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[Eleven]

This is like the sandbox outside the real trade deadline thread. Feel free to play around and discuss rumors and hypotheticals.

[Sabres Fan In NS]

Eleven, on 14 February 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Works best when there is a companion rumor thread. I'll start one.

Is that not what the Around the NHL thread is for?

EDIT: I guess not.

[Eleven]

Sabres Fan In NS, on 14 February 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Is that not what the Around the NHL thread is for?

EDIT: I guess not.

Definitely not. We've had a pretty good time over the years discussing actual trades in one thread and ideas/rumors in another.

[Sabres Fan In NS]

Eleven, on 14 February 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Definitely not. We've had a pretty good time over the years discussing actual trades in one thread and ideas/rumors in another.

I understand and appreciate ... notice the emoticon I used in my post.

[nfreeman]

Without a single idea/rumor being discussed here yet, I'm already annoyed.

[Touched by Boyes]

nfreeman, on 14 February 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Without a single idea/rumor being discussed here yet, I'm already annoyed.

Do you really want to prod the Malkin/Getzlaf/Stamkos type trade rumor slingers to come out of the weeds? We already squashed that trend a few months back

[dEnnis the Menace]

nfreeman, on 14 February 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Without a single idea/rumor being discussed here yet, I'm already annoyed.

Sir, that is what Thursdays are for

[shrader]

Sabres Fan In NS, on 14 February 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Is that not what the Around the NHL thread is for?

EDIT: I guess not.

Oh look, you're policing the board again.

This thread should heat up nicely in about a week. Unfortunately, almost none of the so called "rumors" will materialize. This is going to be a boring deadline.

[nfreeman]

Touched by Boyes, on 14 February 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

Do you really want to prod the Malkin/Getzlaf/Stamkos type trade rumor slingers to come out of the weeds? We already squashed that trend a few months back

Some things are as inevitable as the tide...

[Sabres Fan In NS]

shrader, on 14 February 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Oh look, you're policing the board again.

This thread should heat up nicely in about a week. Unfortunately, almost none of the so called "rumors" will materialize. This is going to be a boring deadline.

Not really ... a tongue in cheek post is not policing.

I think you are probably right about a boring trade deadline. This thread will be more popular than the actual trades thread, particularly from a Sabres stand point, in all likelihood.

BTW. How was New Hampshire? Some people think it is alot like Nova Scotia, without as much ocean front.

[Lanny]

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The rumors that Robyn Regehr is available are also only rumors I have heard from readers..nothing from a source, in fact a Sabres source confirmed not a chance he is moved.

http://www.hockeybuz...-Bruins/1/42139

Was going to put this in Buyers/Sellers thread, but seems like that's been put to rest. Also, I realize the source, but thought worthwhile in response to a much talked about rumor from another site.

Edited by Lanny, 14 February 2012 - 01:59 PM.

[nobody]

Can we talk about package deals here?

[Oakstream]

Rick Nash on the trade block?

http://sports.yahoo....-044016053.html

[sabres26]

Stafford and a 1st round to Columbus for Nash

[Sabres Fan In NS]

sabres26, on 14 February 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

Stafford and a 1st round to Columbus for Nash

Paging nfreeman!

[JJFIVEOH]

I know the Sabres desperately need to invest in a top center, but with the sluff Boyes and Stafford going through the motions night after night I think going after Nash would show that this team is willing and ready to move in the right direction. This team doesn't need a rebuild, it just needs to rid itself of the cancer. Nash is everything we all bitch about not having, somebody who is big and can consistently be a presence in front of the net. It's not very often an opportunity like this comes along.

[beerme1]

Im all open to the Getzlaf trade coming back to life.

[sabres26]

Imagine Vanek and Nash being centered by a decent center, wow!!!

[Touched by Boyes]

sabres26, on 14 February 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

Imagine Vanek and Nash being centered by a decent center, wow!!!

