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[spndnchz]

We had one last year. Looking through that thread there was much more movement sooner last year.

Try and keep the rumors out. Opinions on Nash type news welcomed...

[CallawaySabres]

some team is going to be VERY happy....

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=387786

[Sabres Fan In NS]

CallawaySabres, on 14 February 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

some team is going to be VERY happy....

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=387786

Hello, Terry.

It's Ted. Fire up the Pegula jet.

Columbus.

No! Don't tell Darcy!

Meet you at the airport in an hour.

Edited by Sabres Fan In NS, 14 February 2012 - 11:02 AM.

[FolignosJock]

CallawaySabres, on 14 February 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

some team is going to be VERY happy....

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=387786

eh

maybe if he was a center

[Who Else?]

CallawaySabres, on 14 February 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

some team is going to be VERY happy....

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=387786

I hope he doesn't get traded. It would be like taking Staal out of Carolina. It would make C-Bus completely irrelevant. They are not going to move, so the last thing the NHL needs is more teams that generate zero interest.

[CallawaySabres]

cvanvol, on 14 February 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

eh

maybe if he was a center

that's why I said "some" team and not the Sabres

[apuszczalowski]

cvanvol, on 14 February 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

eh

maybe if he was a center

Your kidding, right?

[Touched by Boyes]

CallawaySabres, on 14 February 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

some team is going to be VERY happy....

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=387786

If Nash does get moved, that would be a huge acquisition for whoever gets him. This isn't some aging veteran at the twilight of his career. This guy is an elite talent that goes unnoticed because he plays for the worst team in a sh!t market. He's still got plenty of years of elite production left.

Who Else?, on 14 February 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

I hope he doesn't get traded. It would be like taking Staal out of Carolina. It would make C-Bus completely irrelevant. They are not going to move, so the last thing the NHL needs is more teams that generate zero interest.

Columbus would lose it's entire identity if they lost Nash. They would have to build their team around... Carter?

[CallawaySabres]

apuszczalowski, on 14 February 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Your kidding, right?

I can understand why not being a center would lend to pause as Buffalo has needed one for years now. Still, you can't overlook it alltogether as Nash is elite talent. Would Buffalo be on his list? If he wanted a contender this year, obviously not. If he was looking at going to an organization with solid ownership and the will to eventually get that Cup - maybe. Toronto has been looking for that elite power forward ever since Burke got there so I betcha they make a great offer......

[Touched by Boyes]

CallawaySabres, on 14 February 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

I can understand why not being a center would lend to pause as Buffalo has needed one for years now. Still, you can't overlook it alltogether as Nash is elite talent. Would Buffalo be on his list? If he wanted a contender this year, obviously not. If he was looking at going to an organization with solid ownership and the will to eventually get that Cup - maybe. Toronto has been looking for that elite power forward ever since Burke got there so I betcha they make a great offer......

I don't think Buffalo makes the list of teams he would waive his NMC for, especially given the poor season we have had this year. We still have a long way to go to even be in consideration for moves like this.

[CallawaySabres]

Touched by Boyes, on 14 February 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

I don't think Buffalo makes the list of teams he would waive his NMC for, especially given the poor season we have had this year. We still have a long way to go to even be in consideration for moves like this.

I don't think a long way to go would be accurate. The main building block is there with ownership and as soon as players like Roy, Stafford and Gaustad are gone, the true building of this team will continue. Ownership, goalie, defense, Vanek, Pomm and Leino is what they have to build around (whether fans like it or not). The rest can be dumped, traded or whatever.....

[apuszczalowski]

CallawaySabres, on 14 February 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

I can understand why not being a center would lend to pause as Buffalo has needed one for years now. Still, you can't overlook it alltogether as Nash is elite talent. Would Buffalo be on his list? If he wanted a contender this year, obviously not. If he was looking at going to an organization with solid ownership and the will to eventually get that Cup - maybe. Toronto has been looking for that elite power forward ever since Burke got there so I betcha they make a great offer......

