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[neverenough]

Our GM will be taking the week off,not sure how long he'll be gone.

[Kristian]

neverenough, on 15 February 2012 - 06:07 AM, said:

Our GM will be taking the week off,not sure how long he'll be gone.

Week off?

I thought he'd been on vacation since August 1st?

[deluca67]

nfreeman, on 14 February 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

I'm dead serious about Myers and Vanek.  Who did Anaheim want in exchange for Getzlaf?  It wasn't Vanek.  I would guess just about every GM in the NHL would rather have Myers than Vanek.

As for Roy, I think he'll fetch a respectable return.  But there is NFW that the Sabres will get an elite player in exhange for a package that has Roy as the centerpiece.

Myers value is in potential, not actual value at this moment. Right now Myers isn't even the Sabres best blueliner let alone it's best player. Right now Myers' production and talent is nowhere near the level of Vanek's. Myer's is nowhere near the impact player Vanek is. Most of Myer's reputation was built on his rookie year. He has steadily disappointed since then. I know this was said before, not sure by who, switch Myers' first season with his second or third season and fans would be looking at him in a different light.

Vanek-Man, on 14 February 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Pretty sure Miller was the centerpiece.

Miller, at this point, is not a centerpiece.

[Spndnchz]

Why not Roy and Stafford for Nash?  Same cash.

[sskot13]

Sorry all but there is now way we are getting Nash!  Buffalo is not on his list of destinations...

[Kevin Kalstek]

Yeah not even possible to get Nash if the sabres are even serious about rebuilding first we would have to take on his 7.8 mil salary and give up one of our better players vanek or myers they are not going to want garbage inconsistent players like Roy or Stafford let's get real.  So even if he wanted to come here we would end up giving up a solid player for him and taking on a big cap to handicap us even more in the off season for rebuilding ...


And there not going g to trade miller. And who would want to take on millers high cap for a inconsistent Goalie with ###### numbers. He hasn't been good since before the Olympics. Lets get real

[Claude_Verret]

Kevin Kalstek, on 15 February 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

Yeah not even possible to get Nash if the sabres are even serious about rebuilding first we would have to take on his 7.8 mil salary and give up one of our better players vanek or myers they are not going to want garbage inconsistent players like Roy or Stafford let's get real. So even if he wanted to come here we would end up giving up a solid player for him and taking on a big cap to handicap us even more in the off season for rebuilding ... And there not going g to trade miller. And who would want to take on millers high cap for a inconsistent Goalie with ###### numbers. He hasn't been good since before the Olympics. Lets get real

This is a rumor thread, by definition no reality necessary.

[716]

There should be no one on this roster who's safe. None of our guys are that good. You can't eat potential for breakfaast.

Edited by 716, 15 February 2012 - 09:21 AM.

[nobody]

nfreeman, on 14 February 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

So -- you think that the Sabres could get an elite player for, say, Kassian, McNabb and Roy?  I think this is crazy talk.

If you also add a 1st round pick - yes.

[ROCBuffalo]

Roy for Jeremy Lin

[nobody]

spndnchz, on 15 February 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

Why not Roy and Stafford for Nash?  Same cash.

If Darcy was able to make that exact trade you would have some people on this list dreaming about Darcy like they dream about you.

[TrueBluePhD]

I'm not sure Nash is elite, he's great, but elite?  I think, in general with sports, people throw around "elite" too easily.  Nash is great, but not elite.  He's had 1 season of 70+ points.  This year he's 22nd in scoring among right wingers, 69th among all forwards.  Teammates be damned, if he's as good as some believe, he'd have better production over his career.  Maybe he has elite talent, but he's not an elite player.  I'm going to steal some points from Neil Greenberg I read on twitter this morning.  A forward's prime is mid-20s, think 22-27.  28+ they typically decline in production, or at least fail to reach career peaks.  Since the lockout, the ONLY player to average 20 goals and 60 points from age 28-33 is Jerome Iginla.  Committing to $7.8 million per year for 6 years for a guy who could significantly decline in the next year or two (he'll be 28 after this season ends) while giving up prime assets, to me, is not a smart hockey decision unless you're right on the cusp of winning this year or next.  

