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#1 JJFIVEOH

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 06:01 PM

So it's gotten to the point where there's only three players left who still play for Lindy. Gerbe, Pominville and Vanek. Vanek has gotten a few untimely penalties lately although I think a couple have been rather questionable. So Lindy responds by benching Vanek. Are you kidding me? Vanek has done his best to bail out this pathetic team all year, the least he could ask for is the penalty kill to bail him out. If Vanek deserves to be benched for penalties then Roy, Stafford and Boyes deserve to be scratched for the remainder of the season just for being completely inept. Most of the team has given up playing for Lindy and he's going to go out of his way to alienate one of the few players who still put out? Just want to say atta boy Lindy, you sure have your priorities straight.

Rant over.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 06:06 PM

So it's gotten to the point where there's only three players left who still play for Lindy. Gerbe, Pominville and Vanek. Vanek has gotten a few untimely penalties lately although I think a couple have been rather questionable. So Lindy responds by benching Vanek. Are you kidding me? Vanek has done his best to bail out this pathetic team all year, the least he could ask for is the penalty kill to bail him out. If Vanek deserves to be benched for penalties then Roy, Stafford and Boyes deserve to be scratched for the remainder of the season just for being completely inept. Most of the team has given up playing for Lindy and he's going to go out of his way to alienate one of the few players who still put out? Just want to say atta boy Lindy, you sure have your priorities straight.

Rant over.


If I were the GM I would have fired him on the spot. Literally, called down from the owners box and fired him and would have told him to leave the bench and arena immediately. IMHO, you never send a message by benching, arguably, your best player. You chew his ass out in private if you want, but you never want to try to loose a game, or make it look obvious that you are.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 06:41 PM

What are the chances Leo can submarine the old bastard one more time in practice?

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 06:48 PM

Are we sure that Vanek is healthy?

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 06:50 PM

Are we sure that Vanek is healthy?

They were saying on tv he might be hurt, but after the game i think ruff came out and said he punished him a little bit.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 07:06 PM

They were saying on tv he might be hurt, but after the game i think ruff came out and said he punished him a little bit.


Ok, I saw him go down pretty hard behind the net in the second and with how he was out just a little while ago I guess I just thought it might be injury related...........Thanks for clearing it up man.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 07:07 PM

If I heard it correctly, Ruff railed on about the stupid penalties and apparently Vanek was his first casualty of a new found intolerance for them.

I get what he's trying to do but Vanek is a lousy first choice for bringing the hammer down. No sense breaking down one of the few that aren't mailing it in.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 07:07 PM

Yup, Lindy said he was sending a message and that he's had talks with Vanek about his penalties. Maybe he figured he was wasting his time trying to send a message to the floaters. If you know you're losing (or already lost) your team, don't go pissing off what's left!

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 07:17 PM

Yup, Lindy said he was sending a message and that he's had talks with Vanek about his penalties. Maybe he figured he was wasting his time trying to send a message to the floaters. If you know you're losing (or already lost) your team, don't go pissing off what's left!

This is deja vu. Ruff not going as hard on certain guys as he does with others, and all we can guess is, he knows which guys will listen and which ones won't. But the same exact elephant sits under the table in discussions like this. Basically, if you have players that don't listen, either they need to go or YOU do (as coach). There should be NO third option that involves both of you staying. The fact that this third option continues year after agonizing year makes me respect Lindy Ruff less and less.

Edited by TheChimp, 18 February 2012 - 07:18 PM.


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Posted 18 February 2012 - 08:13 PM

So it's gotten to the point where there's only three players left who still play for Lindy. Gerbe, Pominville and Vanek. Vanek has gotten a few untimely penalties lately although I think a couple have been rather questionable. So Lindy responds by benching Vanek. Are you kidding me? Vanek has done his best to bail out this pathetic team all year, the least he could ask for is the penalty kill to bail him out. If Vanek deserves to be benched for penalties then Roy, Stafford and Boyes deserve to be scratched for the remainder of the season just for being completely inept. Most of the team has given up playing for Lindy and he's going to go out of his way to alienate one of the few players who still put out? Just want to say atta boy Lindy, you sure have your priorities straight.

Rant over.