But what can Toronto give up to get him? They would have to give up more then the 2 first rounders they gave to Boston for Kessel, I could see CBJ looking for Kessel, a 1st and possible Schen and/or Kadri to be willing to give up Nash to Toronto. Toronto doesn't have too many top tier prospects to give up

Buffalo might be an attractive place for him, its close to Ontario where he is from, adding him could help push them into the playoffs this year and then who knows, and they have some young guys and picks that could be sent to Columbus to make the deal. Problem is that I don't think Darcy has ever pulled off a blockbuster deal like this ever in his lifetime

CallawaySabres, on 14 February 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

I don't think a long way to go would be accurate. The main building block is there with ownership and as soon as players like Roy, Stafford and Gaustad are gone, the true building of this team will continue. Ownership, goalie, defense, Vanek, Pomm and Leino is what they have to build around (whether fans like it or not). The rest can be dumped, traded or whatever.....

I don't think gaustad deserves to be in that group of guys that need to be gone to succeed. I would replace him with someone like Boyes

[shrader]

He won't go anywhere until after the season is over. There are way too many pieces involved in that kind of deal. That's a lot of money to take on, and on top of it all, Nash has to agree to anything. If he had been available about a month ago, maybe, but there's not enough time for this one.

[apuszczalowski]

shrader, on 14 February 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

He won't go anywhere until after the season is over. There are way too many pieces involved in that kind of deal. That's a lot of money to take on, and on top of it all, Nash has to agree to anything. If he had been available about a month ago, maybe, but there's not enough time for this one.

Theres plenty of time
Just depends on how badly you want him, and weither you can offer a deal that will make the Blue jackets front office feel like they can move him

[shrader]

apuszczalowski, on 14 February 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Theres plenty of time
Just depends on how badly you want him, and weither you can offer a deal that will make the Blue jackets front office feel like they can move him

And if the team who makes the offer is actually someone Nash wants to play for. He has a no movement clause. He can drive that ship the same exact way Hasek did.

[LTS]

I'm waiting to see what the injury to Tuomo Ruutu was last night. That certainly impacts the market if it's something that keeps him out more than 2 weeks. If he was being shopped as reports said he was then teams will be forced to look down the list a bit... could be beneficial.

I think any trade for Nash will be monumental and I think CBJ can pull it off. They've been perennial cellar dwellers and sometimes you just have to make a move. Depending on what comes back it could work out just fine.

I can only imagine the list of teams he would consider moving to and those teams being in a position to move enough back to CBJ.

[CallawaySabres]

apuszczalowski, on 14 February 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

But what can Toronto give up to get him? They would have to give up more then the 2 first rounders they gave to Boston for Kessel, I could see CBJ looking for Kessel, a 1st and possible Schen and/or Kadri to be willing to give up Nash to Toronto. Toronto doesn't have too many top tier prospects to give up

Buffalo might be an attractive place for him, its close to Ontario where he is from, adding him could help push them into the playoffs this year and then who knows, and they have some young guys and picks that could be sent to Columbus to make the deal. Problem is that I don't think Darcy has ever pulled off a blockbuster deal like this ever in his lifetime

I don't think gaustad deserves to be in that group of guys that need to be gone to succeed. I would replace him with someone like Boyes

Boyes is gone after this year anyway and the reason I put Gaustad in there is because he decided to finally show up recently for 3 games in the past 3 years. Where the Hell has that been hiding? I'll tell you where - the same place as Stafford's contract year illusion.

[TrueBluePhD]

As I said in the buyers or sellers thread, I'm simply not interested in Nash or his contract. I know I'll probably be in the minority, but I just can't see us putting together the type of package that would make sense for Columbus and for us. Does having $15 mil tied up in 2 wingers make sense for us? We already can't properly use Vanek, let alone 2 Vaneks. It's the same reason I was never really interested in Bobby Ryan. It's not that I wouldn't love Nash or Ryan on the team, it's that when you add up what we would have to send packing in addition to salary cap implications and our need at center, I just don't see that type of move getting us a whole lot closer to the Cup. To make a football analogy...it would be awesome to have Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson, but if you're QB is Kevin Kolb, you're still not winning anything.

[Lanny]

apuszczalowski, on 14 February 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

But what can Toronto give up to get him? They would have to give up more then the 2 first rounders they gave to Boston for Kessel, I could see CBJ looking for Kessel, a 1st and possible Schen and/or Kadri to be willing to give up Nash to Toronto. Toronto doesn't have too many top tier prospects to give up

Kessel is likely as good as Nash, younger than Nash, and costs less. You're probably looking at something involving Schenn, Kadri and picks if I had to guess. Maybe more who knows, depends on how many teams are involved I suppose.

As for the Sabres, it'd have to start with Ennis wouldn't it?

Edited by Lanny, 14 February 2012 - 01:15 PM.