As I mentioned in the other thread, in order for Nash to be traded he must waive his NMC. Which means these rumors of him on the block have come with his permission and he is only going to be traded to teams that he is willing to go to. I do not believe that the Sabres (at 13th place in the east) are one of the teams that he is willing to waive his NMC to go to.

It's a nice dream in theory and I would love to get him, but he doesn't want to come here...

[LaLaLaFontaine]

No way that Nash comes to Buffalo.

He wants to be on a contender team, i am sure that he wants to play in the playoffs.

There is no reason why he should come to Buffalo.

[Lanny]

Touched by Boyes, on 14 February 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

As I mentioned in the other thread, in order for Nash to be traded he must waive his NMC. Which means these rumors of him on the block have come with his permission and he is only going to be traded to teams that he is willing to go to. I do not believe that the Sabres (at 13th place in the east) are one of the teams that he is willing to waive his NMC to go to.

It's a nice dream in theory and I would love to get him, but he doesn't want to come here...

Yes you said it a few times, but it's an opinion, just as some have said there's reason to believe that Buffalo may be a place he'd want to go to. Maybe unlikely, but does that mean conversation on the topic must cease?

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Stafford and a 1st round to Columbus for Nash

Was thinking something along the lines of Ennis, Stafford, Brennan and a 2nd.

[Touched by Boyes]

LaLaLaFontaine, on 14 February 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

No way that Nash comes to Buffalo.

He wants to be on a contender team, i am sure that he wants to play in the playoffs.

There is no reason why he should come to Buffalo.

he only comes here if our offer helps Columbus significantly more than any other, and we are on his list of NMC waive-able teams.

Lanny, on 14 February 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

Yes you said it a few times, but it's an opinion, just as some have said there's reason to believe that Buffalo may be a place he'd want to go to. Maybe unlikely, but does that mean conversation on the topic must cease?

The conversation shouldn't cease. I really like the way this conversation is going actually. I just wanted to point it out that it wasn't just as simple as making the best offer. We would also need some TP convincing magic to make it happen.

Nash is exactly the type of player you build your team around and is instantly captain and top dog. I just don't want people to get their hopes up since it is the definition of a long shot.

[JJFIVEOH]

Touched by Boyes, on 14 February 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

As I mentioned in the other thread, in order for Nash to be traded he must waive his NMC. Which means these rumors of him on the block have come with his permission and he is only going to be traded to teams that he is willing to go to. I do not believe that the Sabres (at 13th place in the east) are one of the teams that he is willing to waive his NMC to go to.

It's a nice dream in theory and I would love to get him, but he doesn't want to come here...

Somehow I don't think a decision that big is going to be affected by current standing. He's got a contract through 2018 so I don't think he would be thinking short term. Even though the Sabres are not playing up to par lately doesn't mean there isn't potential and it won't take much to push us to the top. And it's not like Pegula/Black haven't changed their minds about building a Cup contender. Any potential new player can see that the goal is here to become a contender. If Golisano were still the owner it might be a different story. If Nash's main goal is to live someplace more metropolitan then yeah, he might not pick BFLO. But if he wants to go someplace where there is potential I can't see him leaving BFLO off the table. There are some powerhouse teams I'm sure he would consider first, but I don't think he would turn BFLO down just because we're currently in 13th. If he were a free agent at the end of the year I can see him wanting to go someplace just to try and win a Cup this year and then reassess his options during the offseason, but his current contract status would most likely mean he would prefer a team that can and will be successful for the next 6-7 years.

[ROCBuffalo]

Wow, didn't know we had a Nash thread going, sweet.

[sabres26]

What top players will hear from tp, dr or Ted black is that this was the first year of new ownership and that they are preparing this team to be a true contender in the 12-13.. It takes time and terry can inspire any player he wants. No player is out of contention for the sabres

Can someone post all the top free agents ?

[d4rksabre]

LaLaLaFontaine, on 14 February 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

No way that Nash comes to Buffalo.