I think more players are still playing than just 26, 42 & 29. I think most of the D are putting forth effort and guys like Ennis, Kassian, and others haven't mailed it in. It just feels like it's a perfect storm of ineptitude, apathy, and over compensation by the players who are doing the right things that's got this team where it is at. Not that it's news, but a shakeup is needed. If I were Ted & Terry, I would just eliminate any room for error and make wholesale changes with both players and Lindy/Darcy. Find someone who's known to build organizations and give them the reigns, sooner rather than later.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 08:38 PM

I think this whole topic belongs in weave's "losing plan" thread. I understand the benching (kinda) but why TF does Vanek have to earn his way back to the first line? What a load of ch!t. What, is he a kid that has to prove himself? Have others earned it more? The more I think about this whole thing, it really feels like they are trying to lose. They have to be, don't they? I mean, Lindy couldn't be that out of touch, could he?.. could he?

(I wish I could measure Ghost's blood pressure as he reads this)

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 08:43 PM

I think more players are still playing than just 26, 42 & 29. I think most of the D are putting forth effort and guys like Ennis, Kassian, and others haven't mailed it in. It just feels like it's a perfect storm of ineptitude, apathy, and over compensation by the players who are doing the right things that's got this team where it is at. Not that it's news, but a shakeup is needed. If I were Ted & Terry, I would just eliminate any room for error and make wholesale changes with both players and Lindy/Darcy. Find someone who's known to build organizations and give them the reigns, sooner rather than later.


I was pointing out the obvious ones. Yes I know there are others who actually care, but the point was that list seems to be getting smaller and smaller and Lindy is foolish to be alienating the few he has left.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 08:48 PM

Vanek needs to tell t pegs he is availble to be traded if it helps the team. (he may want to tell him he would consider blending a lower salary number with a contract extension as part of a deal to go to the right team) It would probably do Lindy a world of good if Vanek left. He has been reaming Vanek out publically for years.I. am worried about Lindy's health. All Vanek has done in response to the abuse is put up 25-30 +numbers while playing on a very average team, that has yet to replace critical pieces, including a center , that left four years ago.A team that cannot figure out how to reconstruct the pp they used to have.Lindy is a bully... .he has yet to learn that yelling at people in public does not make a player better, it just makes them not want to play for you.Vanek is as hard on himself as any player on this team. He probably plays hurt more often than most players on the roster..You do not make a personality like Vanek better by yelling. It probably has more of a negative impact. You make him better by surrounding him with talent capable of making it fun to play the game. AGAIN!


I think this whole topic belongs in weave's "losing plan" thread. I understand the benching (kinda) but why TF does Vanek have to earn his way back to the first line? What a load of ch!t. What, is he a kid that has to prove himself? Have others earned it more? The more I think about this whole thing, it really feels like they are trying to lose. They have to be, don't they? I mean, Lindy couldn't be that out of touch, could he?.. could he?

(I wish I could measure Ghost's blood pressure as he reads this)


yes he is...that out of touch...

Edited by waldo, 19 February 2012 - 07:36 AM.


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Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:02 PM

I was pointing out the obvious ones. Yes I know there are others who actually care, but the point was that list seems to be getting smaller and smaller and Lindy is foolish to be alienating the few he has left.

Agreed. I think he's handled Vanek foolishly from the on set of his career.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:13 PM

Clearly Ruff is at the end of his rope. His line juggling and mismanagement of his team have confounded me for quite some time. Now he benches one of the only guys that actually put their body on the line to succeed but doesn't bench Roysie when he continually screws up taking lazy penalties and turning over the puck. The other night ( I think it was the Philly game ) Roy took a tripping penalty behind the Flyers net. The guy is a tool. I hope Regier loses sleep at night thinking about this collection of players ( I won't call them a team )he's assembled.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 01:22 AM

Vanek is not healthy and hasn't been totally injury free most of the season.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:45 AM

Just another idiotic move by an idiot coach, to sit your teams top goal scorer (I know Pommers has 1 more goal) for more than a half a period when you're fighting for your playoff life for a penalty that was marginal at best. Then to make matters even worse he only gave Ennis 1 more shift (no idea why) after he sat Vanek. When Roy takes his next Stupid penalty, will Lindy sit him ? I doubt it very much. I may get redundant in saying this, but Lindy has to go.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:18 AM

You are seriously missing the point. You don't bench Roy because you are hoping he plays well enough to get traded for something better than an old zamboni.. Vanek isn't going anywhere, neither is Ennis, so they can sit.