[Koomkie]

spndnchz, on 13 February 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

We had one last year. Looking through that thread there was much more movement sooner last year.

Try and keep the rumors out. Opinions on Nash type news welcomed...

thanks for doing this.
someone had posted that they dont want nash , they would rather have a center.
i can understand that...but nash IS legit. this guy on a real team, could be amazing. he is not just a top
six forward. people were talking about how they would love to see vanek on detroit...well i feel like nash on the sabres would
create that sort of tops in the nhl line. unsure of who the center would be for them, but i would love to see those two guys up front.

[Eleven]

spndnchz, on 13 February 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

We had one last year. Looking through that thread there was much more movement sooner last year.

Try and keep the rumors out. Opinions on Nash type news welcomed...

Works best when there is a companion rumor thread. I'll start one.

[Sabres Fan In NS]

Eleven, on 14 February 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Works best when there is a companion rumor thread. I'll start one.

Is that not what the Around the NHL thread is for?

[Touched by Boyes]

CallawaySabres, on 14 February 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

I don't think a long way to go would be accurate. The main building block is there with ownership and as soon as players like Roy, Stafford and Gaustad are gone, the true building of this team will continue. Ownership, goalie, defense, Vanek, Pomm and Leino is what they have to build around (whether fans like it or not). The rest can be dumped, traded or whatever.....

What I was inferring from "long way to go" was that we are not yet at a franchise level that we can have star players waive their NMC clauses to come here. That is reserved for big market teams and perennial winners (see: Detroit, New York, Chicago etc.)

shrader, on 14 February 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

And if the team who makes the offer is actually someone Nash wants to play for. He has a no movement clause. He can drive that ship the same exact way Hasek did.

This is what a lot of posters are missing. Nash is in charge here. Even if we offer everyone on the roster for him, if he doesn't want to come here he vetos and doesn't waive his NMC. He's only getting traded to a select list of teams.

[TrueBluePhD]

Touched by Boyes, on 14 February 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

What I was inferring from "long way to go" was that we are not yet at a franchise level that we can have star players waive their NMC clauses to come here. That is reserved for big market teams and perennial winners (see: Detroit, New York, Chicago etc.)


This is what a lot of posters are missing. Nash is in charge here. Even if we offer everyone on the roster for him, if he doesn't want to come here he vetos and doesn't waive his NMC. He's only getting traded to a select list of teams.

I generally agree, however, we don't know what Nash is looking for in where he goes. He's not asking out of Columbus, it isn't like he's run to Howson and demanded a trade to a contender. He said he'd be willing to waive his no trade clause if Columbus wants him to, to help the franchise long term. He seems like a genuinely loyal guy who wants to help build a winner, not just be a hired gun. The dreadful Sabres season may be prohibitive, but on the other hand if he's really happy in Columbus I think Buffalo has a lot of qualities which would appeal to him.

[nfreeman]

cvanvol, on 14 February 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

eh

maybe if he was a center

apuszczalowski, on 14 February 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Your kidding, right?

I certainly hope so.

Touched by Boyes, on 14 February 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

If Nash does get moved, that would be a huge acquisition for whoever gets him. This isn't some aging veteran at the twilight of his career. This guy is an elite talent that goes unnoticed because he plays for the worst team in a sh!t market. He's still got plenty of years of elite production left.

Columbus would lose it's entire identity if they lost Nash. They would have to build their team around... Carter?

100% agree.

Touched by Boyes, on 14 February 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

I don't think Buffalo makes the list of teams he would waive his NMC for, especially given the poor season we have had this year. We still have a long way to go to even be in consideration for moves like this.

CallawaySabres, on 14 February 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

I don't think a long way to go would be accurate. The main building block is there with ownership and as soon as players like Roy, Stafford and Gaustad are gone, the true building of this team will continue. Ownership, goalie, defense, Vanek, Pomm and Leino is what they have to build around (whether fans like it or not). The rest can be dumped, traded or whatever.....

While pre-TP I would have agreed that there would have been NFW that Nash (or anyone else) would waive a NTC to come here, I can definitely see it happening now. First of all, it's already happened with Regehr (and pretty much the same thing happened with Ehrhoff and Leino too in that they had their choice of quite a few suitors and chose the Sabres). It's a lot easier to be the 4th guy to do something than the 1st guy.