He wants to be on a contender team, i am sure that he wants to play in the playoffs.

There is no reason why he should come to Buffalo.

Maybe Regehr can talk him into it.

[Touched by Boyes]

JJFIVEOH, on 14 February 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Somehow I don't think a decision that big is going to be affected by current standing. He's got a contract through 2018 so I don't think he would be thinking short term. Even though the Sabres are not playing up to par lately doesn't mean there isn't potential and it won't take much to push us to the top. And it's not like Pegula/Black haven't changed their minds about building a Cup contender. Any potential new player can see that the goal is here to become a contender. If Golisano were still the owner it might be a different story. If Nash's main goal is to live someplace more metropolitan then yeah, he might not pick BFLO. But if he wants to go someplace where there is potential I can't see him leaving BFLO off the table. There are some powerhouse teams I'm sure he would consider first, but I don't think he would turn BFLO down just because we're currently in 13th. If he were a free agent at the end of the year I can see him wanting to go someplace just to try and win a Cup this year and then reassess his options during the offseason, but his current contract status would most likely mean he would prefer a team that can and will be successful for the next 6-7 years.

Isn't every team's goal to build a winner? I don't understand the Buffalo fan's sentiment that because we finally have guys that are trying to win now that every player in the league will want to hop on the bandwagon and make us a top destination. Players respond to winning and organizational consistentcy. One offseason of spending and speaches about winning a cup isn't changing anyone's mind.

To the metropolitan comment, I think him living and being comfortable in Columbus actually helps the arguement for Buffalo. Columbus and Buffalo are pretty similar in city size and style and if he enjoys the smaller type cities that gives us a leg up. I would argue that our fanbase, however, is much stronger and he would get a lot more attention in our city than in Columbus.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

d4rksabre, on 14 February 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

Maybe Regehr can talk him into it.

[JJFIVEOH]

Touched by Boyes, on 14 February 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Isn't every team's goal to build a winner? I don't understand the Buffalo fan's sentiment that because we finally have guys that are trying to win now that every player in the league will want to hop on the bandwagon and make us a top destination. Players respond to winning and organizational consistentcy. One offseason of spending and speaches about winning a cup isn't changing anyone's mind.

To the metropolitan comment, I think him living and being comfortable in Columbus actually helps the arguement for Buffalo. Columbus and Buffalo are pretty similar in city size and style and if he enjoys the smaller type cities that gives us a leg up. I would argue that our fanbase, however, is much stronger and he would get a lot more attention in our city than in Columbus.

Yes, every teams goal SHOULD be to build a winner, but there are a few teams who aren't doing a very good job of doing so or are content with being mediocre. As BFLO was for years with Golisano. Perhaps I should have worder my post better. I wasn't implying that some teams don't want to win, it's just that some teams are hitting rock bottom and some teams are barely in the rebuilding phase. Some might disagree, but I think BFLO is just a couple steps from being a contender and don't need to rebuild. With that said, the point of my last post is that Nash would probably rather go to a team that is winning or will be winning in the very near future, and that he might be the one to help push them to that point. I would assume at his age that he might not want to consider a team that is 2-3 years away from winning. Wasn't really implying that some teams don't want to win, haha. Just that he might prefer going somewhere where he doesn't have to keep dealing with losing all the time.

I like your point about him being comfortable in Columbus. If that's the case then yeah, he might like BFLO.

[Who Else?]

sabres26, on 14 February 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

Imagine Vanek and Nash being centered by a decent center, wow!!!

And neither team has one.

[Touched by Boyes]

JJFIVEOH, on 14 February 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Yes, every teams goal SHOULD be to build a winner, but there are a few teams who aren't doing a very good job of doing so or are content with being mediocre. As BFLO was for years with Golisano. Perhaps I should have worder my post better. I wasn't implying that some teams don't want to win, it's just that some teams are hitting rock bottom and some teams are barely in the rebuilding phase. Some might disagree, but I think BFLO is just a couple steps from being a contender and don't need to rebuild. With that said, the point of my last post is that Nash would probably rather go to a team that is winning or will be winning in the very near future, and that he might be the one to help push them to that point. I would assume at his age that he might not want to consider a team that is 2-3 years away from winning. Wasn't really implying that some teams don't want to win, haha. Just that he might prefer going somewhere where he doesn't have to keep dealing with losing all the time.