In theory I don't have a problem with the benching of Vanek, the penalties are stupid. Still, there are other plays I would bench first for being equally as stupid or worse on the ice... I guess you can't bench everyone.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:41 AM

You are seriously missing the point. You don't bench Roy because you are hoping he plays well enough to get traded for something better than an old zamboni.. Vanek isn't going anywhere, neither is Ennis, so they can sit.

In theory I don't have a problem with the benching of Vanek, the penalties are stupid. Still, there are other plays I would bench first for being equally as stupid or worse on the ice... I guess you can't bench everyone.



This was not the 1st time Vanek has been singled out, nor Ennis, It's when you do things like bench 1 player for something and not bench another player for the same thing, is when you start losing the team, this is nothing new for Lindy, he has always had favorites and used double standards, which has led to where he is now, with no control over his team. If your boss shits on you for doing something and allows a co worker to do the same thing without any repercussions, are you going to work hard for him ? This team will never play for him, even his "pet" Miller said how calm and organized it seemed when Patrick was in control behind the bench. During the Flyers game did it seem like Lindy had any control of the bench or even himself ?

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:44 AM

Brooks did it with Eruzione, and I'll bet every coach in the league does something similar.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 02:30 PM

You are seriously missing the point. You don't bench Roy because you are hoping he plays well enough to get traded for something better than an old zamboni.. Vanek isn't going anywhere, neither is Ennis, so they can sit.

In theory I don't have a problem with the benching of Vanek, the penalties are stupid. Still, there are other plays I would bench first for being equally as stupid or worse on the ice... I guess you can't bench everyone.

LOL is that the new reason we've allowed ourselves to believe when we see Roy ###### up and Lindy send him out on the very next shift? It's now because we're shopping him....yesssss, yesssss, shopping him.... I like it.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 06:16 PM

Vanek is like 2nd on our team in PIM and he doesn't have a single fighting major or 10 minute misconduct. IMO the benching is a month or 2 late

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 07:01 PM

benching Vanek just shows how Lindys time has come to go anywhere else PLEASE

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 07:06 PM

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Gaustad and Kaleta lead #Sabres forwards in TOI with 13:16 through two periods. They've been good today but still.... Lindy?

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All -- i get that 28/36 playing Malkin line.....just saying the big guns don't play enough and other teams checkers don't always lead in TOI

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 07:21 PM

Vanek is like 2nd on our team in PIM and he doesn't have a single fighting major or 10 minute misconduct. IMO the benching is a month or 2 late


I like how Lindy articulated why the penalty like Vanek's was called. He wasn't blaming the ref, but making his player accountable. I completely disagree with how he handled it. I'm starting to feel sorry for Vanek. If it is at all possible to empathize with an uber-rich pro player. Either Vanek or Lindy needs to go, for this guys career. Lindy made his bed with Roy, Pegula said he ain't going anywhere. So please Buffalo let this guy off the hook.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:43 PM

Mike Harrington @BNHarrington
Gaustad and Kaleta lead #Sabres forwards in TOI with 13:16 through two periods. They've been good today but still.... Lindy?

Mike Harrington @BNHarrington
All -- i get that 28/36 playing Malkin line.....just saying the big guns don't play enough and other teams checkers don't always lead in TOI


Did Mr. Harrington see the final score? And did he tweet thereafter?

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:46 PM

Did Mr. Harrington see the final score? And did he tweet thereafter?


He did tweet after the game but conveniently didn't touch the subject of Vanek's ice time. :P

I think his point is generally valid though.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:48 PM

He did tweet after the game but conveniently didn't touch the subject of Vanek's ice time. :P

I think his point is generally valid though.


Those two tweets didn't even mention Vanek.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:53 PM

Those two tweets didn't even mention Vanek.


Did you get the impression his subject was some other "big gun" for the Sabres?