Second, while many here are down on Lindy and/or Miller, I think those 2 have very good reputations around the league. Coach and goaltending are probably the 2 most important hockey factors for a guy in Nash's position to consider. Nash also knows both of them from the Olympics. Third, the Sabres have obviously been a big disappointment this season, but no one would seriously question TP's commitment to winning and having a strong franchise. He's been throwing money at the situation and is a passionate fan.

My bottom line is that with TP on the scene, I think the Sabres have a pretty good shot at just about anyone they want.

apuszczalowski, on 14 February 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

But what can Toronto give up to get him? They would have to give up more then the 2 first rounders they gave to Boston for Kessel, I could see CBJ looking for Kessel, a 1st and possible Schen and/or Kadri to be willing to give up Nash to Toronto. Toronto doesn't have too many top tier prospects to give up

I agree -- the Leafs don't have the assets. I frankly don't think Kessel, a 1st and Schenn or Kadri is nearly enough for Nash.

shrader, on 14 February 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

He won't go anywhere until after the season is over. There are way too many pieces involved in that kind of deal. That's a lot of money to take on, and on top of it all, Nash has to agree to anything. If he had been available about a month ago, maybe, but there's not enough time for this one.

I don't agree with this. Major stars are indeed traded at the deadline, and not that infrequently. Nash isn't a bigger name than Kovy, for example (although he's a better player, IMHO).

TrueBluePhD, on 14 February 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

As I said in the buyers or sellers thread, I'm simply not interested in Nash or his contract. I know I'll probably be in the minority, but I just can't see us putting together the type of package that would make sense for Columbus and for us. Does having $15 mil tied up in 2 wingers make sense for us? We already can't properly use Vanek, let alone 2 Vaneks. It's the same reason I was never really interested in Bobby Ryan. It's not that I wouldn't love Nash or Ryan on the team, it's that when you add up what we would have to send packing in addition to salary cap implications and our need at center, I just don't see that type of move getting us a whole lot closer to the Cup. To make a football analogy...it would be awesome to have Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson, but if you're QB is Kevin Kolb, you're still not winning anything.

Nash is much, much better than Vanek or Ryan. If you have the opportunity to add a guy like Nash, you make room on your roster.

If the Sabres #1 line next year was Ennis-Nash-Vanek -- that would be a very competitive #1 line.

Lanny, on 14 February 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

Kessel is likely as good as Nash, younger than Nash, and costs less. You're probably looking at something involving Schenn, Kadri and picks if I had to guess. Maybe more who knows, depends on how many teams are involved I suppose.

As for the Sabres, it'd have to start with Ennis wouldn't it?

Kessel is nowhere near as good as Nash.

And while a Sabres package could include Ennis, I would expect CBJ to demand Myers or Miller as the centerpiece.

Finally: this is a pretty good thread so far, but I can feel it coming...

[shrader]

Touched by Boyes, on 14 February 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

Columbus would lose it's entire identity if they lost Nash. They would have to build their team around... Carter?

That's very true. But at the same time, what exactly is that identity? They can't be viewed any lower than they already are.

nfreeman, on 14 February 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

I don't agree with this. Major stars are indeed traded at the deadline, and not that infrequently. Nash isn't a bigger name than Kovy, for example (although he's a better player, IMHO).

Kovalchuk had been on the block nearly the entire season and was moved a couple weeks before the deadline. This one has been dropped on us nearly last second. They won't find anything.

[Touched by Boyes]

nfreeman, on 14 February 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

While pre-TP I would have agreed that there would have been NFW that Nash (or anyone else) would waive a NTC to come here, I can definitely see it happening now. First of all, it's already happened with Regehr (and pretty much the same thing happened with Ehrhoff and Leino too in that they had their choice of quite a few suitors and chose the Sabres). It's a lot easier to be the 4th guy to do something than the 1st guy.

Second, while many here are down on Lindy and/or Miller, I think those 2 have very good reputations around the league. Coach and goaltending are probably the 2 most important hockey factors for a guy in Nash's position to consider. Nash also knows both of them from the Olympics. Third, the Sabres have obviously been a big disappointment this season, but no one would seriously question TP's commitment to winning and having a strong franchise. He's been throwing money at the situation and is a passionate fan.

My bottom line is that with TP on the scene, I think the Sabres have a pretty good shot at just about anyone they want.

I don't agree with this. Major stars are indeed traded at the deadline, and not that infrequently. Nash isn't a bigger name than Kovy, for example (although he's a better player, IMHO).
And while a Sabres package could include Ennis, I would expect CBJ to demand Myers or Miller as the centerpiece.

