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#1 deluca67

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 07:14 PM

I know it's a concept that makes fans cringe. But it just may me the only reasonable option to turning this franchise around so they can actually compete for a Stanley Cup. They have a goalie, a stud defense-man and a legit goal scorer in Vanek. So it doesn't needed to be completely leveled to the ground. It does need a major renovation. The "core" with the exception Vanek needs to be replaced. Unless Butler and Sekera can somehow turn it around you may have to replace five of the six defense-man on the team. Myers is the only one worth keeping around.

We know there are no major free agent signings coming. There may be a small trade made more as a gesture than anything significant to improve the team. So I am suggesting a huge salary dump. Connolly, Pominvill, Hect, Roy and Gaustad can all be moved. Basically anyone with a contract beyond next season needs to be gone. You sign Myers long term. Vanek? If a deal can be done I wouldn't say no. Let Miller take this team again as far as he can and go into next off-season with enough cap space to completely restructure the "top six" and "the core."

If the goal is to win a Stanley Cup than radical changes need to be made. A token move here and there this off-season will not move this team any closer to winning a Stanley Cup. That just not be a goal it should be the only goal.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 09:23 PM

One thing to keep in mind with your mini-rant there. They can't sign Myers until this time next year.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 09:30 PM

One thing to keep in mind with your mini-rant there. They can't sign Myers until this time next year.

Even better, clear out the wasted cap space and make sure it gets done.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 09:34 PM

Feel better?

They said that they are keeping Regier, so that's not going to happen. It will be amazing if he makes even three notable moves.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 09:38 PM

Feel better?

They said that they are keeping Regier, so that's not going to happen. It will be amazing if he makes even three notable moves.

Three? One would be a friggin shock.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 10:23 PM

They need to SUCK for about 3 years in a row so they can get a top-2 draft pick for 3 years in a row. That's how Washington and Pittsburgh did it. Heck, Chicago, too. Screw it, I'm in.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 10:39 PM

You guys do realize they won the division this year, don't you?

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 10:42 PM

You guys do realize they won the division this year, don't you?

That gave me a pretty good chuckle. Thanks for that.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 11:03 PM

You guys do realize they won the division this year, don't you?


But don't you see? This is clearly a rudderless ship headed in the wrong direction. We must rant endlessly because that's what we do around here.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 11:13 PM

But don't you see? This is clearly a rudderless ship headed in the wrong direction. We must rant endlessly because that's what we do around here.

Obviously you don't believe that. So, who do you bring in? If there was no concern for the cap or if the team they came from didn't care if they got anything in return, who's your guy. If it's only a tweek then who do you bring in that will change the culture and play of the current Sabres roster.

The only person I can see doing it is Crosby. OV - no. Malkin - no. Drury - um,..no. Who is it?

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 11:28 PM

Obviously you don't believe that. So, who do you bring in? If there was no concern for the cap or if the team they came from didn't care if they got anything in return, who's your guy. If it's only a tweek then who do you bring in that will change the culture and play of the current Sabres roster.

The only person I can see doing it is Crosby. OV - no. Malkin - no. Drury - um,..no. Who is it?


I don't have a name but if Malkin and OV were available, either one of them would do it. All this team needs is a true #1 line and they'd be as good as anyone in the East. Give them a stud d-man and assume Myers progresses and they be as good as any team in the league and that's only two or three moves, albeit huge moves.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 08:15 AM

I don't have a name but if Malkin and OV were available, either one of them would do it. All this team needs is a true #1 line and they'd be as good as anyone in the East. Give them a stud d-man and assume Myers progresses and they be as good as any team in the league and that's only two or three moves, albeit huge moves.

They need 5 top six forwards and 5 defensemen. Yep, they are right on the cusp of greatness.

I take it you stopped watching the playoffs. There is no way anyone still watching the playoffs could think the Sabres are capable of playing at the level the teams still alive are.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 08:17 AM

But don't you see? This is clearly a rudderless ship headed in the wrong direction. We must rant endlessly because that's what we do around here.

Where are they going? They aren't moving forward. If Miller has anything less than a Vezina type season next year they go from a meaningless division title back to 10th place.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 09:10 AM

You guys do realize they won the division this year, don't you?


"You guys do realize they won the division this year, don't you?"

is the new

"You guys do realize Lindy took the Sabres to four conference finals, don't you?"

