[gregkash]

With the Sabres = 211 goals, 444 points in 381 games played.
NHL Totals = 473 goals, 1032 Points, in 990 Games Played.
This includes of course a franchise record 76 goal season.
He is 11th all time on the Sabres scoring charts, despite having played 122 games less than the closest person in the top 10.
He was a +44 overall, and should be noted he is 4th all time on the Sabres for PP goals. Again with A LOT fewer games played then the leaders (Andreychuck, Perreault and Martin).

Even more important than those numbers is the importance of Mogilny to the NHL as it is today. He is the first soviet player to defect, first Russian All-Star, First European player to become a captain. He ushered in a new era to the NHL.

My vote is yes. His totals with the Sabres aren't staggering, but he is a future Hall of Famer and a pioneer in this league.. He is an unforgettable icon of the blue and gold and his number deserves to be in blue and gold for eternity.

He hasn't officially retired yet, but I have a feeling that's coming soon, and I think it would be prudent by the Sabres to send his number to the rafters.

But I am but one man, what say you?

[carpandean]

That 1992-93 season, alone, makes it worth talking about. One shy of a goal-per-game!? I still find it amazing that he played in the AHL in part of 2005-06.

It's tough when a player's career is split over two or three teams. He will definitely be a HOFer, but I don't know about retiring his number here. Probably will happen, though, as the standards don't seem that high.

[SwampD]

If he meant that much to the NHL, then they should retire it. The Sabres shouldn't have to do it for them. Carp's right, either the standards for it have lowered or my idea of what it means to have a number retired was too lofty to begin with.

[Eleven]

SwampD, on 09 February 2010 - 08:29 AM, said:

If he meant that much to the NHL, then they should retire it. The Sabres shouldn't have to do it for them. Carp's right, either the standards for it have lowered or my idea of what it means to have a number retired was too lofty to begin with.

The standards have lowered. 16 and 18 never should have been retired. One can make an argument about 7 and 14, too, although I think the right move was made there.

[LabattBlue]

I'm a broken record on this, but who cares...

2 & 11 should be retired, with 39 soon to follow. That's it! Nobody else is even close.

[PASabreFan]

LabattBlue, on 09 February 2010 - 10:54 AM, said:

I'm a broken record on this, but who cares...

2 & 11 should be retired, with 39 soon to follow. That's it! Nobody else is even close.

:thumbsup:

[Sabretip]

gregkash, on 09 February 2010 - 04:29 AM, said:

With the Sabres = 211 goals, 444 points in 381 games played.
NHL Totals = 473 goals, 1032 Points, in 990 Games Played.
This includes of course a franchise record 76 goal season.
He is 11th all time on the Sabres scoring charts, despite having played 122 games less than the closest person in the top 10.
He was a +44 overall, and should be noted he is 4th all time on the Sabres for PP goals. Again with A LOT fewer games played then the leaders (Andreychuck, Perreault and Martin).

Even more important than those numbers is the importance of Mogilny to the NHL as it is today. He is the first soviet player to defect, first Russian All-Star, First European player to become a captain. He ushered in a new era to the NHL.

My vote is yes. His totals with the Sabres aren't staggering, but he is a future Hall of Famer and a pioneer in this league.. He is an unforgettable icon of the blue and gold and his number deserves to be in blue and gold for eternity.

He hasn't officially retired yet, but I have a feeling that's coming soon, and I think it would be prudent by the Sabres to send his number to the rafters.

But I am but one man, what say you?

There were few more exciting duos than when Mogilny and LaFontaine were in their prime but, really, if you subtract Mogilny's '92-'93 season (76-51-127 in 77 GP) from the totals, his overall numbers in Buffalo (135-182-317 in 304 GP) aren't significant enough to warrant a jersey retirement. Certainly, in the pecking order of Sabre history, players like Hasek, Ramsey, Schoenfeld and Housley deserve more consideration than Mogilny IMO.

[PASabreFan]

Let's not forget the Sabres have a Hall of Fame (whose ranks will swell tonight with the induction of Jim Lorentz and Joe Crozier). The Sabres media guide says this is the highest honor that can be bestowed upon a Sabre. Schoenfeld, Ramsey and Housley are already in it.

Retiring a number should be reserved for the elite of the elite.

By the way, why can't they put the names of the Sabres Hall of Fame players somewhere in the arena -- maybe on the wall that separates the 100 and 200 sections?

[nfreeman]

LabattBlue, on 09 February 2010 - 10:54 AM, said:

I'm a broken record on this, but who cares...

2 & 11 should be retired, with 39 soon to follow. That's it! Nobody else is even close.

PASabreFan, on 09 February 2010 - 11:02 AM, said:

:thumbsup:

No Rico? My heart is breaking.