I snipped some of the post to save space, but I wanted to comment on your responses.

While I do agree to a certain extent that TP was/is a game changer in terms of bringing in higher level FA's, won't a guy like Nash take into account that while TP was able to convince Regher to come to Buffalo, from an outsider's perspective that appears to have been a lateral move for him at best. It would take quite a bit of effort to convince a guy like Nash, who has been a perennial cellar-dweller in Columbus to come to a comparably ###### team here.

If you were in his shoes would you really chose Buffalo over a Detroit or Toronto? If Columbus trades him it will be for a good price regardless so we would really have to overpay with prospects/players to get him. and then even then he may say no with his NMC - although I don't peg him as a selfish type that would hurt Columbus by preventing a trade.

The Miller and Ruff factor is something I hadn't considered and is certainly interesting. However, it is pure speculation on both of our parts as to whether Nash likes or respects either of those guys to make it a factor.

[Koomkie]

nfreeman, on 14 February 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

I certainly hope so.



100% agree.




While pre-TP I would have agreed that there would have been NFW that Nash (or anyone else) would waive a NTC to come here, I can definitely see it happening now. First of all, it's already happened with Regehr (and pretty much the same thing happened with Ehrhoff and Leino too in that they had their choice of quite a few suitors and chose the Sabres). It's a lot easier to be the 4th guy to do something than the 1st guy.

Second, while many here are down on Lindy and/or Miller, I think those 2 have very good reputations around the league. Coach and goaltending are probably the 2 most important hockey factors for a guy in Nash's position to consider. Nash also knows both of them from the Olympics. Third, the Sabres have obviously been a big disappointment this season, but no one would seriously question TP's commitment to winning and having a strong franchise. He's been throwing money at the situation and is a passionate fan.

My bottom line is that with TP on the scene, I think the Sabres have a pretty good shot at just about anyone they want.



I agree -- the Leafs don't have the assets. I frankly don't think Kessel, a 1st and Schenn or Kadri is nearly enough for Nash.



I don't agree with this. Major stars are indeed traded at the deadline, and not that infrequently. Nash isn't a bigger name than Kovy, for example (although he's a better player, IMHO).



Nash is much, much better than Vanek or Ryan. If you have the opportunity to add a guy like Nash, you make room on your roster.

If the Sabres #1 line next year was Ennis-Nash-Vanek -- that would be a very competitive #1 line.



Kessel is nowhere near as good as Nash.

And while a Sabres package could include Ennis, I would expect CBJ to demand Myers or Miller as the centerpiece.

Finally: this is a pretty good thread so far, but I can feel it coming...

really good post.
i like what you had said about the appeal of having solid coaching, goaltending, and of course dedicated ownership.

i don't know if we can compare his trade timetable to kovys because he was on his way to being a FA and they wanted to make sure they got something for him. nash is signed for a few more years so they can really sit on it and get the best deal.
so it is kind of a bummer because we wont be able to use pegulas money as a direct incentive for nash by giving him big signing bonuses and such, but hopefully nash will be able to realize that t. pegs will spend that money on players to help.
i think if we have finishers like nash and vanek on the same line you may not need an elite #1 center...i think a competent center can easily get the job done with those two guys on the wing. also think of our powerplay!
i think ennis could be wasted on that line just because of his incredible speed, but i could be wrong because his ability to hold onto the puck would be great and may allow time for them to get open. i think moving leino back to center or having pommers be the center would honestly be an interesting experiment. leino seems to be picking up his game finally and he is crafty, while pommers has been playing a lot of center and i think could really make some great plays with these guys.

last, i don't think that miller will be a centerpiece, although i would be fine if it is...columbus is definitely trying to get younger if they get rid of nash so i don't feel miller will make sense. myers will of course (in which case i would not trade him) but i think we could still put together a good package, mainly filled with solid blue line prospects and a couple forwards (stafford, gerbe) and picks.
have no clue exactly what they want but i would think enroth would be a real nice piece for them. mason is a joke.

another thing...if we are keeping miller and not trading him, our window of winning a cup with him is getting shorter and shorter...nash improves this team tremendously right now and would gives us a nice chance in the NEXT couple years.

[FolignosJock]

apuszczalowski, on 14 February 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Your kidding, right?