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:59 PM

I'm entirely too lazy to try to look this up, but before the season didn't Ruff discuss how less could be more with Vanek's ice time? A couple fewer shifts, but he could go balls out every minute he's on the ice then. It was something to that effect. Vanek's never struck me as the workout warrior type, and hell, his facial expressions every time he gets off the ice make it look like he's about to die :blink: . So maybe it's his conditioning. Just as a spot check I looked at Briere's ice time while he was here, and he averaged about 19 minutes per game, to Vanek's 17 for his career (and this season as well). Drury was a little over 18 minutes while he was here. So maybe a little bit is conditioning, but between not killing penalties and Ruff's propensity to roll lines pretty evenly, my guess is that if conditioning is a factor, it's #3 on the list.

Edit: And yes, that was me coming up with an idea, checking to see if it's valid, and probably proving myself wrong all in the same paragraph :P

Edited by TrueBluePhD, 19 February 2012 - 10:00 PM.


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Posted 19 February 2012 - 10:13 PM

LOL That's pretty funny.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 10:31 PM

I like how Lindy articulated why the penalty like Vanek's was called. He wasn't blaming the ref, but making his player accountable. I completely disagree with how he handled it. I'm starting to feel sorry for Vanek. If it is at all possible to empathize with an uber-rich pro player. Either Vanek or Lindy needs to go, for this guys career. Lindy made his bed with Roy, Pegula said he ain't going anywhere. So please Buffalo let this guy off the hook.


exactly..if t pegs wants ruff..fine , he owns the team. Keep Lindy.....but let Vanek get out of town.. after four years with Ruff he deserves a get out of jail card.

Edited by waldo, 19 February 2012 - 10:33 PM.


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Posted 19 February 2012 - 10:38 PM

exactly..if t pegs wants ruff..fine , he owns the team. Keep Lindy.....but let Vanek get out of town.. after four years with Ruff he deserves a get out of jail card.


I dunno, Vanek takes as many dumb/careless penalties as Roy. If he wasn't producing consistently, my guess is he'd be as much of a target of fan ire as Roy. Of course he does produce, so it's easy to overlook the penalties. I want Ruff holding players accountable for stuff like that, I just think it's unfortunate that Vanek was the first victim. But what is Ruff going to do, have a huge locker room speech about stupid penalties and accountability, and then the first time somebody takes one excuse it? How could that possibly help his credibility? Either way, I do wish Ruff would ride his best players a bit more, at least give Vanek full shifts on the PP (unless we suck and have to chase around our own zone for half of it).

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:23 PM

Roy took a dumb penalty late in the 1st period in today's game, he came out of the box and finished up the period (only 21 secs), then was out there at the start of the 2nd period came off and went back on in just over a minute, not quite the same result Vanek received with his penalty.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:26 PM

I dunno, Vanek takes as many dumb/careless penalties as Roy. If he wasn't producing consistently, my guess is he'd be as much of a target of fan ire as Roy. Of course he does produce, so it's easy to overlook the penalties. I want Ruff holding players accountable for stuff like that, I just think it's unfortunate that Vanek was the first victim. But what is Ruff going to do, have a huge locker room speech about stupid penalties and accountability, and then the first time somebody takes one excuse it? How could that possibly help his credibility? Either way, I do wish Ruff would ride his best players a bit more, at least give Vanek full shifts on the PP (unless we suck and have to chase around our own zone for half of it).


That's fair. I like a strict coach that holds players accountable. I get to see all the Panthers games, interviews, post game press conferences, etc. down here and Dineen is a good example of a hard-ass coach. He doesn't put up poor performance and dumb mistakes. But right now I don't think it's fair to nitpick about bad penalties when a large handful of supposed high scoring forwards are floating through the entire season. If BFLO was fighting for the division and most of the team is playing up to par, then I can see Ruff having a point by focusing on bad penalties. Everybody gets penalties, right now he needs to focus on the penalty killing unit and take it out on our high priced players who are running for the bus first.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 12:07 AM

Roy took a dumb penalty late in the 1st period in today's game, he came out of the box and finished up the period (only 21 secs), then was out there at the start of the 2nd period came off and went back on in just over a minute, not quite the same result Vanek received with his penalty.