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 09:39 AM

"You guys do realize they won the division this year, don't you?"

is the new

"You guys do realize Lindy took the Sabres to four conference finals, don't you?"

How far a way are we from a Larry Quinn spreadsheet showing that the Sabres won the the division.

Honestly, with the year Miller had winning the division should have been the least of their accomplishments not their crowning glory.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 09:43 AM

"You guys do realize they won the division this year, don't you?"

is the new

"You guys do realize Lindy took the Sabres to four conference finals, don't you?"



And the point is the same. If management makes the one or two moves needed, this team will contend for the Cup. This team has a lot of the pieces in place and to suggest that they need to start all over is ridiculous.
The same people that said Drury and Briere would never win a Cup together so it was alright to let them go still don't understand that building a Cup contender is a process and most of the teams that win get to that point after a couple of playoff disappointments.
Look at the Red Wings before they started their run of dominance. The team needed to be tweaked after 06/07 and that's all it needs now.
And it isn't easy. There are about ten teams looking for the same thing. A number 1 center and either a shut down d-man or a power play stud.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 11:23 AM

And the point is the same. If management makes the one or two moves needed, this team will contend for the Cup. This team has a lot of the pieces in place and to suggest that they need to start all over is ridiculous.
The same people that said Drury and Briere would never win a Cup together so it was alright to let them go still don't understand that building a Cup contender is a process and most of the teams that win get to that point after a couple of playoff disappointments.
Look at the Red Wings before they started their run of dominance. The team needed to be tweaked after 06/07 and that's all it needs now.
And it isn't easy. There are about ten teams looking for the same thing. A number 1 center and either a shut down d-man or a power play stud.

What do any of us really think the chances are of him actually making those one or two moves. Even in the past when he did make those moves (Drury, Briere) he didn't even know it at the time. Briere was an under-performer and Drury was the fifth line center (He only started in Col. because Yelle got injured). I guess I just have to hold out hope that he gets lucky again.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 11:31 AM

I'm with Deluca on this. Mainly because I just don't like most of the players on this team anymore. I've gone sour hearing their names.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 11:54 AM

I'm with Deluca on this. Mainly because I just don't like most of the players on this team anymore. I've gone sour hearing their names.


This.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 12:55 PM

This.

Careful. The last time two people agreed with me in the same thread the server crashed.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 01:33 PM

at least a few of our players are chumps (the pigeons) and to me everyone is expendable but the biggest seat we have to fill is an owner who knows something and is passionate about hockey, a new GM and coach. If you're going to blow it up, blow it up real good! :censored:

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 02:03 PM

at least a few of our players are chumps (the pigeons) and to me everyone is expendable but the biggest seat we have to fill is an owner who knows something and is passionate about hockey, a new GM and coach. If you're going to blow it up, blow it up real good! :censored:

Great reference.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 02:49 PM

What do any of us really think the chances are of him actually making those one or two moves. Even in the past when he did make those moves (Drury, Briere) he didn't even know it at the time. Briere was an under-performer and Drury was the fifth line center (He only started in Col. because Yelle got injured). I guess I just have to hold out hope that he gets lucky again.

neither one of them wre underperformes when we got them, briere had 32 goals the year before he came to buffalo and drury was always a great 2 way player who could chip in some points. if you wanna say they got better in buffalo thats fine, but neither one of them were undrperformers when we got them.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 03:16 PM

What do any of us really think the chances are of him actually making those one or two moves. Even in the past when he did make those moves (Drury, Briere) he didn't even know it at the time. Briere was an under-performer and Drury was the fifth line center (He only started in Col. because Yelle got injured). I guess I just have to hold out hope that he gets lucky again.



Drury was not the fifth line center when the Sabres acquired him from Calgary. Briere was a typical case of a bad franchise giving up on a player after one down year.
He will make at least two changes this year. Whether they are changes we want is yet to be determined.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 04:09 PM

Careful. The last time two people agreed with me in the same thread the server crashed.


Server crashed? ######, I'm more worried about how the space/time continuum is going to react, I got a feeling this might just be what Doc Brown warned Marty about.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 04:25 PM

Server crashed? ######, I'm more worried about how the space/time continuum is going to react, I got a feeling this might just be what Doc Brown warned Marty about.

LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 07:05 PM

Careful. The last time two people agreed with me in the same thread the server crashed.

Bring it.

Server crashed? ######, I'm more worried about how the space/time continuum is going to react, I got a feeling this might just be what Doc Brown warned Marty about.