I am really not... what do we have to give up for him? Vanek or Myers is what I would guess and he isnt having that great of a year. We have a top line LW, we could use another sure but who cares if they dont have a center? The pieces needed to give up for him are needed to get us a center. I like Nash he is a good player but I find it funny if the people here that dont feel that vanek is elite, think that nash is elite...

[ROCBuffalo]

If Buffalo lived to the expectation of this year, then yes, we would have been a even greater team by this trade deadline cause people would want to come.

[FolignosJock]

TrueBluePhD, on 14 February 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

As I said in the buyers or sellers thread, I'm simply not interested in Nash or his contract. I know I'll probably be in the minority, but I just can't see us putting together the type of package that would make sense for Columbus and for us. Does having $15 mil tied up in 2 wingers make sense for us? We already can't properly use Vanek, let alone 2 Vaneks. It's the same reason I was never really interested in Bobby Ryan. It's not that I wouldn't love Nash or Ryan on the team, it's that when you add up what we would have to send packing in addition to salary cap implications and our need at center, I just don't see that type of move getting us a whole lot closer to the Cup. To make a football analogy...it would be awesome to have Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson, but if you're QB is Kevin Kolb, you're still not winning anything.

THIS

I totally agee and maybe I am the only one on this thread that doesnt think Nash is all that. He doesnt hit like he should at his size and he is good on the puck but I really dont think he is that great defensively either... I have always felt like he was bad in his zone and looking at his career -74 is pretty astounding. I dont think Rick Nash helps this team.

if we want a big guy then go after david backes not nash

[That Aud Smell]

nfreeman, on 14 February 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

If the Sabres #1 line next year was Ennis-Nash-Vanek -- that would be a very competitive #1 line.

where's the fapping emoticon?

cvanvol, on 14 February 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

I like Nash he is a good player but I find it funny if the people here that dont feel that vanek is elite, think that nash is elite...

this is not unfair (so it's fair, i guess). looking at their raw #s, they have comparable PPG #'s (not the end-all be-all stat, i know).

EDIT: that PPG # is ~.81-.82.

Edited by That Aud Smell, 14 February 2012 - 03:15 PM.

[Koomkie]

cvanvol, on 14 February 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

I am really not... what do we have to give up for him? Vanek or Myers is what I would guess and he isnt having that great of a year. We have a top line LW, we could use another sure but who cares if they dont have a center? The pieces needed to give up for him are needed to get us a center. I like Nash he is a good player but I find it funny if the people here that dont feel that vanek is elite, think that nash is elite...

nash is a rw

[FolignosJock]

That Aud Smell, on 14 February 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

where's the fapping emoticon?





this is not unfair (so it's fair, i guess). looking at their raw #s, they have comparable PPG #'s (not the end-all be-all stat, i know).

EDIT: that PPG # is ~.81-.82.

EXACTLY and Vanek is a +36

Nash reminds me of stafford and if he was on my team I would hate him just like i do stafford

Koomkie, on 14 February 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

nash is a rw

Saw him listed as going both ways

[Koomkie]

cvanvol, on 14 February 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

EXACTLY and Vanek is a +36

Nash reminds me of stafford and if he was on my team I would hate him just like i do stafford



Saw him listed as going both ways

he he he he nice

[LabattBlue]

If I am Columbus, I move Nash in the off-season, not at the deadline. There are only so many buyers at the deadline, versus in the off-season when cap space goes up as contracts go off the books, and all teams are looking to make moves.

[That Aud Smell]

cvanvol, on 14 February 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

Nash reminds me of stafford and if he was on my team I would hate him just like i do stafford

(i thought it was fair to equate nash with vanek ... but stafford?!)

[FolignosJock]

That Aud Smell, on 14 February 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

(i thought it was fair to equate nash with vanek ... but stafford?!)

Production yes


I just think he is a guy with size who doesnt use it enough I guess that does not a stafford make but it is my main problem with him

[shrader]

LabattBlue, on 14 February 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

If I am Columbus, I move Nash in the off-season, not at the deadline. There are only so many buyers at the deadline, versus in the off-season when cap space goes up as contracts go off the books, and all teams are looking to make moves.

Not to mention that in the offseason they have so much more time to convince him that going to team X isn't such a bad choice after all. With this short of a window and a short list of teams he's willing to move to, they're going to get screwed over if they make the deal now.

[sizzlemeister]

OMG! Which thread is the right thread? I'm so confused...