Right, I want consistency. For the absolute life of me I cannot understand why Roy or Stafford, at some point this season, have not been healthy scratches. Roy and Stafford have been benched for stretches as a result of their play, but today Roy was off the hook (which is back asswards since the stupid penalty crackdown has begun). The only possible thing I can think of is trying to keep trade value higher, but I really don't believe anything short term (good, bad, or indifferent) really influences trade value a whole lot.

That's fair. I like a strict coach that holds players accountable. I get to see all the Panthers games, interviews, post game press conferences, etc. down here and Dineen is a good example of a hard-ass coach. He doesn't put up poor performance and dumb mistakes. But right now I don't think it's fair to nitpick about bad penalties when a large handful of supposed high scoring forwards are floating through the entire season. If BFLO was fighting for the division and most of the team is playing up to par, then I can see Ruff having a point by focusing on bad penalties. Everybody gets penalties, right now he needs to focus on the penalty killing unit and take it out on our high priced players who are running for the bus first.


I think my previous reply pretty much answers this as well. I want consistency, and not holding Roy & Stafford (in particular) more accountable throughout the season is ridiculous. I can at least kind of understand it right now if they're trying to trade them before the deadline, but that doesn't explain it all year.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 12:58 AM

LOL is that the new reason we've allowed ourselves to believe when we see Roy ###### up and Lindy send him out on the very next shift? It's now because we're shopping him....yesssss, yesssss, shopping him.... I like it.


Only problem is Regier will likely only accept Kane or Malkin in return, so the chance of him leaving are about as big as the chances of LaFontaine coming out of retirement and leading us to a cup.

Edited by Kristian, 20 February 2012 - 12:58 AM.


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Posted 20 February 2012 - 04:02 AM

exactly..if t pegs wants ruff..fine , he owns the team. Keep Lindy.....but let Vanek get out of town.. after four years with Ruff he deserves a get out of jail card.

Here, here!!! And while they're at it, there's a handful of other entertaining players that also deserve a chance to play for a team that actually cares about winning the Cup.

Also, this thing with Vanek and Roy, and Lindy benching one and not the other, this is NOT just happening this year, it's been going on for years.

Edited by TheChimp, 20 February 2012 - 04:04 AM.


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Posted 20 February 2012 - 07:59 AM

Here, here!!! And while they're at it, there's a handful of other entertaining players that also deserve a chance to play for a team that actually cares about winning the Cup.

Also, this thing with Vanek and Roy, and Lindy benching one and not the other, this is NOT just happening this year, it's been going on for years.


Exactly Chimp. Nice to see there is another guy with a memory. Did you ever see Roy get benched for a stupid penalty, or for giving up the zone on the power play (which he does six out of ten times) with a stupid passing decision, or for causing an odd man rush to occur with a silly shot or pass?How about Myers?(benched once for personally giving up ten goals in his end) How many times has he coughed up possession in the d zone or been out of position , or given up a silly goal with a bonehead decision? Lindy has been screaming at Vanek for four years on the bench, on T>V and probably in the locker room. Keep Lindy tPegs. let Vanek, and Miller go to a contender for a second rounder. 14 mil in cap room. Spend it on more Staffords, Roys, Boyes's, Torres's and Gaustads.

Edited by waldo, 20 February 2012 - 08:04 AM.


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Posted 20 February 2012 - 08:55 AM

Exactly Chimp. Nice to see there is another guy with a memory. Did you ever see Roy get benched for a stupid penalty, or for giving up the zone on the power play (which he does six out of ten times) with a stupid passing decision, or for causing an odd man rush to occur with a silly shot or pass?How about Myers?(benched once for personally giving up ten goals in his end) How many times has he coughed up possession in the d zone or been out of position , or given up a silly goal with a bonehead decision? Lindy has been screaming at Vanek for four years on the bench, on T>V and probably in the locker room. Keep Lindy tPegs. let Vanek, and Miller go to a contender for a second rounder. 14 mil in cap room. Spend it on more Staffords, Roys, Boyes's, Torres's and Gaustads.


Roy was effectively benched and then put on the 4th line after screening Miller in Winnipeg this year. He also was the focus of the Lindy scream as well.