And I still say that trading away our best assets for somebody like Nash, or Getlzaf or "insert big name player here entering their late 20s" and "blowing it up" are mutually exclusive ideas.  Either we go out and go big for a big name player with a couple prime years left, or we blow it up and build around guys like Myers, Kassian, McNabb, etc.

[beerme1]

DeLuca67, on 15 February 2012 - 07:03 AM, said:

Miller, at this point, is not a centerpiece.

To the right GM he probably is. Chicago?

spndnchz, on 15 February 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

Why not Roy and Stafford for Nash?  Same cash.

If you make this deal as the GM in Columbus it's the last deal you make because you're fired. You dont have to move him at the deadline and he has to agree to the team he is going to. Just because HE requested a trade you could still do it in the off season no?

TrueBluePhD, on 15 February 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

And I still say that trading away our best assets for somebody like Nash, or Getlzaf or "insert big name player here entering their late 20s" and "blowing it up" are mutually exclusive ideas.  Either we go out and go big for a big name player with a couple prime years left, or we blow it up and build around guys like Myers, Kassian, McNabb, etc.

I like the thought of building around a new core of Myers, McNabb, Kassian etc.
However, I would let Myers go for Getzlaf or Nash. I would send Miller + to Chicago for Kane. And Kassian at one point I wouldn't include him in any deal. Now after seeing the softer side of him, If he needed to be included in a deal that got me a proven superstar well, bye bye big boy.
My preference is to build around the guys you mention and get just get rid of deadweight. Staff Roy etc. I dont care either way as long we do something!

[Potato]

TrueBluePhD, on 15 February 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

I'm not sure Nash is elite, he's great, but elite?  I think, in general with sports, people throw around "elite" too easily.  Nash is great, but not elite.  He's had 1 season of 70+ points.  This year he's 22nd in scoring among right wingers, 69th among all forwards.  Teammates be damned, if he's as good as some believe, he'd have better production over his career.  Maybe he has elite talent, but he's not an elite player.  I'm going to steal some points from Neil Greenberg I read on twitter this morning.  A forward's prime is mid-20s, think 22-27.  28+ they typically decline in production, or at least fail to reach career peaks.  Since the lockout, the ONLY player to average 20 goals and 60 points from age 28-33 is Jerome Iginla.  Committing to $7.8 million per year for 6 years for a guy who could significantly decline in the next year or two (he'll be 28 after this season ends) while giving up prime assets, to me, is not a smart hockey decision unless you're right on the cusp of winning this year or next.  

I've watched Nash play live many times over the past 3 years and it is very easy to see how dominant he is when he is out there.  Columbus has absolutely no transition game (again, probably easier to see when you watch them live), horrible defensemen and centers who can't get the puck to Nash.  Normally, I'd say the numbers are what they are, but in this case I think Columbus is so ridiculously bad, and has been for such a long period of time, that it is hard to decipher what kind of numbers Nash might put up on a good team.  Now, whether he'll decline beyond age 28 is a whole other story... either way, I agree that the last thing the Sabres need is another monster contract.

[CallawaySabres]

spndnchz, on 15 February 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

Why not Roy and Stafford for Nash?  Same cash.

I would throw Roy, Stafford and Kassian at Columbus and they would STILL never make that deal. If Myers, McNabb, dradt picks or Miller aren't involved, it's a pipedream.

Chicago looks like they could be a great trade partner with that team sliding the way it is now. What each team would want is tough to say but I would think conversations are coming in from all angles.....

Edited by CallawaySabres, 15 February 2012 - 11:11 AM.

[sabres26]

I am at work right now and Better Days just came on. It reminds me of the good ol days of the 06-07 and 07-08 year... I want that feeling back, It gives me cold chills just sitting here listening. Please TP bring the old sabres back. I want Nash, Getzlaf, Parise or anyone who can be a game changer.

[TrueBluePhD]

COSabre, on 15 February 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

I've watched Nash play live many times over the past 3 years and it is very easy to see how dominant he is when he is out there.  Columbus has absolutely no transition game (again, probably easier to see when you watch them live), horrible defensemen and centers who can't get the puck to Nash.  Normally, I'd say the numbers are what they are, but in this case I think Columbus is so ridiculously bad, and has been for such a long period of time, that it is hard to decipher what kind of numbers Nash might put up on a good team.  Now, whether he'll decline beyond age 28 is a whole other story... either way, I agree that the last thing the Sabres need is another monster contract.

