbers they have justifications and whatever pops up determines if there's a suspension.

[Glass Case Of Emotion]

TrueBluePhD, on 13 March 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

It's almost impossible to figure out what the NHL is going to do with any given hit.  I can easily picture a Shamahan video where any of the reasons for a suspension or no discipline discussed here are used.  The height factor, malicious intent after taking a high stick, the quick turn, the follow through....it's like they decide supplemental discipline with the draft lottery machine, just instead of numbers they have justifications and whatever pops up determines if there's a suspension.

And the top teams are much less likely to have their names come up.

[nfreeman]

rickshaw, on 13 March 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

Another reason this league is a joke. That's a boarding penalty. No hit to the head. A board.
This crap goes on every night with nothing and now Myers gets summoned?

What an effing joke.

Rickshaw -- you're certainly not the only one frustrated by this, but that was a dangerous play, albeit mitigated IMHO by Gomez turning his back at the last moment.  There have been plenty of suspensions handed down this year for similar plays.  If the roles had been reversed and it had been a Sabre that got rammed into the boards from behind like that I'd want a hearing and I suspect many others would as well.

Edit:  and the calls of a conspiracy theory or unequal treatment for certain teams coming from many here are just silly.

Edited by nfreeman, 13 March 2012 - 10:09 AM.

[korab rules]

nfreeman, on 13 March 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

Rickshaw -- you're certainly not the only one frustrated by this, but that was a dangerous play, albeit mitigated IMHO by Gomez turning his back at the last moment.  There have been plenty of suspensions handed down this year for similar plays.  If the roles had been reversed and it had been a Sabre that got rammed into the boards from behind like that I'd want a hearing and I suspect many others would as well.

Edit:  and the calls of a conspiracy theory or unequal treatment for certain teams coming from many here are just silly.

As to the first bold, you are absolutely correct - there have been plenty of of suspensions for similar plays, but there have been more that were flat out ignored - many of them committed against buffalo players.  The inconcistency fuels the conspiracy.  In a kangaroo league like the NHL where in game screw ups that decide championships are covered up after the fact is it really surprising that they would have a credibility issue?

[d4rksabre]

You guys are nuts if you don't think that is suspension worthy. Gomez has his back to Myers the whole time watching the puck and Myers just lights him up.

2-3 games.

[shrader]

2ForTripping, on 13 March 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

watch the video again closely.  the boarding call should've never been called. campoli high sticks 57 right in the yap and that never gets called . all in all the stripes have been bad all season long

That hit still happens whether or not the call is made on Campoli.  At best, Montreal gained possession right before Myers hit Gomez.  It would never have been whistled dead until that moment.

[Tyrannustyrannus]

Chara gets away with this every night.  He almost killed Max Pacioretty and got nothing.  If Myers gets a suspension, he probably deserves it, but when it happens every night and nothing happens it gets really frustrating.

[shrader]

Tyrannustyrannus, on 13 March 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

Chara gets away with this every night.  He almost killed Max Pacioretty and got nothing.  If Myers gets a suspension, he probably deserves it, but when it happens every night and nothing happens it gets really frustrating.

So you really want to compare the face-to-face hit on Pacioretty to this one?  Talk about intent or interference, you have an argument.  But don't go comparing that to a hit from behind with a boarding call.

[inkman]

It kinda looks like Tyler tried to force him down rather than into the boards.  That being said, I'll take a 5 game suspension if he does that to Marchand (hopefully with more carnage).

[nfreeman]

korab rules, on 13 March 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

As to the first bold, you are absolutely correct - there have been plenty of of suspensions for similar plays, but there have been more that were flat out ignored - many of them committed against buffalo players.  The inconcistency fuels the conspiracy.  In a kangaroo league like the NHL where in game screw ups that decide championships are covered up after the fact is it really surprising that they would have a credibility issue?

I think someone would need to attack Kaleta with a hatchet before the NHL would step in.

inkman, on 13 March 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

It kinda looks like Tyler tried to force him down rather than into the boards.  That being said, I'll take a 5 game suspension if he does that to Marchand (hopefully with more carnage).

Lucic?  Myers already crushed Marchand twice in the last game.

[TrueBluePhD]

nfreeman, on 13 March 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

Lucic?  Myers already crushed Marchand twice in the last game.

Yea, but it didn't result in injury

Not that I want the guy's career threatened....but I would be curious how much larger that beak of a nose could get if it were broken.

[MattPie]

shrader, on 13 March 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

So you really want to compare the face-to-face hit on Pacioretty to this one? Talk about intent or interference, you have an argument. But don't go comparing that to a hit from behind with a boarding call.

I'd dig up video of the hit from behind Kaleta took a few games ago and bring that in, and ask what's different.