Sabretip, on 09 February 2010 - 11:58 AM, said:

There were few more exciting duos than when Mogilny and LaFontaine were in their prime but, really, if you subtract Mogilny's '92-'93 season (76-51-127 in 77 GP) from the totals, his overall numbers in Buffalo (135-182-317 in 304 GP) aren't significant enough to warrant a jersey retirement. Certainly, in the pecking order of Sabre history, players like Hasek, Ramsey, Schoenfeld and Housley deserve more consideration than Mogilny IMO.

+1

[shrader]

LabattBlue, on 09 February 2010 - 10:54 AM, said:

I'm a broken record on this, but who cares...

2 & 11 should be retired, with 39 soon to follow. That's it! Nobody else is even close.

Honestly, I'd question #2 being up there while we're at it. And while we're mentioning banners, they do still have the Knox brothers up there, right? Those ones should always be mentioned before 11 and 39.

[Trey]

I was a fan of Mogilny from day one. The impact of bringing him to the league can be seen on every team in the NHL now. He was also one of the most exciting players to watch in his prime. However, as most people have noted, retiring a jersey is for the best of the best and he just didn't sustain his '92-'93 numbers through his career like a candidate for jersey retirement should have.

#39 on the other hand needs to be retired ASAP

[Crosschecking]

Trey, on 09 February 2010 - 12:34 PM, said:

I was a fan of Mogilny from day one. The impact of bringing him to the league can be seen on every team in the NHL now. He was also one of the most exciting players to watch in his prime. However, as most people have noted, retiring a jersey is for the best of the best and he just didn't sustain his '92-'93 numbers through his career like a candidate for jersey retirement should have.

#39 on the other hand needs to be retired ASAP

Oh, there's no doubt about that whatsoever! If it wasn't for Hasek, there might have been a few season where we would have been the ultimate bottom-feeders.

[LabattBlue]

PASabreFan, on 09 February 2010 - 12:16 PM, said:

By the way, why can't they put the names of the Sabres Hall of Fame players somewhere in the arena -- maybe on the wall that separates the 100 and 200 sections?

The area where the Adelphia Zone used to be on the 100 level(somewhere around sections 107-108) would have been perfect as a starter location, but money talks and they turned it into another concession area. The area where Sabretooth's house used to be, could also be considered as they are just using it for merchandising, but once again money talks and Quinn would probably shoot down this idea.

[LabattBlue]

shrader, on 09 February 2010 - 12:45 PM, said:

Honestly, I'd question #2 being up there while we're at it. And while we're mentioning banners, they do still have the Knox brothers up there, right? Those ones should always be mentioned before 11 and 39.

Horton had his number retired due to extenuating circumstances. Instead of a long drawn out debate, I'l just say that I think it was the right thing to do.

[Eleven]

PASabreFan, on 09 February 2010 - 12:16 PM, said:

Let's not forget the Sabres have a Hall of Fame (whose ranks will swell tonight with the induction of Jim Lorentz and Joe Crozier). The Sabres media guide says this is the highest honor that can be bestowed upon a Sabre. Schoenfeld, Ramsey and Housley are already in it.

Retiring a number should be reserved for the elite of the elite.

By the way, why can't they put the names of the Sabres Hall of Fame players somewhere in the arena -- maybe on the wall that separates the 100 and 200 sections?

Is there not a list near the entrance to the Sabres Store? Thought there was; could very well be mistaken.

[LabattBlue]

Eleven, on 09 February 2010 - 03:33 PM, said:

Is there not a list near the entrance to the Sabres Store? Thought there was; could very well be mistaken.

That is some cobbed together Buffalo Sports HoF if I remember correctly. Decent thought, poor effort. :thumbdown:

[Crosschecking]

LabattBlue, on 09 February 2010 - 01:04 PM, said:

Horton had his number retired due to extenuating circumstances. Instead of a long drawn out debate, I'l just say that I think it was the right thing to do.

Yup! It sure was...

[Lethbridge Broncos]

No. He was a flash in the pan. Half of his goals came in one season. He was a playoff dud for the Sabres. IF they honro him, they should honor TOm BArasso.

[gregkash]

I'm surprised although I don't think I should be. To me what it takes to hang from the rafters is someone you can't identify the franchise without thinking about. I think a lot of you feel like it had to be upper echelon greatness. I see your point but I think hanging from the rafters is a team identity thing.

I think to my generation Alexander Mogilny along with LaFontaine are two of the heroes we grew up watching.

[shrader]

LabattBlue, on 09 February 2010 - 02:04 PM, said:

Horton had his number retired due to extenuating circumstances. Instead of a long drawn out debate, I'l just say that I think it was the right thing to do.

Yeah, I'm not looking for a long argument either, but with what is known now about those circumstances, I really wonder about that banner being up there.