I haven't watched him beyond Sabres games, so all I really have to go by are the stats.  However if you've seen him live enough to have the opinion he can be dominant, I'll defer to that.  I still want nothing to do with his contract.  If I'm the Rangers, I sell my top 3 prospects and a rostered player yesterday for Nash, since the one thing standing between them and being a prohibitive Cup favorite is consistent scoring (although they need a LW way more than a RW, so Parise would be a better fit).  But the Sabres?  I'm not necessarily of the opinion that the Sabres only option is to blow it up, but, I'm also not willing to mortgage the future with a bet that a 14th place team is 1 elite player away from being a legit Cup contender, especially if that 1 player is yet another winger.

[OverPowerYou]

sabres26, on 15 February 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

I am at work right now and Better Days just came on. It reminds me of the good ol days of the 06-07 and 07-08 year... I want that feeling back, It gives me cold chills just sitting here listening. Please TP bring the old sabres back. I want Nash, Getzlaf, Parise or anyone who can be a game changer.

Any coincidence that things have been getting slowly worse since the "better days" playoffs?

[sabres26]

I would say so. We need that city vibe back. I would go to buffalo during those years and the vibe was completely different from what it is now. We need "Hockey Heaven" back.. Start making trades

[Spndnchz]

Regehr and Boyes not at practice this morning.  Hmmmmmm....

[Sabres Fan In NS]

spndnchz, on 15 February 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

Regehr and Boyes not at practice this morning.  Hmmmmmm....

That is some gasoline on the fire!

[nobody]

spndnchz, on 15 February 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

Regehr and Boyes not at practice this morning.  Hmmmmmm....

Do hockey players not get their flu shots?



No other real good place for this so I'll comment here.  I like these line combos.  I hope Lindy actually uses them in a game (for a whole game) :
Bill Hoppe @BillHoppeNHL
#Sabres lines: 21-28-36/42-63-26/23-9-29/37-54

[CallawaySabres]

spndnchz, on 15 February 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

Regehr and Boyes not at practice this morning.  Hmmmmmm....

No weay in Hell does Regehr get traded after Pegula flew out there to talk his family into moving.

[Potato]

spndnchz, on 15 February 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

Regehr and Boyes not at practice this morning.  Hmmmmmm....

What could we possibly get back for Brad Boyes?  A 5th rounder maybe?  Boyes is the poster child for overpaid under-performing forwards.

[TrueBluePhD]

nobody, on 15 February 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

No other real good place for this so I'll comment here.  I like these line combos.  I hope Lindy actually uses them in a game (for a whole game) :
Bill Hoppe @BillHoppeNHL
#Sabres lines: 21-28-36/42-63-26/23-9-29/37-54

Still waiting for the inevitable 26-63-29 line.  I don't care that every other line would be a crap sandwich, at least we'd have one (potentially) line of filet.

COSabre, on 15 February 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

What could we possibly get back for Brad Boyes?  A 5th rounder maybe?  Boyes is the poster child for overpaid under-performing forwards.

I'll take it!

[apuszczalowski]

CallawaySabres, on 15 February 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

No weay in Hell does Regehr get traded after Pegula flew out there to talk his family into moving.

Maybe he isn't happy that they convinced hm to move everything and this is what happened

[Robviously]

CallawaySabres, on 15 February 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

No weay in Hell does Regehr get traded after Pegula flew out there to talk his family into moving.

I doubt he'd turn down any trade just because he moved his family last summer.  If the Sabres were trying to move him to Detroit (or to another contender) so that he could try for a Cup run after an entire career in Calgary and Buffalo, he'd be interested.

[d4rksabre]

sabres26, on 15 February 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

I am at work right now and Better Days just came on. It reminds me of the good ol days of the 06-07 and 07-08 year... I want that feeling back, It gives me cold chills just sitting here listening. Please TP bring the old sabres back. I want Nash, Getzlaf, Parise or anyone who can be a game changer.

"Better Days" will forever be known as the death march for two great years of hockey from 05-07.

That song makes me want to puke.