I like your point about him being comfortable in Columbus. If that's the case then yeah, he might like BFLO.

While you might think we are close, I would be one of those that disagrees with you. Around the league, a team that is currently in a tie for 12th/14th in the eastern conference looks much more like a "rock bottom" or "rebuilding" team than a cup contender. I think a lot of the fans in this city are disillusioned that TP can just keep throwing money at the problem with the next big FA/trade. We have a lot of bad players making a lot of money. That looks more like rebuilding than playoffs to me.

Who Else?, on 14 February 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

And neither team has one.

Columbus thought they were getting one this offseason. Unfortunately for them it was Jeff Carter

[Lanny]

Nick Kypreos @RealKyper
#bluejackets GM Howson was given a list of #NHL teams Rick Nash would potentially lift his n/m clause to go. Believed 2 be a very short list

[Touched by Boyes]

Lanny, on 14 February 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

Nick Kypreos @RealKyper
#bluejackets GM Howson was given a list of #NHL teams Rick Nash would potentially lift his n/m clause to go. Believed 2 be a very short list

Now it's not just my opinion but backed up by Kypreos. I'm thinking it includes Toronto, Detroit and NYR.

[JJFIVEOH]

Touched by Boyes, on 14 February 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

While you might think we are close, I would be one of those that disagrees with you. Around the league, a team that is currently in a tie for 12th/14th in the eastern conference looks much more like a "rock bottom" or "rebuilding" team than a cup contender. I think a lot of the fans in this city are disillusioned that TP can just keep throwing money at the problem with the next big FA/trade. We have a lot of bad players making a lot of money. That looks more like rebuilding than playoffs to me.

No need to rebuild because of them. Dumping Roy, Stafford and Boyes wouldn't constitute a rebuild.

Edited by JJFIVEOH, 14 February 2012 - 04:24 PM.

[d4rksabre]

Touched by Boyes, on 14 February 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Now it's not just my opinion but backed up by Kypreos. I'm thinking it includes Toronto, Detroit and NYR.

Good lord could you imagine the Rangers with Nash?

[Crosschecking]

Ghost of Dwight Drane, on 14 February 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

So typical of GoDD humor.

[Touched by Boyes]

d4rksabre, on 14 February 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

Good lord could you imagine the Rangers with Nash?

They have the younger players that the Blue Jackets would want. Callahan/Dubinsky type players and one of their younger dmen. Nash would want to go to the top team in the eastern conference in a big market IMO.

[d4rksabre]

Touched by Boyes, on 14 February 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

They have the younger players that the Blue Jackets would want. Callahan/Dubinsky type players and one of their younger dmen. Nash would want to go to the top team in the eastern conference in a big market IMO.

I can't see the Rags wanting to give up the future of their team for him though.

[Touched by Boyes]

d4rksabre, on 14 February 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

I can't see the Rags wanting to give up the future of their team for him though.

Which is why the whole Nash being traded at the deadline thing has a small chance of actually happening. That's what Columbus would want back - young players that are NHL or close to NHL ready.

[shrader]

I hate speculating on trades, but if the Sabres ever were to get involved with something like this, a guy like Ryan Miller would probably be someone Columbus would target. His star may have faded a bit as of late, but Miller is a marquee name that a faceless franchise like Columbus could market to their fans. And lets face it, many times teams will go that route first instead of making decision based purely on hockey.

The Sabres would obviously have to throw some other good pieces for the deal, but that price could be lowered a bit by taking Steve Mason off their hands. That's a major league reclamation project right there.