Not to worry I have a spare flux capacitor and we can always go back and re-do.

Wait that's already happening with Regier and Ruff every year, like ground hog day, I hear Sonny and Cher right now singing I got you babe!

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 07:34 PM

If you're going to blow it up, make sure you take the decision makers out. Because the Sabres will always be soft, undreachieving girliemen as long as Darcy and Quinn are around.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 08:32 PM

You guys do realize they won the division this year, don't you?


And where'd that get us, Tom?

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 08:34 PM

They need 5 top six forwards and 5 defensemen. Yep, they are right on the cusp of greatness.

I take it you stopped watching the playoffs. There is no way anyone still watching the playoffs could think the Sabres are capable of playing at the level the teams still alive are.


FLYERS TOP 6

Gagne, Briere, Richards, Carter, Hartnell, Leino.

No way the Sabres compete with that.

Edit - And I forgot budding Superstar Giroux.

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 11:12 PM

And where'd that get us, Tom?


Further than the last two years.

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 03:44 AM

But don't you see? This is clearly a rudderless ship headed in the wrong direction. We must rant endlessly because that's what we do around here.

I know, right? Buncha communists. Why can't you just take what they give you and like it, you know?

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 07:43 AM

FLYERS TOP 6

Gagne, Briere, Richards, Carter, Hartnell, Leino.

No way the Sabres compete with that.

Edit - And I forgot budding Superstar Giroux.



Hartnell and Leino are exactly the point. They are top 6 forwards because Philly has true top 2 forwards. Roy, Pominville and Hecht are a very good 2nd line if your first line is Vanek, Marleau and Enis, assuming Enis is the real deal and Vanek or him can adjust to playing right wing (also not a given). How about this forward line up?

Vanek - Marleau - Hemsky
Hecht - Roy - Pominville
Ennis - Kennedy - Grier
Gerbe/Kassian/??- Gaustad- Kaletta

I hate fantasy trades so I am not saying that they will get these guys but the point is 2 additions make them a formidable forward group and to suggest that they need to blow it up is as I said before ridiculous.

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 07:50 AM

As much as Roy fails as a first line centre, he could be a very good second line players. Add a centre with true 1st line quality and the picture gets a lot better for the Sabres.

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 08:11 AM

Further than the last two years.


Not really.

Playoff series wins:

07-08 -- 0

08-09 -- 0

09-10 -- 0

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 08:32 AM

Hartnell and Leino are exactly the point. They are top 6 forwards because Philly has true top 2 forwards. Roy, Pominville and Hecht are a very good 2nd line if your first line is Vanek, Marleau and Enis, assuming Enis is the real deal and Vanek or him can adjust to playing right wing (also not a given). How about this forward line up?

Vanek - Marleau - Hemsky
Hecht - Roy - Pominville
Ennis - Kennedy - Grier
Gerbe/Kassian/??- Gaustad- Kaletta

I hate fantasy trades so I am not saying that they will get these guys but the point is 2 additions make them a formidable forward group and to suggest that they need to blow it up is as I said before ridiculous.

When the hysterical masses are at the gates, frothing at the mouth with the "blow the team up" hysteria, it's good to know there are still a few resolute grownups left to hold the fort.

Regarding Marleau: he's the guy they need. 6'2, 220, not too old at 30, and a true #1 center who plays 21 minutes per game and has scored about 32-48-80 every year since the lockout. There haven't been many guys who have become available, either in trade or free agency, who are that good and that well-suited to what the Sabres need. He's one of them. He'll probably cost something like $7MM per year x 5 years. If the Sabres can dump TC or Pommer, they will be most of the way towards freeing up that amount of cash. Let's see if they get into the mix.

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 08:40 AM

Not really.

Playoff series wins:

07-08 -- 0

08-09 -- 0

09-10 -- 0


Do I even have to bother with this one?

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 08:42 AM

Do I even have to bother with this one?


No, you can go on sabbatical with Eleven if you like.

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 08:44 AM

Don't think they really need to blow it up...Find a way to get Marleau or another Center and add another Dman to the mix (a-b level guy). I'm not a GM so that is their job to figure it out....does not sound too difficult with some pieces to give away

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 08:46 AM

No, you can go on sabbatical with Eleven if you like.


But I have way too much free time. I'll just have to continue to deal with your senile ramblings for now, old man.