[sabres26]

so if roy, goose, hecht, boyes and sekera were off the books that would be about 16.5 million. Find a center to replace roy for 2.5 mil, another center to replace goose for 3 or 4 mil, ennis has taken over hechts spot, foligno or kashian can take over boyes and mcnabb can take over sekera. that adds up to about 7-8 million. still leaves us with about 8.5 million to spend. heck, im not even counting if stafford was off the books. Is this somewhat accurate?

[CallawaySabres]

apuszczalowski, on 15 February 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

Maybe he isn't happy that they convinced hm to move everything and this is what happened

You have a point, it is certainly possible if that is the case.

[apuszczalowski]

sabres26, on 15 February 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

so if roy, goose, hecht, boyes and sekera were off the books that would be about 16.5 million. Find a center to replace roy for 2.5 mil, another center to replace goose for 3 or 4 mil, ennis has taken over hechts spot, foligno or kashian can take over boyes and mcnabb can take over sekera. that adds up to about 7-8 million. still leaves us with about 8.5 million to spend. heck, im not even counting if stafford was off the books. Is this somewhat accurate?

Just for starters, I think Roys replacement should be the guy getting 3-4 mil and Gooses replacement being the one getting 2.5
Next, i would like to know where you are gonna get centres for that kind of money in this league that are better then what the Sabres are losing

d4rksabre, on 15 February 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

"Better Days" will forever be known as the death march for two great years of hockey from 05-07.

That song makes me want to puke.

if its the same song I'm thinking of, I couldn't agree more about puking

[Who Else?]

sabres26, on 15 February 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

so if roy, goose, hecht, boyes and sekera were off the books that would be about 16.5 million. Find a center to replace roy for 2.5 mil, another center to replace goose for 3 or 4 mil, ennis has taken over hechts spot, foligno or kashian can take over boyes and mcnabb can take over sekera. that adds up to about 7-8 million. still leaves us with about 8.5 million to spend. heck, im not even counting if stafford was off the books. Is this somewhat accurate?

Why Sekera?  I could name about 15 other players in the organ-eye-zation who should go first.

[CallawaySabres]

Ruff just said maintenance day for Boyes and Regher so enough of that. As far as Centers go, let's face it folks, none are coming via FA and the ONLY way to trade for a tier one center is adding Myers or Miller to the mix. It's going to be at least another 2 years before the make-up of this team has Cup contender labeled to it. Until then, get rid of the dead weight and hope that the draft or Rochester offers a suprise in the middle.

[d4rksabre]

apuszczalowski, on 15 February 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Just for starters, I think Roys replacement should be the guy getting 3-4 mil and Gooses replacement being the one getting 2.5
Next, i would like to know where you are gonna get centres for that kind of money in this league that are better then what the Sabres are losing

if its the same song I'm thinking of, I couldn't agree more about puking

This big steaming pile of BS. That first piano chord is enough to make me nauseous.

[LabattBlue]

CallawaySabres, on 15 February 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

No weay in Hell does Regehr get traded after Pegula flew out there to talk his family into moving.

Not that I believe he is going anywhere, but there is always the possibility that Regehr goes to Regier, states he is on the tail end of his career, he wants a serious chance at the Cup, and doesn't see it happening here....this year or next.

[JJFIVEOH]

He's only 31.

[d4rksabre]

LabattBlue, on 15 February 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Not that I believe he is going anywhere, but there is always the possibility that Regehr goes to Regier, states he is on the tail end of his career, he wants a serious chance at the Cup, and doesn't see it happening here....this year or next.

Darcy's head would start spinning. I can see it now: "Buh buh but Robyn, this team is real close!"

[korab rules]

d4rksabre, on 15 February 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Darcy's head would start spinning. I can see it now: "Buh buh but Robyn, this team is real close!"

He should tell him we have two of the top 20 centers in the league on the team - that should make him Regehr feel better

[dEnnis the Menace]

korab rules, on 15 February 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

He should tell him we have two of the top 20 centers in the league on the team - that should make him Regehr feel better

Which Reg would feel better? bc I think there's only one that would feel better in that situation...

[korab rules]

dEnnis the Menace, on 15 February 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Which Reg would feel better? bc I think there's only one that would feel better in that situation...

That wasn't very clear, was it. Regier should tell regehr is what I meant.